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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

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Anonymous wrote:It costs somewhere around $2.5 million to install a modular at a high school. How many millions is FCPS going to eat because they’ve now decided to switch course and no longer treat modulars as the equivalent of other classroom space?

And how much higher will the transportation costs be with a bunch of boundary changes, assuming that at least rising seniors are grandfathered?

It’s probably worth raising these questions to your school board rep. People on here are just describing what board members have said.

The 10:25 post includes a lot of predictions that go well beyond what SB members have said, no?

Reid has also said most of the changes will relate to ES but the prior post also focuses on HS, not ES.

Reid said most of the changes would be at the ES level, but they can’t fix capacity issues at the high school level without making some changes. The McLean example removes two attendance islands (school board priority) and two split feeders (school board priority.) The Marshall example impacts the Westbriar attendance island whether it’s absorbed by the South Lakes pyramid or Madison (school board priority) and Wolf Trap which is a split feeder. The Robinson/Centreville example is another example of a split feeder that sends half its students to a further away high school (school board priority.)

The point is you’re interpreting how the SB will apply these priorities in ways the SB has not actually articulated.

You can eliminate an attendance island by redistricting. You can also eliminate one by bridging the island. In McLean’s case, they may also end up balking at removing an attendance island (Timber Lane) that counts for much of the school’s diversity.

The Westbriar island could be reassigned to a school in the South Lakes or Madison pyramids. But it could also be reassigned to Colvin Run, in the Langley pyramid, with other areas further west reassigned from Langley to Herndon.

No one has a clue at this point what if anything they might do with the split feeder at Union Mill. When Clifton got closed and the neighborhoods reassigned to Union Mill and other schools there were assurances those kids would stay at Robinson. Maybe that goes out the window now, or maybe it doesn’t.

No one really knows yet what will actually happen.

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Maybe some people don’t want their kids to go to school in a construction zone while watching the reason for the construction (overcrowding) resolve itself before construction is done or even started. And Chantilly has an option for relief right now just a few miles away. Not everything is about GF.

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Anonymous wrote:It costs somewhere around $2.5 million to install a modular at a high school. How many millions is FCPS going to eat because they’ve now decided to switch course and no longer treat modulars as the equivalent of other classroom space?

And how much higher will the transportation costs be with a bunch of boundary changes, assuming that at least rising seniors are grandfathered?

It’s probably worth raising these questions to your school board rep. People on here are just describing what board members have said.

The 10:25 post includes a lot of predictions that go well beyond what SB members have said, no?

Reid has also said most of the changes will relate to ES but the prior post also focuses on HS, not ES.

Reid said most of the changes would be at the ES level, but they can’t fix capacity issues at the high school level without making some changes. The McLean example removes two attendance islands (school board priority) and two split feeders (school board priority.) The Marshall example impacts the Westbriar attendance island whether it’s absorbed by the South Lakes pyramid or Madison (school board priority) and Wolf Trap which is a split feeder. The Robinson/Centreville example is another example of a split feeder that sends half its students to a further away high school (school board priority.)

The point is you’re interpreting how the SB will apply these priorities in ways the SB has not actually articulated.

You can eliminate an attendance island by redistricting. You can also eliminate one by bridging the island. In McLean’s case, they may also end up balking at removing an attendance island (Timber Lane) that counts for much of the school’s diversity.

The Westbriar island could be reassigned to a school in the South Lakes or Madison pyramids. But it could also be reassigned to Colvin Run, in the Langley pyramid, with other areas further west reassigned from Langley to Herndon.

No one has a clue at this point what if anything they might do with the split feeder at Union Mill. When Clifton got closed and the neighborhoods reassigned to Union Mill and other schools there were assurances those kids would stay at Robinson. Maybe that goes out the window now, or maybe it doesn’t.

No one really knows yet what will actually happen.

Sure no one knows what will happen, but many folks here are sticking their head in the sand or trying to argue that they should be exempt from the process. The SB is calling it a whole county review for a reason.

Re: the bridge, sure they theoretically could bridge the attendance island, but if McLean is already overcapacity and Langley can absorb that attendance island and not be overcapacity, why wouldn’t they go with the easy fix? The SB doesn’t care about existing relationships and communities. Students are cattle to be divided up by a consultant with no relevant experience to speak of.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

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Anonymous wrote:It costs somewhere around $2.5 million to install a modular at a high school. How many millions is FCPS going to eat because they’ve now decided to switch course and no longer treat modulars as the equivalent of other classroom space?

And how much higher will the transportation costs be with a bunch of boundary changes, assuming that at least rising seniors are grandfathered?

It’s probably worth raising these questions to your school board rep. People on here are just describing what board members have said.

The 10:25 post includes a lot of predictions that go well beyond what SB members have said, no?

Reid has also said most of the changes will relate to ES but the prior post also focuses on HS, not ES.

Reid said most of the changes would be at the ES level, but they can’t fix capacity issues at the high school level without making some changes. The McLean example removes two attendance islands (school board priority) and two split feeders (school board priority.) The Marshall example impacts the Westbriar attendance island whether it’s absorbed by the South Lakes pyramid or Madison (school board priority) and Wolf Trap which is a split feeder. The Robinson/Centreville example is another example of a split feeder that sends half its students to a further away high school (school board priority.)

The point is you’re interpreting how the SB will apply these priorities in ways the SB has not actually articulated.

You can eliminate an attendance island by redistricting. You can also eliminate one by bridging the island. In McLean’s case, they may also end up balking at removing an attendance island (Timber Lane) that counts for much of the school’s diversity.

The Westbriar island could be reassigned to a school in the South Lakes or Madison pyramids. But it could also be reassigned to Colvin Run, in the Langley pyramid, with other areas further west reassigned from Langley to Herndon.

No one has a clue at this point what if anything they might do with the split feeder at Union Mill. When Clifton got closed and the neighborhoods reassigned to Union Mill and other schools there were assurances those kids would stay at Robinson. Maybe that goes out the window now, or maybe it doesn’t.

No one really knows yet what will actually happen.

Sure no one knows what will happen, but many folks here are sticking their head in the sand or trying to argue that they should be exempt from the process. The SB is calling it a whole county review for a reason.

Re: the bridge, sure they theoretically could bridge the attendance island, but if McLean is already overcapacity and Langley can absorb that attendance island and not be overcapacity, why wouldn’t they go with the easy fix? The SB doesn’t care about existing relationships and communities. Students are cattle to be divided up by a consultant with no relevant experience to speak of.

Maybe so, especially if one of their other goals, as many believe, is moving western Great Falls from Langley to Herndon. It gets much harder to justify that move unless more of McLean is moving to Langley.

But, in theory, they could mitigate the impact on McLean by moving the one island to the south and bridging the Tysons island to the north. It would still be a reduction in the number of kids, but not as many.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe some people don’t want their kids to go to school in a construction zone while watching the reason for the construction (overcrowding) resolve itself before construction is done or even started. And Chantilly has an option for relief right now just a few miles away. Not everything is about GF.

Centreville is scheduled for a renovation regardless of whether and how much it gets expanded. People grouse about the disruption during a renovation but no one turns down a renovation.

And you haven’t explained how Chantilly currently has an option for relief when the two schools mentioned (South Lakes and Westfield) are themselves near full capacity. Did you have something else in mind?

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

That’s not “students demanding relief.” That’s a School Board claiming to act on behalf of students whether or not the students and their families have themselves sought boundary changes.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

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Remember when the SB claimed 2000 was the right size for a high school.....

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield and South Lakes are both big and close to full capacity, and Centreville has been over capacity. Why would you move Chantilly kids there now?

Taxpayers have consistently approved school bonds for the past 50 years so when the bond that covers the bulk of the Centreville renovation/expansion comes up there’s no reason to think it won’t be approved. The construction work is scheduled to start in two years.

We send kids to where there is room. Centreville and chantilly were one and two in high school capacity deficit in the current CIP. Number three McLean will likely shed attendance islands and be fine.

What will the school board do with centreville and chantilly? Teeming students. The students demand relief.

What do you mean “the students demand relief”? Are you saying we owe this to the students or that students are actually asking that they or their peers get redistricted to other schools? Kind of doubt it’s the latter.

I mean exactly what I said.

Centreville and Chantilly have hundreds more students than they can accommodate. Why do you continue to think that your kids should be exempt from the upcoming chaos?

That’s not “students demanding relief.” That’s a School Board claiming to act on behalf of students whether or not the students and their families have themselves sought boundary changes.

Centreville and Chantilly are the most overcapacity, and literally nothing you have said has refuted that fact. The students should not be crammed into modulars- the school board says it is not safe.

Again, if you don’t want to be redistricted, take it up with your rep.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

Chantilly and Centreville are currently over 750+ students over capacity. Herndon’s 375 seats isn’t going to fix this.