Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

Would really like to know what pyramid and age kids some of the posters here have.

[Anonymous]

Has to be Lewis parents with higher achieving kids that are complaining about Scenario 4.

Transfer! Lewis won’t get fixed in your children’s timeline. Attack the problem differently.

[Anonymous]

So will this all actually start next school year? And will they let people grandfather in?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only people pissed off on this thread in the south-central part of the county are people already zoned for Lewis who wanted WSHS neighborhoods rezoned so they could feel better about themselves.

They were never taking kids out of WS to Lewis. That was a delulu proposal. Even taking them out to South County would be a little difficult since SC MS/HS are smaller and there is still development happening in Lorton. You potentially trade one over capacity school for another. Might as well just move the trailers a few exits down 95 from WS to SC at that point.

The idea that they're moving kids out of Lewis and over to WSHS is insane. They move the neighborhoods over near Sangster to LBSS to close the split feeder which makes sense, although some families over there are clearly upset about it. But it doesn't make sense to add more neighborhoods into WSHS when it's as overcrowded as they claim it is.

There's only a minuscule number of kids switching from Lewis to WSHS. There's nothing "insane" about it.

It’s going to balloon in number when people stay in that neighborhood for K-12 instead of moving when their kids hit 7th, or finding a transfer loophole to another school, or when they stop lying about their address. The same thing happened with Daventry a few years ago. Oh well! FCPS definitely should have known this based on previous experience! So no crying foul when the population of WSHS goes up 50-100 over time.

[Anonymous]

Based on the message around reducing bus ride to Oakton wonder if Crossfield kids will get rezoned to KAA as well? Or SLHS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only people pissed off on this thread in the south-central part of the county are people already zoned for Lewis who wanted WSHS neighborhoods rezoned so they could feel better about themselves.

They were never taking kids out of WS to Lewis. That was a delulu proposal. Even taking them out to South County would be a little difficult since SC MS/HS are smaller and there is still development happening in Lorton. You potentially trade one over capacity school for another. Might as well just move the trailers a few exits down 95 from WS to SC at that point.

The idea that they're moving kids out of Lewis and over to WSHS is insane. They move the neighborhoods over near Sangster to LBSS to close the split feeder which makes sense, although some families over there are clearly upset about it. But it doesn't make sense to add more neighborhoods into WSHS when it's as overcrowded as they claim it is.

There's only a minuscule number of kids switching from Lewis to WSHS. There's nothing "insane" about it.

Moving any kids out of Lewis without replacing them with an equal or greater number of kids is the definition of insanity.

If that's the best they can do, they should just go ahead and close Lewis now.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the TL- McLean families got their way. Now they can go back to not caring about the Title 1 families now that they have used them to get wheat they want.

Give it 5 years and Timber Lane will not be Title I anymore.

I'm not so sure about that.

If you look at Scenario 4 for Timber Lane, they are proposing to move some of the low-income areas now at TL north of Route 29 to Shrevewood (while keeping them at McLean, so Shrevewood becomes a new split feeder to Marshall and McLean), BUT the Timber Lane area south of Route 29 would now be a new attendance island that is very high FARMS (Kingsley Commons). Graham Road, not Timber Lane, is the school that will see its FARMS rate decline.

Exactly. Graham Road will be largely SFHs. Kingsley Commons is getting screwed. The better route would be to keep all the boundaries the way they currently are and send the Jefferson Village/Pine Spring attendance island to Timber Lane. That way Shrevewood isn’t a split feeder and Kingsley Commons has better access to their school.

Shrevewood was overcrowded for years but between AAP and demographic changes it has had one of the biggest reductions in enrollment. And then there’s the impending Dunn Loring changes.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the TL- McLean families got their way. Now they can go back to not caring about the Title 1 families now that they have used them to get wheat they want.

Give it 5 years and Timber Lane will not be Title I anymore.

I'm not so sure about that.

If you look at Scenario 4 for Timber Lane, they are proposing to move some of the low-income areas now at TL north of Route 29 to Shrevewood (while keeping them at McLean, so Shrevewood becomes a new split feeder to Marshall and McLean), BUT the Timber Lane area south of Route 29 would now be a new attendance island that is very high FARMS (Kingsley Commons). Graham Road, not Timber Lane, is the school that will see its FARMS rate decline.

Exactly. Graham Road will be largely SFHs. Kingsley Commons is getting screwed. The better route would be to keep all the boundaries the way they currently are and send the Jefferson Village/Pine Spring attendance island to Timber Lane. That way Shrevewood isn’t a split feeder and Kingsley Commons has better access to their school.

Shrevewood was overcrowded for years but between AAP and demographic changes it has had one of the biggest reductions in enrollment. And then there’s the impending Dunn Loring changes.

Shrevewood capacity isn’t the issue, it’s the fact that it’s becoming a split feeder. It’s a lesser issue to Kingsley Commons becoming an attendance island forced to cross Rt-29 to get to Timber Lane. That’s the big problem they’re creating with both scenarios 3 and 4.

[Anonymous]

Looking at the western boundaries - it's pretty clear to me that they are making some moves in anticipation of the new (KAA) high school, namely:

1. Moving some from Centreville to Westfield so they can shift Floris/Coates/McNair to KAA

2. Moving some from Fairfax to Chantilly so they can move Oak Hill and maybe some of Lees Corner to KAA

3. Moving some from Fairfax to Oakton so they can move Crossfield to KAA

I'm not sure what the end goal is in moving Emerald Chase to South Lakes unless it's so that they can move Floris from South Lakes to KAA. It's silly though because Emerald Chase is very close to KAA.

[Anonymous]

Nothing was done about Greenbriar East split feeder. Obviously not all community comments were considered.

[Anonymous]

Here is what I think is going on with Lewis.

The county cannot officially make Lewis an ESL school (that would be illegal), but through their actions they seem to be pushing it that way.

They slightly shrank the boundaries with this latest map. This could reduce the population further (on track to be around 1450 in a couple of years). Remember, in both 2005 and 2015 the boundaries of Lewis (Lee) were made smaller and the enrollment fell from over 2100 to its current 1539.

At Lewis they stick with a woefully underperforming IB program and have shrunk the language choices to a minimum. They put in a STEM program at Edison next door. All of this allows (and incentivizes) families who live within the Lewis boundaries to pupil place to other schools. These are typically families with more resources that can provide their own transportation and likely get more education support at home.

The end effect is Lewis having more high-needs students and fewer advanced students. This theoretically allows the county to focus on high-needs students while more advanced students transfer to different schools to access more advanced courses. They must think this will make the job for Lewis administrators and teachers easier. The problem is that right now they don’t appear to be getting those high-needs students to perform very well (only so much a school can do without proper influence from the home), and it is doing a disservice to advanced students who have to stay at Lewis (fewer advanced courses, fewer instances of those courses).

If they had addressed this 10-15 years ago they may have been able to avert Lewis from becoming a pariah. At this point Lewis is so far down the high ESL / high poverty line that the thought of moving any students to Lewis is seen as cataclysmic. I think all of this explains why no students are being moved to Lewis.

[Anonymous]

They should have moved more kids from Fairfax to Chantilly which would have addressed the split feeder issues.

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the western boundaries - it's pretty clear to me that they are making some moves in anticipation of the new (KAA) high school, namely:

1. Moving some from Centreville to Westfield so they can shift Floris/Coates/McNair to KAA

2. Moving some from Fairfax to Chantilly so they can move Oak Hill and maybe some of Lees Corner to KAA

3. Moving some from Fairfax to Oakton so they can move Crossfield to KAA

I'm not sure what the end goal is in moving Emerald Chase to South Lakes unless it's so that they can move Floris from South Lakes to KAA. It's silly though because Emerald Chase is very close to KAA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Glad they realized moving the Navy island across the parkway to Oak Hill was a mistake, but not sure why they didn't put it in Crossfield with the rest of Franklin Farm.

Those Navy families strongly advocated to stay at Navy, they are NOT interested in Crossfield at all, but I agree it's stupid because they are still an attendance island. I thought for sure they would put them in Crossfield and move the Fox Mill Woods families to Hunters Woods.

[Anonymous]

I don't think there is space to move Crossfield to KAA - think they'll likely be at SLHS

[Anonymous]

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