Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

The government cannot and must not tell Harvard which professors to hire or what those professors can teach.

Exactly. And they don't need government money. Hire all the leftists they want, and do it on their own.

Pro tip: Just because you are a far right extremist doesn’t mean that people to the left of you are leftists.

Pro tip: Don't make assumptions with limited knowledge. I have two relatives who were professors at Harvard, I'm a moderate who voted for Harris, and I can't stand Trump.

Sure, this sounds very real.

Not everone is a blind sheep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Harvard required DEI statements from all faculty members.

That isn’t critical thinking, it is textbook indoctrination.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

I'm sure nothing President Trump does is justified, according to you.

IDC
IDGAF

Your party needed a wake up call based on the systemic racism, violence, lawfare and random social justice they were practicing.

Everything democrats whine/whined about was an admission of their own behavior.

Get used to it. More coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

I am sure they used to. If conservative political views now include the destruction of the University, who knows? Hard to show convincing interest in attending Harvard when you want to destroy Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

I am sure they used to. If conservative political views now include the destruction of the University, who knows? Hard to show convincing interest in attending Harvard when you want to destroy Harvard.

For tat least the last 25 years, Harvard has been a haven for professors and students with extreme leftist viewpoints and beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Harvard required DEI statements from all faculty members.

That isn’t critical thinking, it is textbook indoctrination.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

DP.

Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

I am sure they used to. If conservative political views now include the destruction of the University, who knows? Hard to show convincing interest in attending Harvard when you want to destroy Harvard.

For tat least the last 25 years, Harvard has been a haven for professors and students with extreme leftist viewpoints and beliefs.

And it graduated die hard conservatives every year as well that seemed to want to apply and attend along with any leftists that seemed to want to apply and attend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

I'm sure nothing President Trump does is justified, according to you.

IDC
IDGAF

Your party needed a wake up call based on the systemic racism, violence, lawfare and random social justice they were practicing.

Everything democrats whine/whined about was an admission of their own behavior.

Get used to it. More coming.

My party? Did you miss the part where I identified myself as an independent?

Nice crazy person rant, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Harvard required DEI statements from all faculty members.

That isn’t critical thinking, it is textbook indoctrination.

First, note the past tense you used. That has been gone for a year.

Second, a bunch of people on this thread are saying Harvard needs more diversity!

The problem is that you have jumped onto Trump's bandwagon of claiming that diversity means something bad.

Harvard's view was and is that a diversity of views and opinions strengthens scholarship.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/03/us/harvard-diversity-statements.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

DP...yes, viewpoints of all stripes are welcome generally, but messages of hate, like a lot of the MAGAs currently espouse. Hate for gay people, hate for trans people, hate for black people, hate for Jews, etc is not welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

DP.

Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

So students at Harvard feel uncomfortable speaking up and saying they support the person and party that would like to basically end Harvard. Gee, who would have imagined that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

I am sure they used to. If conservative political views now include the destruction of the University, who knows? Hard to show convincing interest in attending Harvard when you want to destroy Harvard.

For tat least the last 25 years, Harvard has been a haven for professors and students with extreme leftist viewpoints and beliefs.

dp. IF that’s true, then the same could be said about the vast majority of universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!

Of course they do. Maybe more classic conservatives than Trump 'conservatives' (given that it's a pretty anti-intellectual take).

Someone gave a whole list above of conservatives who went to Harvard (eg, Elise Stefanik). And most graduates -- the males at least -- of HBS are conservative.

DP.

Not quite true. Most Harvard students feel quite uncomfortable expressing contrary political views. Especially true for moderate and conservative students.

“ While 41 percent of liberal students reported feeling comfortable discussing controversial topics, only 25 percent of moderates and 17 percent of conservatives felt similarly.”

Moreover, “ Slightly more than a quarter of the class of 2024 respondents said they only like to engage socially with people who share their political beliefs. Only 29 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed with that statement.”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/2/10/survey-results-controversial-opinions/

So students at Harvard feel uncomfortable speaking up and saying they support the person and party that would like to basically end Harvard. Gee, who would have imagined that?

I question your assumption that this is a new phenomenon.