FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:I think the RIO people feel a deep-seated sense of insecurity, since they could only afford to buy a house in Herndon, but their kids go to school with much wealthier people who could afford to buy near Oakton. That makes them act crazy if they sense their desperate grip on the bottom of the social climbing ladder is being loosened.

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Gosh, you all finally figured it out! We’re all insecure and that’s exactly what’s driving us to speak up on behalf of our kids.

It is mind-boggling the assumptions people make on this thread simply because they have a different perspective than constituents who have made their opinions known.

Sincerely,
A “poor” Oakton HS parent from Herndon

Fellow "poor" here. I agree that the insecurity thing is a weird take. But I also think the behavior from some parents has been pretty gross. There's a whole "Skyview isn't good enough for my kid, but it's fine for your kid" thing going on in 20171. I get that some people really love Oakton, and that some people want to go Skyview in order to avoid South Lakes and Westfield. Great. But there are all the people at Oak Hill who probably wish they could stay at Chantilly, and you don't hear them whining nearly as much. Meanwhile they have to hear about how terrible Skyview will be from their pro-Oakton neighbors. It's insensitive at best.

Ironically, there are people in the actual rich neighborhoods whose kids go to Navy and live closer to Oakton (therefore not on any Skyview maps), who wish they would have been rezoned for Skyview.

Crossfield parent here who has largely stayed out of the drama, outside of writing letters to people with my personal (pro-Skyview) opinion. It's interesting because almost everyone I've talked to about it has said they would prefer to send their kids to Skyview, but no one has stood up in a meeting and said it out loud (including me, because I am not comfortable with speaking up in meetings). This leads me to wonder how much of the pro-Oakton stuff is driven by peer pressure and is socially-motivated. It's almost like all the adults are in high school themselves!

Yes. But how many people on here have signed up to have their name on a DCUM post? It's kind of normal to want to fly under the radar but still express your opinion. Avoids confrontation.

This leads me to wonder how many people secretly wanted to stay at Oakton but didn’t want to tell you due to your differing opinion so they agreed with you verbally but their actions did not.

It's certainly possible, but some of them have initiated the conversation, so I don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there is a huge difference psychologically between a school always having around 2000 students, and a school losing 800 students within a year or two, and with all the staff turnover that comes with that.

And losing all the electives and APs....

They are not going to be "losing all the electives and AP."

For sure they will be a losing a lot of them. Going from 2800 to 2000 students and *increasing* FARMs percentage (which seems likely given they are losing some UMC/MC areas but mostly gaining low income areas) is not a recipe for increasing academic options.

I used to work in HS scheduling for another district. There is no way, with FCPS staffing formulas, that a school in this situation won't be losing a LOT of elective and AP classes/sections.

2000 is not a small high school. They are also losing a lot of FARMS kids. Certainly, they are also losing some MC, but very few UMC. Also losing a lot of English learners.

2000 is a very small high school for FCPS.

This is what the 2025-26 enrollments would look like under the two latest scenarios. I don't disagree that reducing the enrollment at Westfield to near 2100 would be a cultural change for the school, but a school with 2000 students would not be that much of an outlier as there are already some smaller schools and others will be losing kids based on the 2026 boundary adjustments (county-wide and Skyview-related).

Scenario 1:

Lake Braddock 2922
West Springfield 2848
Oakton 2589
West Potomac 2558
Robinson 2549
Woodson 2471
Langley 2416
Fairfax 2344
Chantilly 2305
Madison 2227
Edison 2197
Justice 2147
Hayfield 2139
TJHSST 2125
McLean 2123
Centreville 2119
Westfield 2083
Herndon 2061
Marshall 2045
South County 2042
Falls Church 2035
South Lakes 2033
Annandale 2002
Skyview 1900
Mount Vernon 1788
Lewis 1537


Scenario 2:

Lake Braddock 2922
West Springfield 2848
Oakton 2721
West Potomac 2558
Robinson 2549
Woodson 2471
Langley 2416
Chantilly 2358
Fairfax 2344
Madison 2227
Edison 2197
Justice 2147
Hayfield 2139
TJHSST 2125
McLean 2123
Centreville 2119
Westfield 2083
Herndon 2061
Marshall 2045
South County 2042
Falls Church 2035
Annandale 2002
South Lakes 1984
Mount Vernon 1788
Skyview 1760
Lewis 1537

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Anonymous wrote:I think there is a huge difference psychologically between a school always having around 2000 students, and a school losing 800 students within a year or two, and with all the staff turnover that comes with that.

And losing all the electives and APs....

They are not going to be "losing all the electives and AP."

For sure they will be a losing a lot of them. Going from 2800 to 2000 students and *increasing* FARMs percentage (which seems likely given they are losing some UMC/MC areas but mostly gaining low income areas) is not a recipe for increasing academic options.

I used to work in HS scheduling for another district. There is no way, with FCPS staffing formulas, that a school in this situation won't be losing a LOT of elective and AP classes/sections.

2000 is not a small high school. They are also losing a lot of FARMS kids. Certainly, they are also losing some MC, but very few UMC. Also losing a lot of English learners.

2000 is a very small high school for FCPS.

This is what the 2025-26 enrollments would look like under the two latest scenarios. I don't disagree that reducing the enrollment at Westfield to near 2100 would be a cultural change for the school, but a school with 2000 students would not be that much of an outlier as there are already some smaller schools and others will be losing kids based on the 2026 boundary adjustments (county-wide and Skyview-related).

Scenario 1:

Lake Braddock 2922
West Springfield 2848
Oakton 2589
West Potomac 2558
Robinson 2549
Woodson 2471
Langley 2416
Fairfax 2344
Chantilly 2305
Madison 2227
Edison 2197
Justice 2147
Hayfield 2139
TJHSST 2125
McLean 2123
Centreville 2119
Westfield 2083
Herndon 2061
Marshall 2045
South County 2042
Falls Church 2035
South Lakes 2033
Annandale 2002
Skyview 1900
Mount Vernon 1788
Lewis 1537


Scenario 2:

Lake Braddock 2922
West Springfield 2848
Oakton 2721
West Potomac 2558
Robinson 2549
Woodson 2471
Langley 2416
Chantilly 2358
Fairfax 2344
Madison 2227
Edison 2197
Justice 2147
Hayfield 2139
TJHSST 2125
McLean 2123
Centreville 2119
Westfield 2083
Herndon 2061
Marshall 2045
South County 2042
Falls Church 2035
Annandale 2002
South Lakes 1984
Mount Vernon 1788
Skyview 1760
Lewis 1537

It's not about the number of students. It's about what the reduction in students coupled with the demographics shifts will do to programing access.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there is a huge difference psychologically between a school always having around 2000 students, and a school losing 800 students within a year or two, and with all the staff turnover that comes with that.

And losing all the electives and APs....

They are not going to be "losing all the electives and AP."

For sure they will be a losing a lot of them. Going from 2800 to 2000 students and *increasing* FARMs percentage (which seems likely given they are losing some UMC/MC areas but mostly gaining low income areas) is not a recipe for increasing academic options.

I used to work in HS scheduling for another district. There is no way, with FCPS staffing formulas, that a school in this situation won't be losing a LOT of elective and AP classes/sections.

2000 is not a small high school. They are also losing a lot of FARMS kids. Certainly, they are also losing some MC, but very few UMC. Also losing a lot of English learners.

2000 is a very small high school for FCPS.

This is what the 2025-26 enrollments would look like under the two latest scenarios. I don't disagree that reducing the enrollment at Westfield to near 2100 would be a cultural change for the school, but a school with 2000 students would not be that much of an outlier as there are already some smaller schools and others will be losing kids based on the 2026 boundary adjustments (county-wide and Skyview-related).

Scenario 1:

Lake Braddock 2922
West Springfield 2848
Oakton 2589
West Potomac 2558
Robinson 2549
Woodson 2471
Langley 2416
Fairfax 2344
Chantilly 2305
Madison 2227
Edison 2197
Justice 2147
Hayfield 2139
TJHSST 2125
McLean 2123
Centreville 2119
Westfield 2083
Herndon 2061
Marshall 2045
South County 2042
Falls Church 2035
South Lakes 2033
Annandale 2002
Skyview 1900
Mount Vernon 1788
Lewis 1537


Scenario 2:

Lake Braddock 2922
West Springfield 2848
Oakton 2721
West Potomac 2558
Robinson 2549
Woodson 2471
Langley 2416
Chantilly 2358
Fairfax 2344
Madison 2227
Edison 2197
Justice 2147
Hayfield 2139
TJHSST 2125
McLean 2123
Centreville 2119
Westfield 2083
Herndon 2061
Marshall 2045
South County 2042
Falls Church 2035
Annandale 2002
South Lakes 1984
Mount Vernon 1788
Skyview 1760
Lewis 1537

It's not about the number of students. It's about what the reduction in students coupled with the demographics shifts will do to programing access.

I was responding to a post that only referred to the size of a school.

[Anonymous]

As well as losing a third of their teachers and staff in such a short time frame. I can't think of any other fcps school that had a similar situation.

[Anonymous]

They should send the contiguous part of BRES to Westfield and NOT the Trinity Parkway island (that should be reassigned to Centre Ridge or Powell, if Powell switches the Korean Immersion Program over to another school).

The Fairfax island could be dissolved by sending Willow Springs (main portion and island) and Eagle View to Centreville and the Fairfax part of Greenbriar East to Chantilly, and remove the Union Mill Split feeder by moving the Robinson part to Centreville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As well as losing a third of their teachers and staff in such a short time frame. I can't think of any other fcps school that had a similar situation.

Just doing the math, it looks like they'd be reducing the enrollment at Westfield by about 24% over the next few years, so it's an exaggeration to think they'd lose a full 1/3 of the teachers and staff. It seems like 1/4 would be more accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should send the contiguous part of BRES to Westfield and NOT the Trinity Parkway island (that should be reassigned to Centre Ridge or Powell, if Powell switches the Korean Immersion Program over to another school).

The Fairfax island could be dissolved by sending Willow Springs (main portion and island) and Eagle View to Centreville and the Fairfax part of Greenbriar East to Chantilly, and remove the Union Mill Split feeder by moving the Robinson part to Centreville.

I like that idea despite how complex it sounds.

[Anonymous]

In the McDaniel town hall yesterday - did they tell if we are going to have one final map or again end with 2 scenarios? FCPS email is very confusing. It alludes to one final map but also indicates there may be 2 maps. Since the boundary feedback is closing today, I was hoping the townhall provided some clarity on what can we expect since it was so close to the boundary feedback end date.

Thank you in advance from a momma who is trying to piece together relevant information

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the McDaniel town hall yesterday - did they tell if we are going to have one final map or again end with 2 scenarios? FCPS email is very confusing. It alludes to one final map but also indicates there may be 2 maps. Since the boundary feedback is closing today, I was hoping the townhall provided some clarity on what can we expect since it was so close to the boundary feedback end date.

Thank you in advance from a momma who is trying to piece together relevant information

I think somebody asked that question. Marty didn't give a straight answer but it sounded like one final map is a default answer.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought I heard McDaniel say he supports children attending schools within walking distance. Under Scenario 1, Franklin/Skyview, we are within walking distance to Franklin MS. Is McDaniel in favor of making kids go to Carson MS instead of attending Franklin MS?

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Oak Hill parents on the call were BEGGING him to move kids in your neighborhood from Franklin to Carson, so you'd better organize your neighbors and get your voices heard if you don't want that to happen.

Yes. Pretty sure they were Frankllin Farm parents of kids who go to Oak Hill. People seem to think Franklin Farm is only Crossfield and Navy.

Right, Franklin Farm HOA has always been split into East and West with Fairfax County Pkwy running north/south.
East: (think Crossfield ES) Crossfield/Oakton challenges (Scenario 2 seems most popular, splits western Franklin Farm at Franklin Farm Rd.)
West: (think Oak Hill ES) Split in half vs. staying together (Scenario 1 - Keeps kids together, seems most popular, splits eastern Franklin Farm)

Western Franklin Farm has only asked to move the boundary line in Scenario 2 to avoid splitting it in half, and then East/West (seemingly) keeps most kids together.

Meaning:
1. Move the boundary from Franklin Farm Rd south. To Lees Corner Rd/Thompson Rd - West Franklin Farm goes to Carson/Skyview
2. Move the boundary north to the HOA boundary at Chantilly Highlands, West Franklin Farm goes to Franklin, MS (but this could create another split feeder)

You're wrong about the bolded. The split only includes one street from Franklin Farm. The rest are all separate small neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a theory Crossfield as a collective wanted to go to Skyview at purchase, but the RIO faction became a thing when Michelle Reid proposed making Skyview an Aviation/AI/Robotics academy with it being close to Dulles and some data centers popping up near the school.

I would imagine RIO is mostly made up of middle class White and Northeast Asian parents who want their kids at Oakton, which may have less Hispanic, Black, and Middle Eastern Kids than Skyview.

This may not be about Athletics and Home Values, but Race, Socioeconomics, and possibly Religion.

You're just figuring this out?

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Anonymous wrote:Meren is sending out the same letter to people, a bunch of us got the same thing.

She opposes micro-split feeders, mentions this connected to Crossfield and it's new feeder pattern.
She opposes the Fox Mill move because it will "further decrease under-enrolled membership"

SLHS is at 98% capacity, even at 85% capacity it is not under enrolled. The issue is that they don't have enough students taking IB, is my guess. That is not FMES fault, nor is it FMES problem.

Isn't she a little big late to express her opinion publicly? I feel she went easy and avoided conflict before the last version came out, which had fmes in both versions. And now, she is say cheap words hopefully to reduce blames from slhs parents. She should really push to fix IB in slhs if that's one of the main complaints of slhs.

If we are going off of the McDaniel phone call yesterday which stated only tweaks would be made to the final scenario, keeping FMES at SLHS would be a major change.

yes. Meren played this wrong. Once the purchase was done, she should have lobbied for Crossfield to go to Skyview. It would have been easy and effective. But, she never jumped on to support this school.

She should have jumped on Option A. She should have convinced Dixit that was the way to go and Dixit likely would have supported it. Instead, she allowed RIO to take charge--and I bet a lot of those who signed the petition for Crossfield to stay at Oakton were Fox Mill parents--knowing it helped their lobbying to go to Skyview.

She completely ignores that 30 or so percent of Crossfield is in her district. Everything north of Folkstone/West Ox is Hunter Mill, including Crossfield itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will be more than 800 empty seats, because once Westfield reaches a tipping point with too high a FARMs percentage and not enough advanced classes, all the zoned families will use FCPS transfer mechanisms to get their kids in Centreville, Skyview, Chantilly, etc, or send their kids to private.

A functioning school system would have taken the information that no one wanted to be rezoned to Westfield as a sign that the school needs some attention and improvement. FCPS decided to just go ahead and try to make it worse.

You forget that Coates and McNair - two very high FARMS schools - are being zoned out of Westfield.

[Anonymous]

Shouldn’t Karl Frisch and Sandy Anderson be involved as their schools have the potential to be impacted.