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[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll add an example. Matt Walsh who made “what is a woman” is a self identified theocratic fascist. He’s catholic.

There are gender critical feminists (aka TERFs) opposed to trans people being allowed to transition or exist in the light of day (as they consider a child seeing a trans person = grooming). The people in that group are fairly small in number. Most people opposed to trans people are just the religious right. Catholics and born agains retargeted from abortion to transgender people in order to keep the outrage machine going and the votes coming in.

Do the posters in this thread who think that trans people are simply mentally ill and were complaining about JHU's webpage agree with this? Are all of you simply anti-abortion activists who have been repurposed? I know at least one of the anti-Trans posters is a right-winger, but I think she is basically the exception.

I’m the Pp you replied to. So to be clear, I think there’s at least one pro choice anti-trans poster. That being said, I honestly believe many are just conservatives. Up thread I asked doctor that has trans patients for her opinion on several other topics that the right is constantly talking about. She’s been posting in this thread constantly, day and night, for days. She didn’t respond to the questions. To me, that says all I need to know.

That’s me! What questions did I miss? Happy to answer them now.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

Because they aren't scared of trans men. They don't think that trans men are grooming children or that they're a danger to men and children. They do claim that trans women are grooming children and are a danger to women and children so they want trans women to use men's bathrooms.

Hm, I wonder why you think that “they” are scared of trans men but not trans women? What ever could the reason for that be?

transmisogyny. It’s a blanket fear of all trans women.

But why only trans women? If fear is the motivation here, Shouldn’t they be more fearful of trans men since men are more violent?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? They don't see trans men as men.

So your point is that they don’t see trans women as women? Why do you think that is the case?

Because they don’t like transgender people and don’t think they should be allowed to transition or participating in society.

There are six levels of quotations here referring to "they". While I appreciate the avoidance of gendered language, can someone explain who "they" is?

Also, today the Southern Baptist Church voted 88%-11% to kick out a church because it supported female pastors. It will be interesting to see if that gets even 1/10 of the attention that John Hopkins' web page did.

Why are you conflating two entirely separate issues?

I don’t care who evangelicals let preach, just like I don’t care who Muslims, Satanists, Hindus or Zoroastrians let preach.

I thought the issue was women's rights. As some have been arguing, the trans community has little power beyond the ability to yell at people. Anti-trans legislators, on the other hand, have real power to make laws which they have been using not only against trans people, but against women in general. This is another case where those with power, in this case a religious institution with considerable influence, has taken clear cut action against women's rights. Something with more impact than a webpage. I expected it might generate, at best, a yawn. But, I was overly optimistic since it actually resulted in me being admonished. Maybe I was wrong about women's rights being the main concern?

No. Your premise is false. The trans community has already demonstrated its power to deny females their rights to define themselves and have the ability have sex segregated spaces like prisons, sports, and rape crisis centers. That is not little power, no?

No one is trying to make females (or males for that matter) adhere to evangelicalism or Islam or any other traditional faith based system. The only faith based system that is being enforced through legislation is transgenderism and gender identity.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll add an example. Matt Walsh who made “what is a woman” is a self identified theocratic fascist. He’s catholic.

There are gender critical feminists (aka TERFs) opposed to trans people being allowed to transition or exist in the light of day (as they consider a child seeing a trans person = grooming). The people in that group are fairly small in number. Most people opposed to trans people are just the religious right. Catholics and born agains retargeted from abortion to transgender people in order to keep the outrage machine going and the votes coming in.

Do the posters in this thread who think that trans people are simply mentally ill and were complaining about JHU's webpage agree with this? Are all of you simply anti-abortion activists who have been repurposed? I know at least one of the anti-Trans posters is a right-winger, but I think she is basically the exception.

I am the mental health hospital worker and I am 100% pro choice. And not a southern Baptist.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

Right. I want a RWNJ white conservative man (from the trash Daily Wire of all places) to define and help women.

Talk about misogyny.

The genius of the movie is that the filmmaker says very little. The interviewees’ theories on gender fold like a house of cards. They are unable to answer the most basic of questions (not just the one which is the title of the documentary).

The genius is that women eat it up and turn on each other.

Makes the conservative men’s jobs a lot easier.

Go worry about bathrooms, ladies, while we take away your bodily autonomy.

You are such an appalling sexist. It’s really quite something to watch.

It’s not “sexist” to describe how the RWNJs are using irrational fears to their benefit.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

Because they aren't scared of trans men. They don't think that trans men are grooming children or that they're a danger to men and children. They do claim that trans women are grooming children and are a danger to women and children so they want trans women to use men's bathrooms.

Hm, I wonder why you think that “they” are scared of trans men but not trans women? What ever could the reason for that be?

transmisogyny. It’s a blanket fear of all trans women.

But why only trans women? If fear is the motivation here, Shouldn’t they be more fearful of trans men since men are more violent?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? They don't see trans men as men.

So your point is that they don’t see trans women as women? Why do you think that is the case?

Because they don’t like transgender people and don’t think they should be allowed to transition or participating in society.

There are six levels of quotations here referring to "they". While I appreciate the avoidance of gendered language, can someone explain who "they" is?

Also, today the Southern Baptist Church voted 88%-11% to kick out a church because it supported female pastors. It will be interesting to see if that gets even 1/10 of the attention that John Hopkins' web page did.

Why are you conflating two entirely separate issues?

I don’t care who evangelicals let preach, just like I don’t care who Muslims, Satanists, Hindus or Zoroastrians let preach.

I thought the issue was women's rights. As some have been arguing, the trans community has little power beyond the ability to yell at people. Anti-trans legislators, on the other hand, have real power to make laws which they have been using not only against trans people, but against women in general. This is another case where those with power, in this case a religious institution with considerable influence, has taken clear cut action against women's rights. Something with more impact than a webpage. I expected it might generate, at best, a yawn. But, I was overly optimistic since it actually resulted in me being admonished. Maybe I was wrong about women's rights being the main concern?

No. Your premise is false. The trans community has already demonstrated its power to deny females their rights to define themselves and have the ability have sex segregated spaces like prisons, sports, and rape crisis centers. That is not little power, no?

No one is trying to make females (or males for that matter) adhere to evangelicalism or Islam or any other traditional faith based system. The only faith based system that is being enforced through legislation is transgenderism and gender identity.

You are exaggerating what you believe trans activists have achieved. Very few transwomen are housed in women's prison in the US. Biden just proposed to allow schools to block transgender athletes. You are mimicking JK Rowling's agenda but not one applicable to the US.

Some people are actually attempting to force people to adhere to various religious doctrines. But, even if they weren't, I'd think that a clear cut effort to limit the rights of women would be worth at least a mention by self-proclaimed women's rights proponents. Instead, you it seems you prefer to ignore it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

Because they aren't scared of trans men. They don't think that trans men are grooming children or that they're a danger to men and children. They do claim that trans women are grooming children and are a danger to women and children so they want trans women to use men's bathrooms.

Hm, I wonder why you think that “they” are scared of trans men but not trans women? What ever could the reason for that be?

Irrational fear of penises caused by prior trauma.

[Anonymous]

I made the “original” “What is a Woman?” plug a few pages ago. I watched the documentary and was blown away by the lack of critical thinking the so-called experts in this field have engaged in. The interviewees were medical doctors (including a transwoman surgeon and pediatrician), therapists, professors of gender studies and a person who transitioned who had tremendous complications. You can attack Matt Walsh all you want, but as I said, he simply provides these experts a platform to make their case. The questions he asked were fair and he was respectful and polite. People can bicker back and forth and regurgitate the same arguments - no one is changing anyone’s mind on this thread. I believe Walsh’s documentary does an excellent job exposing how little thought has gone into modern gender ideology. The visceral reaction to even the most basic of questions tells me that its proponents cannot answer the questions nor do they want anyone asking them thus you are a transphobe or bigot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll add an example. Matt Walsh who made “what is a woman” is a self identified theocratic fascist. He’s catholic.

There are gender critical feminists (aka TERFs) opposed to trans people being allowed to transition or exist in the light of day (as they consider a child seeing a trans person = grooming). The people in that group are fairly small in number. Most people opposed to trans people are just the religious right. Catholics and born agains retargeted from abortion to transgender people in order to keep the outrage machine going and the votes coming in.

Do the posters in this thread who think that trans people are simply mentally ill and were complaining about JHU's webpage agree with this? Are all of you simply anti-abortion activists who have been repurposed? I know at least one of the anti-Trans posters is a right-winger, but I think she is basically the exception.

I’m the Pp you replied to. So to be clear, I think there’s at least one pro choice anti-trans poster. That being said, I honestly believe many are just conservatives. Up thread I asked doctor that has trans patients for her opinion on several other topics that the right is constantly talking about. She’s been posting in this thread constantly, day and night, for days. She didn’t respond to the questions. To me, that says all I need to know.

The reality is that there are many more Christians with a large platform like Matt Walsh than there are so-called radical feminists. There are not many so-called radical feminists with a large platform. There are also science oriented gender critical males but you don’t hear about them as much because the media landscape is dominated by the binary left vs right dynamic.

They have JKR.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I made the “original” “What is a Woman?” plug a few pages ago. I watched the documentary and was blown away by the lack of critical thinking the so-called experts in this field have engaged in. The interviewees were medical doctors (including a transwoman surgeon and pediatrician), therapists, professors of gender studies and a person who transitioned who had tremendous complications. You can attack Matt Walsh all you want, but as I said, he simply provides these experts a platform to make their case. The questions he asked were fair and he was respectful and polite. People can bicker back and forth and regurgitate the same arguments - no one is changing anyone’s mind on this thread. I believe Walsh’s documentary does an excellent job exposing how little thought has gone into modern gender ideology. The visceral reaction to even the most basic of questions tells me that its proponents cannot answer the questions nor do they want anyone asking them thus you are a transphobe or bigot.

Are you a right-wing anti-abortion religious fanatic?

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll add an example. Matt Walsh who made “what is a woman” is a self identified theocratic fascist. He’s catholic.

There are gender critical feminists (aka TERFs) opposed to trans people being allowed to transition or exist in the light of day (as they consider a child seeing a trans person = grooming). The people in that group are fairly small in number. Most people opposed to trans people are just the religious right. Catholics and born agains retargeted from abortion to transgender people in order to keep the outrage machine going and the votes coming in.

Do the posters in this thread who think that trans people are simply mentally ill and were complaining about JHU's webpage agree with this? Are all of you simply anti-abortion activists who have been repurposed? I know at least one of the anti-Trans posters is a right-winger, but I think she is basically the exception.

I’m the Pp you replied to. So to be clear, I think there’s at least one pro choice anti-trans poster. That being said, I honestly believe many are just conservatives. Up thread I asked doctor that has trans patients for her opinion on several other topics that the right is constantly talking about. She’s been posting in this thread constantly, day and night, for days. She didn’t respond to the questions. To me, that says all I need to know.

The reality is that there are many more Christians with a large platform like Matt Walsh than there are so-called radical feminists. There are not many so-called radical feminists with a large platform. There are also science oriented gender critical males but you don’t hear about them as much because the media landscape is dominated by the binary left vs right dynamic.

They have JKR.

One woman on twitter as compared to the entire right-wing US media industry. Get real.

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll add an example. Matt Walsh who made “what is a woman” is a self identified theocratic fascist. He’s catholic.

There are gender critical feminists (aka TERFs) opposed to trans people being allowed to transition or exist in the light of day (as they consider a child seeing a trans person = grooming). The people in that group are fairly small in number. Most people opposed to trans people are just the religious right. Catholics and born agains retargeted from abortion to transgender people in order to keep the outrage machine going and the votes coming in.

Do the posters in this thread who think that trans people are simply mentally ill and were complaining about JHU's webpage agree with this? Are all of you simply anti-abortion activists who have been repurposed? I know at least one of the anti-Trans posters is a right-winger, but I think she is basically the exception.

I’m the Pp you replied to. So to be clear, I think there’s at least one pro choice anti-trans poster. That being said, I honestly believe many are just conservatives. Up thread I asked doctor that has trans patients for her opinion on several other topics that the right is constantly talking about. She’s been posting in this thread constantly, day and night, for days. She didn’t respond to the questions. To me, that says all I need to know.

The reality is that there are many more Christians with a large platform like Matt Walsh than there are so-called radical feminists. There are not many so-called radical feminists with a large platform. There are also science oriented gender critical males but you don’t hear about them as much because the media landscape is dominated by the binary left vs right dynamic.

They have JKR.

One woman on twitter as compared to the entire right-wing US media industry. Get real.

I'm confused.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

Because they aren't scared of trans men. They don't think that trans men are grooming children or that they're a danger to men and children. They do claim that trans women are grooming children and are a danger to women and children so they want trans women to use men's bathrooms.

Hm, I wonder why you think that “they” are scared of trans men but not trans women? What ever could the reason for that be?

transmisogyny. It’s a blanket fear of all trans women.

But why only trans women? If fear is the motivation here, Shouldn’t they be more fearful of trans men since men are more violent?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? They don't see trans men as men.

So your point is that they don’t see trans women as women? Why do you think that is the case?

Because they don’t like transgender people and don’t think they should be allowed to transition or participating in society.

There are six levels of quotations here referring to "they". While I appreciate the avoidance of gendered language, can someone explain who "they" is?

Also, today the Southern Baptist Church voted 88%-11% to kick out a church because it supported female pastors. It will be interesting to see if that gets even 1/10 of the attention that John Hopkins' web page did.

Why are you conflating two entirely separate issues?

I don’t care who evangelicals let preach, just like I don’t care who Muslims, Satanists, Hindus or Zoroastrians let preach.

I thought the issue was women's rights. As some have been arguing, the trans community has little power beyond the ability to yell at people. Anti-trans legislators, on the other hand, have real power to make laws which they have been using not only against trans people, but against women in general. This is another case where those with power, in this case a religious institution with considerable influence, has taken clear cut action against women's rights. Something with more impact than a webpage. I expected it might generate, at best, a yawn. But, I was overly optimistic since it actually resulted in me being admonished. Maybe I was wrong about women's rights being the main concern?

No. Your premise is false. The trans community has already demonstrated its power to deny females their rights to define themselves and have the ability have sex segregated spaces like prisons, sports, and rape crisis centers. That is not little power, no?

No one is trying to make females (or males for that matter) adhere to evangelicalism or Islam or any other traditional faith based system. The only faith based system that is being enforced through legislation is transgenderism and gender identity.

You are exaggerating what you believe trans activists have achieved. Very few transwomen are housed in women's prison in the US. Biden just proposed to allow schools to block transgender athletes. You are mimicking JK Rowling's agenda but not one applicable to the US.

Some people are actually attempting to force people to adhere to various religious doctrines. But, even if they weren't, I'd think that a clear cut effort to limit the rights of women would be worth at least a mention by self-proclaimed women's rights proponents. Instead, you it seems you prefer to ignore it.

Where are these people trying to force people to adhere to their religious doctrines through legislation? It appears that you are trying to make the case that evangelicals or Orthodox Jews or Muslims who limit the role of females within their own religion is the same thing as when the government denies females the ability have segregated spaces in public spaces.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

Because they aren't scared of trans men. They don't think that trans men are grooming children or that they're a danger to men and children. They do claim that trans women are grooming children and are a danger to women and children so they want trans women to use men's bathrooms.

Hm, I wonder why you think that “they” are scared of trans men but not trans women? What ever could the reason for that be?

Irrational fear of penises caused by prior trauma.

Irrational fear of penises? Or perhaps an understanding of the scientific reality that around 95% of sexual assaults and 85% of physical assaults are committed by biological males with vastly superior physical strength?

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

Because they aren't scared of trans men. They don't think that trans men are grooming children or that they're a danger to men and children. They do claim that trans women are grooming children and are a danger to women and children so they want trans women to use men's bathrooms.

Hm, I wonder why you think that “they” are scared of trans men but not trans women? What ever could the reason for that be?

transmisogyny. It’s a blanket fear of all trans women.

But why only trans women? If fear is the motivation here, Shouldn’t they be more fearful of trans men since men are more violent?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? They don't see trans men as men.

So your point is that they don’t see trans women as women? Why do you think that is the case?

Because they don’t like transgender people and don’t think they should be allowed to transition or participating in society.

There are six levels of quotations here referring to "they". While I appreciate the avoidance of gendered language, can someone explain who "they" is?

Also, today the Southern Baptist Church voted 88%-11% to kick out a church because it supported female pastors. It will be interesting to see if that gets even 1/10 of the attention that John Hopkins' web page did.

Why are you conflating two entirely separate issues?

I don’t care who evangelicals let preach, just like I don’t care who Muslims, Satanists, Hindus or Zoroastrians let preach.

I thought the issue was women's rights. As some have been arguing, the trans community has little power beyond the ability to yell at people. Anti-trans legislators, on the other hand, have real power to make laws which they have been using not only against trans people, but against women in general. This is another case where those with power, in this case a religious institution with considerable influence, has taken clear cut action against women's rights. Something with more impact than a webpage. I expected it might generate, at best, a yawn. But, I was overly optimistic since it actually resulted in me being admonished. Maybe I was wrong about women's rights being the main concern?

No. Your premise is false. The trans community has already demonstrated its power to deny females their rights to define themselves and have the ability have sex segregated spaces like prisons, sports, and rape crisis centers. That is not little power, no?

No one is trying to make females (or males for that matter) adhere to evangelicalism or Islam or any other traditional faith based system. The only faith based system that is being enforced through legislation is transgenderism and gender identity.

You are exaggerating what you believe trans activists have achieved. Very few transwomen are housed in women's prison in the US. Biden just proposed to allow schools to block transgender athletes. You are mimicking JK Rowling's agenda but not one applicable to the US.

Some people are actually attempting to force people to adhere to various religious doctrines. But, even if they weren't, I'd think that a clear cut effort to limit the rights of women would be worth at least a mention by self-proclaimed women's rights proponents. Instead, you it seems you prefer to ignore it.

Where are these people trying to force people to adhere to their religious doctrines through legislation? It appears that you are trying to make the case that evangelicals or Orthodox Jews or Muslims who limit the role of females within their own religion is the same thing as when the government denies females the ability have segregated spaces in public spaces.

I don't believe that I mentioned the word "legislation" at all. But, what legislation has denied females the ability to have segregated public spaces? Compare that to the legislation that has taken away trans rights. For that matter, consider legislation that has no relation to transgender people at all that has taken away women's rights?

Every post you make is more revealing of your true agenda and nothing suggests that women's rights are actually a priority.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I made the “original” “What is a Woman?” plug a few pages ago. I watched the documentary and was blown away by the lack of critical thinking the so-called experts in this field have engaged in. The interviewees were medical doctors (including a transwoman surgeon and pediatrician), therapists, professors of gender studies and a person who transitioned who had tremendous complications. You can attack Matt Walsh all you want, but as I said, he simply provides these experts a platform to make their case. The questions he asked were fair and he was respectful and polite. People can bicker back and forth and regurgitate the same arguments - no one is changing anyone’s mind on this thread. I believe Walsh’s documentary does an excellent job exposing how little thought has gone into modern gender ideology. The visceral reaction to even the most basic of questions tells me that its proponents cannot answer the questions nor do they want anyone asking them thus you are a transphobe or bigot.

Are you a right-wing anti-abortion religious fanatic?

You would’ve been a great interviewee for What is A Woman. About as smart and wired the same way emotionally.