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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

Chantilly and Centreville are currently over 750+ students over capacity. Herndon’s 375 seats isn’t going to fix this.

Apologies, that was including the modulars. Centreville and Chantilly combined are 1200+ students over capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

Chantilly and Centreville are currently over 750+ students over capacity. Herndon’s 375 seats isn’t going to fix this.

Apologies, that was including the modulars. Centreville and Chantilly combined are 1200+ students over capacity.

So you’re saying because they can’t completely alleviate that they should instead give up and not do anything?

Yeah, I don’t think they’re going to listen to that advice.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

That’s not “students demanding relief.” That’s a School Board claiming to act on behalf of students whether or not the students and their families have themselves sought boundary changes.

Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcapacity, and literally nothing you have said has refuted that fact. The students should not be crammed into modulars- the school board says it is not safe.

Again, if you don’t want to be redistricted, take it up with your rep.

No one disputes that Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcrowded high schools measured by enrollment last year relative to program capacity, excluding modulars.

However, you haven’t established that students at those schools are asking to be redistricted; the schools to which you proposed to send them (Westfield and South Lakes are themselves big and don’t have much extra capacity; and there is a plan for expanding Centreville, with construction slated to begin in two years, that offers a solution in the not too distant future, if not immediately.

You are either trying to convince people that the School Board will impose unwanted changes on them or trying to impose changes on other schools that you believe will leave kids at your school unaffected. Either way nothing has been decided yet, so it’s best if you stop trying to front-run specific changes.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

That’s not “students demanding relief.” That’s a School Board claiming to act on behalf of students whether or not the students and their families have themselves sought boundary changes.

Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcapacity, and literally nothing you have said has refuted that fact. The students should not be crammed into modulars- the school board says it is not safe.

Again, if you don’t want to be redistricted, take it up with your rep.

No one disputes that Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcrowded high schools measured by enrollment last year relative to program capacity, excluding modulars.

However, you haven’t established that students at those schools are asking to be redistricted; the schools to which you proposed to send them (Westfield and South Lakes are themselves big and don’t have much extra capacity; and there is a plan for expanding Centreville, with construction slated to begin in two years, that offers a solution in the not too distant future, if not immediately.

You are either trying to convince people that the School Board will impose unwanted changes on them or trying to impose changes on other schools that you believe will leave kids at your school unaffected. Either way nothing has been decided yet, so it’s best if you stop trying to front-run specific changes.

So, if there will be an expansion six seven years down the line, then they can move those students back from Westfield.

I’m scratching my head as to why you think centreville kids should be exempt from the current boundary review?

Do you think any kids want to leave their friends and current schools? Of course not, but here we are with the school board looking to shift kids like cattle across the county.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

That’s not “students demanding relief.” That’s a School Board claiming to act on behalf of students whether or not the students and their families have themselves sought boundary changes.

Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcapacity, and literally nothing you have said has refuted that fact. The students should not be crammed into modulars- the school board says it is not safe.

Again, if you don’t want to be redistricted, take it up with your rep.

No one disputes that Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcrowded high schools measured by enrollment last year relative to program capacity, excluding modulars.

However, you haven’t established that students at those schools are asking to be redistricted; the schools to which you proposed to send them (Westfield and South Lakes are themselves big and don’t have much extra capacity; and there is a plan for expanding Centreville, with construction slated to begin in two years, that offers a solution in the not too distant future, if not immediately.

You are either trying to convince people that the School Board will impose unwanted changes on them or trying to impose changes on other schools that you believe will leave kids at your school unaffected. Either way nothing has been decided yet, so it’s best if you stop trying to front-run specific changes.

So, if there will be an expansion six seven years down the line, then they can move those students back from Westfield.

I’m scratching my head as to why you think centreville kids should be exempt from the current boundary review?

Do you think any kids want to leave their friends and current schools? Of course not, but here we are with the school board looking to shift kids like cattle across the county.

I’d say that, if construction is scheduled to begin in two years, it probably makes more sense to wait until it’s finished than to guarantee repeated boundary changes in those two pyramids over the next decade.

Of course, if enough parents from Chantilly and Centreville weigh in that they desire immediate boundary changes, I’d reconsider that opinion.

At present all I see is you insisting that everyone will be and should be redistricted, regardless of whether FCPS has other, existing plans for a school and whether parents would prefer to hunker down and wait for the Centreville renovation. And, you haven’t offered any plan other than to move kids from these schools to Westfield and South Lakes, each of which is large and near capacity. If you have a larger plan in mind, you aren’t being forthcoming about it.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

That’s not “students demanding relief.” That’s a School Board claiming to act on behalf of students whether or not the students and their families have themselves sought boundary changes.

Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcapacity, and literally nothing you have said has refuted that fact. The students should not be crammed into modulars- the school board says it is not safe.

Again, if you don’t want to be redistricted, take it up with your rep.

No one disputes that Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcrowded high schools measured by enrollment last year relative to program capacity, excluding modulars.

However, you haven’t established that students at those schools are asking to be redistricted; the schools to which you proposed to send them (Westfield and South Lakes are themselves big and don’t have much extra capacity; and there is a plan for expanding Centreville, with construction slated to begin in two years, that offers a solution in the not too distant future, if not immediately.

You are either trying to convince people that the School Board will impose unwanted changes on them or trying to impose changes on other schools that you believe will leave kids at your school unaffected. Either way nothing has been decided yet, so it’s best if you stop trying to front-run specific changes.

So, if there will be an expansion six seven years down the line, then they can move those students back from Westfield.

I’m scratching my head as to why you think centreville kids should be exempt from the current boundary review?

Do you think any kids want to leave their friends and current schools? Of course not, but here we are with the school board looking to shift kids like cattle across the county.

I’d say that, if construction is scheduled to begin in two years, it probably makes more sense to wait until it’s finished than to guarantee repeated boundary changes in those two pyramids over the next decade.

Of course, if enough parents from Chantilly and Centreville weigh in that they desire immediate boundary changes, I’d reconsider that opinion.

At present all I see is you insisting that everyone will be and should be redistricted, regardless of whether FCPS has other, existing plans for a school and whether parents would prefer to hunker down and wait for the Centreville renovation. And, you haven’t offered any plan other than to move kids from these schools to Westfield and South Lakes, each of which is large and near capacity. If you have a larger plan in mind, you aren’t being forthcoming about it.

So we’re only moving kids if they want to be moved? That’s news to me.

Centreville and chantilly have many years before any addition will be built. They should not be spared just because you don’t want your kids to go to a different school. I don’t like it anymore than you do, but here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

That’s not “students demanding relief.” That’s a School Board claiming to act on behalf of students whether or not the students and their families have themselves sought boundary changes.

Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcapacity, and literally nothing you have said has refuted that fact. The students should not be crammed into modulars- the school board says it is not safe.

Again, if you don’t want to be redistricted, take it up with your rep.

No one disputes that Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcrowded high schools measured by enrollment last year relative to program capacity, excluding modulars.

However, you haven’t established that students at those schools are asking to be redistricted; the schools to which you proposed to send them (Westfield and South Lakes are themselves big and don’t have much extra capacity; and there is a plan for expanding Centreville, with construction slated to begin in two years, that offers a solution in the not too distant future, if not immediately.

You are either trying to convince people that the School Board will impose unwanted changes on them or trying to impose changes on other schools that you believe will leave kids at your school unaffected. Either way nothing has been decided yet, so it’s best if you stop trying to front-run specific changes.

So, if there will be an expansion six seven years down the line, then they can move those students back from Westfield.

I’m scratching my head as to why you think centreville kids should be exempt from the current boundary review?

Do you think any kids want to leave their friends and current schools? Of course not, but here we are with the school board looking to shift kids like cattle across the county.

I’d say that, if construction is scheduled to begin in two years, it probably makes more sense to wait until it’s finished than to guarantee repeated boundary changes in those two pyramids over the next decade.

Of course, if enough parents from Chantilly and Centreville weigh in that they desire immediate boundary changes, I’d reconsider that opinion.

At present all I see is you insisting that everyone will be and should be redistricted, regardless of whether FCPS has other, existing plans for a school and whether parents would prefer to hunker down and wait for the Centreville renovation. And, you haven’t offered any plan other than to move kids from these schools to Westfield and South Lakes, each of which is large and near capacity. If you have a larger plan in mind, you aren’t being forthcoming about it.

So we’re only moving kids if they want to be moved? That’s news to me.

Centreville and chantilly have many years before any addition will be built. They should not be spared just because you don’t want your kids to go to a different school. I don’t like it anymore than you do, but here we are.

Au contraire, the construction at Centreville is scheduled to begin in two years.

And you still have not explained what else you have in mind besides overcrowding Westfield and perhaps South Lakes with kids from Centreville and Chantilly.

Just because you don’t like the prospect of boundary changes that might affect your pyramid doesn’t mean other half-baked ideas are valid.

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It is starting to feel like the people who are pushing for Forestville to go to Herndon are doing it to insulate their Centreville/Chantilly/Westfield kids.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

That’s not “students demanding relief.” That’s a School Board claiming to act on behalf of students whether or not the students and their families have themselves sought boundary changes.

Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcapacity, and literally nothing you have said has refuted that fact. The students should not be crammed into modulars- the school board says it is not safe.

Again, if you don’t want to be redistricted, take it up with your rep.

No one disputes that Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcrowded high schools measured by enrollment last year relative to program capacity, excluding modulars.

However, you haven’t established that students at those schools are asking to be redistricted; the schools to which you proposed to send them (Westfield and South Lakes are themselves big and don’t have much extra capacity; and there is a plan for expanding Centreville, with construction slated to begin in two years, that offers a solution in the not too distant future, if not immediately.

You are either trying to convince people that the School Board will impose unwanted changes on them or trying to impose changes on other schools that you believe will leave kids at your school unaffected. Either way nothing has been decided yet, so it’s best if you stop trying to front-run specific changes.

So, if there will be an expansion six seven years down the line, then they can move those students back from Westfield.

I’m scratching my head as to why you think centreville kids should be exempt from the current boundary review?

Do you think any kids want to leave their friends and current schools? Of course not, but here we are with the school board looking to shift kids like cattle across the county.

I’d say that, if construction is scheduled to begin in two years, it probably makes more sense to wait until it’s finished than to guarantee repeated boundary changes in those two pyramids over the next decade.

Of course, if enough parents from Chantilly and Centreville weigh in that they desire immediate boundary changes, I’d reconsider that opinion.

At present all I see is you insisting that everyone will be and should be redistricted, regardless of whether FCPS has other, existing plans for a school and whether parents would prefer to hunker down and wait for the Centreville renovation. And, you haven’t offered any plan other than to move kids from these schools to Westfield and South Lakes, each of which is large and near capacity. If you have a larger plan in mind, you aren’t being forthcoming about it.

So we’re only moving kids if they want to be moved? That’s news to me.

Centreville and chantilly have many years before any addition will be built. They should not be spared just because you don’t want your kids to go to a different school. I don’t like it anymore than you do, but here we are.

Au contraire, the construction at Centreville is scheduled to begin in two years.

And you still have not explained what else you have in mind besides overcrowding Westfield and perhaps South Lakes with kids from Centreville and Chantilly.

Just because you don’t like the prospect of boundary changes that might affect your pyramid doesn’t mean other half-baked ideas are valid.

Construction begins in two years. These things take many years, and the school board knows that too.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to feel like the people who are pushing for Forestville to go to Herndon are doing it to insulate their Centreville/Chantilly/Westfield kids.

It’s more the opposite. The Forestville posters keep trying to socialize the idea of moving kids into Westfield and out of Westfield into Herndon to reduce the odds of their kids who live a short distance from Herndon but over 10 miles from Langley from getting rezoned to Herndon.

And maybe they’ll succeed. But the School Board knows there are already plans to expand Centreville, yet the distance from Forestville to Langley won’t get any shorter, so there’s that.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to feel like the people who are pushing for Forestville to go to Herndon are doing it to insulate their Centreville/Chantilly/Westfield kids.

It’s more the opposite. The Forestville posters keep trying to socialize the idea of moving kids into Westfield and out of Westfield into Herndon to reduce the odds of their kids who live a short distance from Herndon but over 10 miles from Langley from getting rezoned to Herndon.

And maybe they’ll succeed. But the School Board knows there are already plans to expand Centreville, yet the distance from Forestville to Langley won’t get any shorter, so there’s that.

Forestville, Cooper, and Langley are not overcrowded, nor would they be taking the McLean attendance island.

You yourself said that centreville and chantilly are overcrowded by 1200. One thousand two hundred students. That is a boatload of kids - way too many to be ignored.

So there’s that.

I’m guessing you are pushing Forestville proximity so hard because the centreville expansion is so far in the future that it won’t even be completed by the second go round of the boundary review five years from now. Yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to feel like the people who are pushing for Forestville to go to Herndon are doing it to insulate their Centreville/Chantilly/Westfield kids.

It’s more the opposite. The Forestville posters keep trying to socialize the idea of moving kids into Westfield and out of Westfield into Herndon to reduce the odds of their kids who live a short distance from Herndon but over 10 miles from Langley from getting rezoned to Herndon.

And maybe they’ll succeed. But the School Board knows there are already plans to expand Centreville, yet the distance from Forestville to Langley won’t get any shorter, so there’s that.

Forestville, Cooper, and Langley are not overcrowded, nor would they be taking the McLean attendance island.

You yourself said that centreville and chantilly are overcrowded by 1200. One thousand two hundred students. That is a boatload of kids - way too many to be ignored.

So there’s that.

I’m guessing you are pushing Forestville proximity so hard because the centreville expansion is so far in the future that it won’t even be completed by the second go round of the boundary review five years from now. Yikes.

You’re conflating multiple posters and also repeating yourself.

This first round is going to take a couple of years so the second round, if the School Board members are still in office and in a position to follow through, won’t be finished for years, by which time the Centreville expansion (scheduled for completion in 2029) likely will be finished.

If the McLean island in Tysons is rezoned, it won’t be to Forestville but it will be to Cooper and Langley. It would eliminate an existing split feeder at Spring Hill. Whether that would push Forestville into Herndon, or whether they want to do that regardless of any further Langley/McLean changes simply because it’s so much closer to Herndon, remains to be seen.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That's funny bc people go to great lengths to transfer OUT of Westfield--it has high FARMs then many neighboring schools.