SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

The problem is that SCOTUS only outlawed one particular type of racial preference- the one in favor of disadvantaged races. The ones that advantage white kids (legacy and athletics for niche sports) are still allowed. So EVERY student will not be judged on their own merits.

Those are not explicitly racial discrimination. Also, the Supreme Court did not outlaw affirmative action. Clarence Thomas said they effectively did in his concurrence, but technically they stuck to their original ruling from 2003 rather than overturn it. The discrimination has to be justified on certain grounds, and these colleges failed to do so.

It doesn't matter that it is explicitly racial discrimination. They are factors that have nothing to do with academics and that is heavily correlated with one racial group. Harvard could very easily select other non-academic factors that are correlated with being black. Just changing up the mix of athletic recruit slots toward sports that blacks play more would likely result in more blacks. Would that be "fair" to asians?

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

The problem is that SCOTUS only outlawed one particular type of racial preference- the one in favor of disadvantaged races. The ones that advantage white kids (legacy and athletics for niche sports) are still allowed. So EVERY student will not be judged on their own merits.

Those are not explicitly racial discrimination. Also, the Supreme Court did not outlaw affirmative action. Clarence Thomas said they effectively did in his concurrence, but technically they stuck to their original ruling from 2003 rather than overturn it. The discrimination has to be justified on certain grounds, and these colleges failed to do so.

It doesn't matter that it is explicitly racial discrimination. They are factors that have nothing to do with academics and that is heavily correlated with one racial group. Harvard could very easily select other non-academic factors that are correlated with being black. Just changing up the mix of athletic recruit slots toward sports that blacks play more would likely result in more blacks. Would that be "fair" to asians?

Yes is does matter that other preferences are not based on race, even if correlated with race. Admissions boost for low socioeconomic status or geography are not race based but may be highly correlated with race and those are fine. They drew the line at race.

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

What does "merit" mean when you use the term?

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

The PP said, "The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race." Plenty of Asians got in, so clearly that wasn't the case. Perhaps race didn't help Asians as much as it helped some other races, but they weren't excluded for being Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there anything particularly special about Harvard without the "legacy" special sauce? Would the prestige, brilliant professors, mega donors, smart students etc. all still be drawn to Harvard without "legacy"?

The majority of the value proposition of Harvard to which people are drawn is grounded in centuries of "legacy", which becomes a mutually reinforcing virtuous circle when more talented people want to associate with the brand to reap their own benefits and then become a part of the brand themselves.

If you strip "legacy" from the Harvard value proposition (which is pretty much impossible to do), then you can probably get way better bang for your buck elsewhere. The ugly truth is that proximity to "legacy" is a lot of what you're paying for at Harvard.

If you remove all of the underserving rich, political or celebrity kids, princes, trust fund kids and the attendant donations, brand cache, visibility etc. that come with them and replace it with a strictly meritocratic system, would people still be clamoring for Harvard in the same way 50 years from now, when those people have decamped to another exclusive institution?

To be sure, a lot of legacies independently qualify on meritocratic grounds, but a bunch of others get their sh*t together way later in life and can go on to great success and prominence by banking on their relationships and connections that they would've had with or without Harvard.

Huh? The legacy admits at these places are seen as that. It's not exactly a particularly desired distinction as it clouds the impression as to why the student got admittance...kinda like athletic recruits.

Yes yes, that's why nyc investment banks and hedge funds make special efforts to not hire ivy legacies and athletic recruits. You can hardly find any of them there.

True. That corruption is well understood on campus and off they go to hedge funds so who cares if they are not as respected on campus. A bmw in the driveway and life is good.

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

What does "merit" mean when you use the term?

Universities are academic institutions. merit is therefore showing an aptitude via grades, tests, or other metrics, for academic subjects

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

What does "merit" mean when you use the term?

would you know how to define it if we were talking soccer,

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

The PP said, "The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race." Plenty of Asians got in, so clearly that wasn't the case. Perhaps race didn't help Asians as much as it helped some other races, but they weren't excluded for being Asian.

It is very difficult to convincingly make this case when Asian students at Harvard averaged 200+ higher score on the SAT vs the average score of black students.

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

DP. They are hugely overrepresented, based on percentage of the population. That is proven by census and college demographic data.

With that relevant point out of the way, you can now try to make your case that they are somehow underrepresented based on merit. Are you suggesting that if it were strictly based on merit, even more Asians would be in the elite schools? Where is your data to support that?

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

The PP said, "The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race." Plenty of Asians got in, so clearly that wasn't the case. Perhaps race didn't help Asians as much as it helped some other races, but they weren't excluded for being Asian.

It is very difficult to convincingly make this case when Asian students at Harvard averaged 200+ higher score on the SAT vs the average score of black students.

SAT scores aren't the only thing that matter. And how is it beneficial for a university to have a population that is homogenously nothing but Asians with high SAT scores?

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

The problem is that SCOTUS only outlawed one particular type of racial preference- the one in favor of disadvantaged races. The ones that advantage white kids (legacy and athletics for niche sports) are still allowed. So EVERY student will not be judged on their own merits.

Those are not explicitly racial discrimination. Also, the Supreme Court did not outlaw affirmative action. Clarence Thomas said they effectively did in his concurrence, but technically they stuck to their original ruling from 2003 rather than overturn it. The discrimination has to be justified on certain grounds, and these colleges failed to do so.

It doesn't matter that it is explicitly racial discrimination. They are factors that have nothing to do with academics and that is heavily correlated with one racial group. Harvard could very easily select other non-academic factors that are correlated with being black. Just changing up the mix of athletic recruit slots toward sports that blacks play more would likely result in more blacks. Would that be "fair" to asians?

I'm flabbergasted I have to actually have to make this post.

"Civil Rights Act of 1964 is a federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex (including pregnancy), and religion in employment,education, and access to public facilities and public accommodations, such as restaurants and hotels"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/civil_rights_act_of_1964

So I have bolded racial discrimination, which ABSOLUTELY matters, but nowhere in there is legacy or athletic status..

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

DP. They are hugely overrepresented, based on percentage of the population. That is proven by census and college demographic data.

With that relevant point out of the way, you can now try to make your case that they are somehow underrepresented based on merit. Are you suggesting that if it were strictly based on merit, even more Asians would be in the elite schools? Where is your data to support that?

Harvard’s own internal study said the school would be about 40% Asian had they not tried to put their thumb on the scale.

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

DP. They are hugely overrepresented, based on percentage of the population. That is proven by census and college demographic data.

With that relevant point out of the way, you can now try to make your case that they are somehow underrepresented based on merit. Are you suggesting that if it were strictly based on merit, even more Asians would be in the elite schools? Where is your data to support that?

Whether or not Asians were over represented, Harvard was being racist in how it assessed Asian applicants.

That needed to be called out and stopped regardless. There is value to diversity, but how you get there matters. Harvard was in the wrong here.

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"In the case of university admissions over the past decade, Asians serve as this sort of mask for white privilege," Chang says. "A mask that white privilege can wear in order to hide itself." A mask, he says, with the veneer of very real experiences of racism by Asian Americans.

"Is anti-Asian racism real? Yeah, absolutely," says OiYan Poon, a professor at Colorado State University who studies race-based admissions. "I have experienced it firsthand."

But according to her research, affirmative action is not the source of that racism.

"I've been pouring over the data for years," she says — including the admissions data of Harvard before the court in one of the case that just ended affirmative action. "There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination."

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

Asians are useful idiots for white conservatives.

I wonder how this will play out when the percentage of asians getting into elite schools next year is about the same as it was this year, but the percentage of white kids went up. Will they see they got conned?

Asians are already 4x overrepresented in elite schools. Not sure what their complaint is, other than perhaps they think all Asians, and only Asians should be attending elite schools...

OMG are you all this dense? Or just pretending to be to allow this racism to go on? The complaint is that Asians were denied admissions because of their race. The ask is not that only Asians attend elite schools, but that EVERY student be judged on their own merits and not by their race. I do not see how the percent of asians at elite schools vs general population is relevant at all, unless your basic assumption is racism (only looking at what is fair through the lens of race).

Because if Asians are over-represented, Universities aren't disqualifying Asians because of their race.

Really, logic/math is not your strong suit. Your statement above doesn't make any logical sense. Over represented based on what rubric? The whole point is while Asians were overrepresented based on their baseline population, they were underrepresented based on merit.

What does "merit" mean when you use the term?

As defined by Harvard, it means Asians had the best ratings across the board (academic, extracurricular, alumni interview personality ratings) but still couldn't get in over lower ranked students.