Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

[Anonymous]

A trainer I worked with says when people start eating closer to a 40-30-30 ratio of protein, fat, and carbs, they almost always improve their bloodwork to where they’re no longer pre-diabetic. If you can’t truly be low carb, try moderate carb, it might be effective enough to get the health benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity will be cured/treatable in our lifetime. Eli Lilly’s got a new drug coming out in 2024 that is twice as effective as the one that just hit the market (Mounjaro). Really wild stuff. So worry not, fat-shamers, you won’t have to look at the fatties that much longer. Not sure how you’ll feed your superiority complex then, but that’s not my business.

Oooh really any articles?

NP

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-we-know-about-eli-lillys-experimental-weight-loss-drug

'Experts say the findings are interesting but it likely will not be a silver bullet to end obesity."

Fat people need to stop overeating. Drugs are not the answer.

Wow that’s some real wisdom you dropped. I bet no overweight or obese person has ever ate less or dieted before.

This should read "has ever eaten less" or "ever ate less" your grammar sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

That sounds a lot like what Gary Taubes wrote in "Why We Get Fat."

Also similar to Jason Fung. Both of whom previous posters have dismissed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

DP. I was glad to read the WaPo article which confirms my personal experience (posted on another thread). I’ve been eating around 1000 calories a day without feeling hungry by cutting out all carbs except only enough high fiber/lo carb foods to get about 25-40 grams of fiber. I combine that with high protein and it has totally minimized my appetite. I lost 15 pounds and do not have any cravings or real hunger. Before starting this diet, I ate everything and would be insatiably hungry even when I had already eaten a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

DP. I was glad to read the WaPo article which confirms my personal experience (posted on another thread). I’ve been eating around 1000 calories a day without feeling hungry by cutting out all carbs except only enough high fiber/lo carb foods to get about 25-40 grams of fiber. I combine that with high protein and it has totally minimized my appetite. I lost 15 pounds and do not have any cravings or real hunger. Before starting this diet, I ate everything and would be insatiably hungry even when I had already eaten a lot.

What are some examples of the high fiber low carb foods you are eating?

How old are you? Male or female?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

No, it isn't all carbs - we've known for years that different types of carbs affect our blood sugar in different ways (see the glycemic index). The theory here is that certain carbs - including most highly processed foods - are what messes with insulin and other hormones. And then of *everything* you eat, more is stored as fat than is necessary. And once those hormones are out of whack, they may never go back, which is why all carbs cause you to gain weight. But its only certain carbs that trigger the changes to begin with.

Good point. I would add that the other culprit in highly processed carbs are the fake highly processed seed oils. The way they are created is toxic and they are toxic to our bodies. Soybean and canola oil in particular and they are in everything processed even whole wheat bread. I think it will come out in the near future that these toxic oils are really messing with our hormones too. Think about it- the oils created to give food longer shelf life is not hurting our bodies???

Think back to the 60's and 70's and long before when these highly processed foods weren't everywhere, there was not this much obesity. And people did not exercise as much as they do today! It's so much more than people not having control.

And yes, too much sugar and fructose is a big problem.

BUT I'd also add that in past generations when animal fats like butter and lard were more prevalent and we ate a balanced diet including meat, vegetables, starches like potatoes and fruits we were healthier too. And going too low fat in addition to creating these toxic oils was the perfect storm. But I'm sure that will make most people's heads here explode.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A trainer I worked with says when people start eating closer to a 40-30-30 ratio of protein, fat, and carbs, they almost always improve their bloodwork to where they’re no longer pre-diabetic. If you can’t truly be low carb, try moderate carb, it might be effective enough to get the health benefits.

A close relative of mine lost 50 lbs eating a controlled amount of lean protein and veggies (barely a complex carb in sight) and reversed her pre-diabetes diagnosis completely. And looked amazing.

[Anonymous]

It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

[Anonymous]

Having once been morbidly obese things I learned -
in reality, most people who are morbidly obese actually would need to eat fewer than 1000 cal a day to lose weight. They move so incredibly little bc it hurts so much that they burn off such a teeny amount. It's hard to accept and even harder to do

therapy won't necessarily make a person stop eating or control it; eating is a habit and habits are just hard to stop

what most get wrong - for very overweight people - it just has to be diet; don't people to exercise or work out. They can do that later on once they have lost significant weight; it's too tiring and leads to more hunger which leads to more eating

being morbidly obese effects your body and overall health in ways that people who have never been there just don't realize and can't understand and it's why doctors focus on it. It can be something that seems so simple such as a rash fold of the skin that gets out of control that then leads to infection and dead skin. That's just one. Thera are so many more besides the standard diabetes and high blood pressure. This happens far more than people realize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

No, it isn't all carbs - we've known for years that different types of carbs affect our blood sugar in different ways (see the glycemic index). The theory here is that certain carbs - including most highly processed foods - are what messes with insulin and other hormones. And then of *everything* you eat, more is stored as fat than is necessary. And once those hormones are out of whack, they may never go back, which is why all carbs cause you to gain weight. But its only certain carbs that trigger the changes to begin with.

Good point. I would add that the other culprit in highly processed carbs are the fake highly processed seed oils. The way they are created is toxic and they are toxic to our bodies. Soybean and canola oil in particular and they are in everything processed even whole wheat bread. I think it will come out in the near future that these toxic oils are really messing with our hormones too. Think about it- the oils created to give food longer shelf life is not hurting our bodies???

Think back to the 60's and 70's and long before when these highly processed foods weren't everywhere, there was not this much obesity. And people did not exercise as much as they do today! It's so much more than people not having control.

And yes, too much sugar and fructose is a big problem.

BUT I'd also add that in past generations when animal fats like butter and lard were more prevalent and we ate a balanced diet including meat, vegetables, starches like potatoes and fruits we were healthier too. And going too low fat in addition to creating these toxic oils was the perfect storm. But I'm sure that will make most people's heads here explode.

Lifespans were lower then, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

All cakes are highly processed.

[Anonymous]

Yes, most people can lose weight by limiting carbs, but it is just not sustainable for the vast majority of us. Most cultures have a bread product that their populace finds essential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

No, it isn't all carbs - we've known for years that different types of carbs affect our blood sugar in different ways (see the glycemic index). The theory here is that certain carbs - including most highly processed foods - are what messes with insulin and other hormones. And then of *everything* you eat, more is stored as fat than is necessary. And once those hormones are out of whack, they may never go back, which is why all carbs cause you to gain weight. But its only certain carbs that trigger the changes to begin with.

Good point. I would add that the other culprit in highly processed carbs are the fake highly processed seed oils. The way they are created is toxic and they are toxic to our bodies. Soybean and canola oil in particular and they are in everything processed even whole wheat bread. I think it will come out in the near future that these toxic oils are really messing with our hormones too. Think about it- the oils created to give food longer shelf life is not hurting our bodies???

Think back to the 60's and 70's and long before when these highly processed foods weren't everywhere, there was not this much obesity. And people did not exercise as much as they do today! It's so much more than people not having control.

And yes, too much sugar and fructose is a big problem.

BUT I'd also add that in past generations when animal fats like butter and lard were more prevalent and we ate a balanced diet including meat, vegetables, starches like potatoes and fruits we were healthier too. And going too low fat in addition to creating these toxic oils was the perfect storm. But I'm sure that will make most people's heads here explode.

Lifespans were lower then, too.

Nah. The blue zones, the longest lived people, eat lots of carbs and oils - but the right oils. They also eat lots of fiber, and overall low calorie and/or low calorie density diet.