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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

What schools in the area have extra capacity? Chantilly and Centreville are over-crowded. Not really any other school close by.

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PP wants to move Westfield and Chantilly zoned kids to Herndon to fill seats so Great Falls can't be moved there. Its so transparent its embarassing.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That's funny bc people go to great lengths to transfer OUT of Westfield--it has high FARMs then many neighboring schools.

The FARMS rate at Westfield is about the same as at Centreville and South Lakes, higher than Oakton and Chantilly, and lower than Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That's funny bc people go to great lengths to transfer OUT of Westfield--it has high FARMs then many neighboring schools.

The FARMS rate at Westfield is about the same as at Centreville and South Lakes, higher than Oakton and Chantilly, and lower than Herndon.

What's the rate at Herndon?

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That's funny bc people go to great lengths to transfer OUT of Westfield--it has high FARMs then many neighboring schools.

The FARMS rate at Westfield is about the same as at Centreville and South Lakes, higher than Oakton and Chantilly, and lower than Herndon.

Oakton, Herndon and South Lakes are not neighboring schools. They are 12+ miles away.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That's funny bc people go to great lengths to transfer OUT of Westfield--it has high FARMs then many neighboring schools.

The FARMS rate at Westfield is about the same as at Centreville and South Lakes, higher than Oakton and Chantilly, and lower than Herndon.

Oakton, Herndon and South Lakes are not neighboring schools. They are 12+ miles away.

Neither Herndon nor South Lakes is 12+ miles away from Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That's funny bc people go to great lengths to transfer OUT of Westfield--it has high FARMs then many neighboring schools.

The FARMS rate at Westfield is about the same as at Centreville and South Lakes, higher than Oakton and Chantilly, and lower than Herndon.

Oakton, Herndon and South Lakes are not neighboring schools. They are 12+ miles away.

Neither Herndon nor South Lakes is 12+ miles away from Westfield.

Is google maps wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That's funny bc people go to great lengths to transfer OUT of Westfield--it has high FARMs then many neighboring schools.

The FARMS rate at Westfield is about the same as at Centreville and South Lakes, higher than Oakton and Chantilly, and lower than Herndon.

Oakton, Herndon and South Lakes are not neighboring schools. They are 12+ miles away.

We're in Franklin Farm, which I think is close to the most northern end of the Chantilly boundary. We are 2 miles from CHS, and 8 miles from Herndon High.

Friends across Fairfax County Parkway go to Oakton, and their house is equidistant between Herndon High and Oakton (around 8 miles each direction).

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Hmm, my phone is giving me 12 mile or 14 mile routes between those schools. That's not "nearby" in any sense of the word.

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Anonymous wrote:PP wants to move Westfield and Chantilly zoned kids to Herndon to fill seats so Great Falls can't be moved there. Its so transparent its embarassing.

Bingo.

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Fairfax HS and Madison HS and Robinson are equally "nearby", 12-14 miles.

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Nothing is close to Westfield! Its basically in Loudoun.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

The school board is looking to alleviate overcrowding, and there is a real issue at centreville and chantilly. Sure it might be fixed six or seven years in the future, assuming the taxpayers approve a massive expansion, but that over browsing is an issue today. If they are serious about addressing under capacity or over capacity issues, they must do something at these two schools.

Where are you zoned? Some of the biggest advocates for “doing something” for Chantilly live elsewhere and have their own motives. They are fervently trying to game potential boundary changes so other kids get moved and their kids stay at their current schools.

If you are personally looking to move from Chantilly to Westfield, please let us know.

Misdirection. They just passed Policy 8130 and overcrowding is one of the big four factors.

Your whataboutism goes against the policy that they just passed this summer. I didn’t write the policy, the school board did. Talk to them.

You didn’t answer the question. Where are YOU zoned?

Crickets, of course.

They push boundary changes that affect other people’s kids with the hope their own boundaries will be untouched.

Immaterial. Centreville is overcapacity. Chantilly is too. That is a fact.

Quite material.

Where are your kids zoned?

The board makes the decisions. They’ve decided that overcrowded schools will be moved.

If you don’t like it, talk to your reps.

Of course the School Board makes the decisions, dimwit.

Now tell us where you’re zoned so we can assess why you have such an interest in kids getting moved out of Centreville and Chantilly.

You first, madam.

You’re the one so interested in moving kids out of those two schools. Tell us where you’re zoned.

Why are you so mad at me? I’m just conveying to you that centreville and chantilly are grossly overcapacity, and the fix is more than five years away.

Take it up with the school board.

Centreville is down 125 kids from last year and the last CIP had Centreville at 104% in 2028-29. It’s not going to be grossly overcrowded, and is slated to be expanded in any event.

So why are you worried about Centreville? Where do you have kids?

Centreville is currently 118% capacity with modulars and 127%(!!!) without. Projection without modulars is 113% in SY28-29. Their goal is to get rid of modulars.

Tell me how centreville isn’t grossly overcapacity?

You’re using last year’s numbers, when the enrollment is down over 125 kids this year. And who is to say the families wouldn’t prefer to stay at the school with a modular rather than be redistricted? FCPS has long treated modulars, although not trailers, the same as permanent classrooms when calculating capacity.

Even using this year’s number, centreville is at 119% without modulars. That’s just simple math.

Dunne has made it clear the goal is to eliminate modulars.

Those centreville kids need relief now.

Debatable when there’s an 8% decline in overcrowding in one year, there’s already a plan to expand Centreville, and Dunne doesn’t even represent the school. He can redistrict West Potomac and Mount Vernon if he’s so concerned about capacity imbalances.

If there are Centreville or Chantilly families looking for “relief,” they’d be identifying themselves as such and speaking up here. You’re just trying to construct a series of moves that you think would keep all of Great Falls at Langley, even when kids live at opposite ends of the county.

Why shouldn’t centreville and chantilly get relief now? Sure they’ll possibly have an expanded school many years from now, if taxpayers ultimately decide to fund the expansion, but that doesn’t alleviate the significant overcrowding concerns now at the schools.

The school board says that modulars are a safety concern. They are looking to get rid of them at every school -presumably your kids’ too.

What makes centreville so special that it should not be included in the county wide boundary changes?

If this is the case, why are they moving the Brookfield ES kids into them for the next 2.5 years? Remodeling yes, but safety first! Ditto for the entire sixth grade at Greenbrier East who are now in trailers.

Where else do you propose they put kids when their school is being remodeled?

That’s the point. An earlier PP was suggesting modulars never be used, which would mean in the event of renovations, the entire county would have to adjust its boundaries to absorb the seats until they were finished being built. That’s not going to happen.

DP, I don't think the case being made is that modulars should "never" be used (e.g. in case of needed swing space during a renovation), I think it's that modulars shouldn't be used as a long-term capacity solution because of safety, equity/fairness, and the declining condition/durability of the county's current modulars. Use of modulars should aim to be "scaled back significantly" is probably more representative of the SB and FCPS and most people's feeling about them.

I agree with this. Modulars are the immediate solution with the long term solution being expansion or boundary adjustment (or in other cases to wait it out if it’s an abnormal growth trend.) The high schools with modulars are:

- McLean, which will likely be alleviated by moving attendance islands.
- Marshall, which will likely be alleviated by sending its western boundaries to Madison.
- Annandale, which may no longer need modulars due to the downward trend in enrollment.
- Centreville, which is being expanded.
- Robinson, which is projected to grow more dependent on its modular, but could benefit from Centreville’s expansion (ie all of Union Mill stays at Centreville instead of being a split feeder)
- Chantilly, which is the most challenging case, as it already has fairly tight boundaries, and is difficult to expand due to its footprint. This would be the only instance of having to choose between bussing kids to further away high schools or keeping them in modulars, I think. (Again, this is only with regards to modulars.)

Northern part of chantilly could go to Westfield or south lakes, southern part could go to centreville.

Centreville expansion is years away, and hasn’t even been fully approved by taxpayers.

Options abound.

Westfield has 2700+ students already! You can't alleviate crowding at Chantilly by sending even more kids to CVHS and Westfield. Both schools have too many students already.

There are schools in the area with extra capacity. I just think Westfield families are trying to avoid them.

That’s funny because many of these posts are from Langley posters trying to avoid Herndon and to preserve their 10-12 mile commutes to Langley. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That's funny bc people go to great lengths to transfer OUT of Westfield--it has high FARMs then many neighboring schools.

The FARMS rate at Westfield is about the same as at Centreville and South Lakes, higher than Oakton and Chantilly, and lower than Herndon.

Oakton, Herndon and South Lakes are not neighboring schools. They are 12+ miles away.

We're in Franklin Farm, which I think is close to the most northern end of the Chantilly boundary. We are 2 miles from CHS, and 8 miles from Herndon High.

Friends across Fairfax County Parkway go to Oakton, and their house is equidistant between Herndon High and Oakton (around 8 miles each direction).

Oh stop. They're not going to redistrict us away from Oakton to Herndon without a big fight. We're closer to Chantilly and South Lakes than we are to Herndon.

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Do you know what's close to Westfield? Chantilly High School.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to feel like the people who are pushing for Forestville to go to Herndon are doing it to insulate their Centreville/Chantilly/Westfield kids.

It’s more the opposite. The Forestville posters keep trying to socialize the idea of moving kids into Westfield and out of Westfield into Herndon to reduce the odds of their kids who live a short distance from Herndon but over 10 miles from Langley from getting rezoned to Herndon.

And maybe they’ll succeed. But the School Board knows there are already plans to expand Centreville, yet the distance from Forestville to Langley won’t get any shorter, so there’s that.

Forestville, Cooper, and Langley are not overcrowded, nor would they be taking the McLean attendance island.

You yourself said that centreville and chantilly are overcrowded by 1200. One thousand two hundred students. That is a boatload of kids - way too many to be ignored.

So there’s that.

I’m guessing you are pushing Forestville proximity so hard because the centreville expansion is so far in the future that it won’t even be completed by the second go round of the boundary review five years from now. Yikes.

You’re conflating multiple posters and also repeating yourself.

This first round is going to take a couple of years so the second round, if the School Board members are still in office and in a position to follow through, won’t be finished for years, by which time the Centreville expansion (scheduled for completion in 2029) likely will be finished.

If the McLean island in Tysons is rezoned, it won’t be to Forestville but it will be to Cooper and Langley. It would eliminate an existing split feeder at Spring Hill. Whether that would push Forestville into Herndon, or whether they want to do that regardless of any further Langley/McLean changes simply because it’s so much closer to Herndon, remains to be seen.

Of course it won’t be to Forestville. It also won’t send either cooper or langley overcapacity.

Centreville won’t be finished until at least 2029. There is often significant delay for these renovations.

Every five years is now required by the new policy. If the expansion is done in five years, at that point they can shift kids again. That is how they intend to use the policy. Students are cattle.