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Hi all,
I’m the OP of this post: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1105572.page and I was wondering if anyone in a similar situation has struggled with feeling empty and having no sense of self (or even having Borderline Personality Disorder). I was born in an East Asian country and immigrated to the US with my parents when I was 5. My entire extended family still lives in our home country, and I'm not close to them at all since I only saw them once every few years growing up. I'm also an only child, so my loneliness was amplified throughout my childhood. Ever since my parents and I moved to the US, we've moved to a different state once every few years. I lived in California, Texas, Illinois, New Jersey, and Georgia. This "military brat" style childhood (even though neither of my parents are in the military) made it really hard for me to have good friends growing up. As a result, I have no friends from my childhood who I still keep in touch with. I guess that's what happens when you go to three different high schools. Making long-lasting friendships was also very difficult for me growing up since my parents really restricted any socializing I did outside of school (as is common for many Asian immigrant parents). My parents did not let me go to playdates or sleepovers as a kid since in their eyes, an hour spent with friends could be an hour spent studying or practicing my instrument or sport. My childhood was a relentless sequence of them tiger parenting me to get into an elite school. My parents frequently beat me for anything less than an A, and I was expected to always be a top student (despite not being that innately intelligent). For example, the first time I took the SAT at the beginning of my junior year of high school, I scored a respectable 1530. My parents screamed at me that this was a horrible score and that I’d need to retake it. I refused and told them that my score was in the 99th percentile. They told me that I was an ungrateful daughter for not wanting to score higher and subsequently shoved a bookshelf onto me to “knock some motivation into you.” When I was a senior in high school, I was deciding between an Ivy League college known for being very competitive and cutthroat while having little sense of community, my state flagship, and a nurturing liberal arts college. My parents forced me to attend the Ivy, and I was miserable during every minute of college. Of course, the fact that my entire junior year was over Zoom while I was living with my parents wasn’t helpful, but I hated being at a cutthroat, careerist, competitive school where students were disinterested in their fellow classmates. I’ve lost touch with everyone from college after only one year post-grad. My parents told me that they would only pay for my college tuition if I majored in an “approved” subject. The summer before I entered college, my parents wrote down every single major offered at my school and sorted them into “approved” and “unapproved” majors. I wanted to major in English or Creative Writing, which unsurprisingly, were unapproved majors. I took a look at the list of approved majors and selected Economics since it was the easiest one; I had no interest in Engineering/CS, and I hated the idea of majoring in Bio/Chem and going to med school. I still took a good number of Creative Writing classes on the side in college; the summer after my freshman year of college, I received a fellowship from my school to live in Brooklyn for the summer while working an underpaid internship in the publishing industry. I realized that everyone else in the publishing world came from generational wealth, and that there was no way that I’d be able to pay off my student loans on a publishing salary. I spent the other two summers in college interning at a tech company and a hedge fund. I managed to snag a full-time offer at a Big 3 consulting firm in DC during my senior year of college. I graduated exactly a year ago and moved to DC in August to start my career. I hate everything about it — the terrible work/life balance, the office culture, my “fratty” coworkers, the actual work itself, the feeling that my job solely exists to make the wealthy even wealthier… But the problem is, I don’t know what else I’d be doing if I quit my current job. I normally work like crazy during the week and sleep in on the weekends, waking up late on Saturdays and Sundays as if I were waking up from a catatonic daze. Recently, I’ve spent my weekends running errands, spending time on Wall Street Oasis trying to figure out less demanding exit opps, and going on underwhelming Hinge dates. Finding lifelong friends in DC is hard; it’s such a transient place. And besides, by the time you’re 23, no one is looking for a life-long group of friends. Most people consider their childhood friends or their college friends their “forever group.” My roommate from freshman year of college is someone I’m still weirdly resentful of. She was a sweet, sensitive, and artistic soul. She hated our competitive and pre-professional Ivy League school and begged her parents to let her transfer. After our freshman year, she transferred to the same nurturing, artistic liberal arts college that I had considered going to as a senior in high school. I was shocked that her parents let her “transfer down” in college prestige that much, and also weirdly jealous and envious of her. She lives in a small, artsy town out West as a film producer now. It’s hard not to be resentful of her, as unhealthy as it is. So here I am at 23 — my life looks fantastic on paper. But I have no close relationships to anyone. I don’t talk to anyone from the three high schools I attended or any of my childhood friends (not that I had many). I am not close to my extended family at all, and I have no siblings while having a distanced relationship with my parents. The other day, I realized that my parents and coworkers were the only people who had texted me in the past four months. This was a terrible realization to come to. To recognize that I have no positive long-term relationships with anyone was really unpleasant. I walked down to the Connecticut Ave bridge and stared at it for a long time, willing myself to try to jump off. I ended up leaving (obviously), but I still feel a tumultuous sense of terror and loneliness every day. I’m technically 23, but I don’t really feel my age. I still feel like a teenager. Or a middle schooler. I perpetually feel empty inside and have little sense of self. Even my therapist dropped me, saying that I have Borderline Personality Disorder and she doesn’t work with BPD clients. This was surprising, as she specializes in DBT (which is the recommended treatment for BPD). I frequently fantasize about moving to New Hampshire to, like, work at the Macdowell Colony or something. But that’s obviously a pipe dream. I wonder if anyone else on DCUM ever feels this way. |
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OP, I really hope you’re doing ok today. What doesn’t make sense to me is that nothing you wrote suggests you have BPD. Can you give us more background on that?
I think MANY people here in DC feel as you do. Your parents have set you up to feel this way even more than the average person. I know work leaves very little energy for hobbies or volunteering. But what can you do to find some personal fulfillment or even a little enjoyment on the weekends? You are young. The whole world is waiting. This will get better! |
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New therapist. You’ve got a lot of inner work to do to allow yourself to be yourself if that makes sense.
I was a mess at 23 and while I didn’t have a similar upbringing I also had deep fear of intimacy, unhealthy sense of drug, was isolated and lonely and both a perfectionist and directionless at the same time. I did eventually built a more authentic life but I was a late bloomer. It’s okay. Finally this sounds weird but can you take a week or so at a spiritual type retreat? I’m not particularly new age (though am interested in psychedelics for mental and emotional health based only on the impact of a dear friend) but I think some time to decompress and listen to inner child might help. Finally I can’t say whether you have bpd. My mother does and her situation was similar only in that she was the only child of extremely intense immigrant parents abs her mother was abusive. For her it comes out in an intense and manipulative neediness (i was parentified very young and now once again I am solely responsible for her) and her drama manifests as constant catastrophizing and demanding the worked stop for her while being unable to nurture or empathize with others (an engulfing black hole of emotional need). The only similarity I see is that you are struggling to develop your own boundaries, sense of self and to connect with others but you can do this. Find a better therapist. Then. Find a new job. Or move .you’re only 23 annd you have some time to explore. Also you don’t owe your parents anything. ( Easier said than done, i know, I still deal with mine and she’s 83 but I set up emotional boundaries). |
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You are not reliant on your parents anymore for financial support. Figure out what you enjoy and make some changes. Just one action can trickle into other areas of your life. Try to see this as a temporary period of transition - it’s not permanent.
You don’t sound borderline, btw. It sounds like you had a bad therapist, and there are MANY of them. You need a good one - try again. |
| Also - you are a survivor of abuse. Your parents were emotionally and physically abusive. |
| You don’t sound borderline. You sound like someone who moved a lot. |
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I think it sounds like you need to figure out how to take some time and find who you are outside of work and your parents' expectations.
I followed my passions in my 20s (and have the lack of income to show for it), but I feel this way sometimes as a parent, like all I am is what I do to get through the days. I don't really have time to nurture friendships, and there's no "me" separate from being a mom and worker anymore. I don't have great advice except that I have a little more time as my kids get older and I prioritize things that make me feel alive (being outside and live music); you could maybe have a little more time if you downshifted to a more reasonable job, but maybe you can plan your weekends to include small pleasures where you enjoy existing in your body. That's the start. I like the PP's idea of a retreat, or somewhere you can just be, but in a safe environment around others if being alone you feel like a threat to yourself. |
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I hate my life too. Us millennials got an even more horrible world. The old people didn't care about climate change, extreme weather, inflation everywhere.
I'm married, 5 years, owns loans, I'm living day by day. I care about others because I was alone as a child too, I feel like if others aren't happy then I can't be happy. I was poor and pushed my friends away, I was shy and they were nice to me. I was molested, harrased by older brother since prek to high school. I'm do glad me and my mom moved here to USA and away from South America, away from the abuser. Hang on in there, this us the country of opportunities, tomorrow is a new day. Embrace the rainy days, they bring rainbows after. I hope you feel better soon! I send you hugs my friend. Even tho I'm married I'm sad to as I'm aging, now I'm on my 30s. Appreciate the small happy moments. If you want a partner go to ok cupid dating site, if you aren't looking then that's fine too. Do more things that makes you happy |
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I agree you need to find a better therapist. Look for PhD and speciality in Borderline…
I’d try getting on this person’s waitlist: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/kate-l-stewart-washington-dc/470428 And see if she’ll give you a 15 min phone consult so she can recommend other people if she’s full. Let her know your past therapist told you she was not qualified to work with you. Some other possibilities: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/elaina-vasserman-stokes-washington-dc/298307 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/gail-kalin-washington-dc/111288 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/meme-rhee-washington-dc/934155 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/sarah-goldman-washington-dc/203114 ^^EMDR can really help. Probably due to the abuse you have some feelings trapped inside you that are too painful to access or express. If you regain and heal those parts of yourself, slowly you will feel more whole and make decisions that nurture and serve you. You deserve to be cared for. You deserve to be happy. Wishing you all the best. |
| OP, I hope you had a good today. I can tell by your post that your are very intelligent and articulate, and have so much to offer. I have a daughter about your age, who just moved to a new city for a new job, and had only one friend there. She made a Bumble Friend-Finder account, and has had "friend dates" with, I think, four other women. They started by just meeting for coffee (and just like on dating apps, you can expect that some of the people ghost you or are flaky about meeting). She now walks at least once a week with one of the women, and has another that she meets for drinks or dinner. There is at least one she met and never scheduled another "date" with because they did not click, but my daughter kept trying with other people. Please try something like this, and good luck! |
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Got cut off: OP, no one wants to be friends with you because you complain about a life that’s objectively amazing. I highly recommend keeping a gratitude journal so you learn to count your blessings and be thankful for what you have. You become less depressed by choosing to be less depressed — the less pity you have for yourself and the more you recognize that YOU have the power to be happy, the happier you’ll be. If you think you’re no longer depressed and start acting in that manner, then you’ll become less depressed; that’s the basis of CBT. I highly recommend keeping a gratitude journal. It will do wonders for your (frankly, off-putting) amounts of self pity. Here are a few things you should be grateful for: -Having a lucrative, prestigious job that 99% of people your age would kill for -Having a college degree from an Ivy -Having enough affordable income for therapy -Being able to afford to live in a lively and dynamic city such as DC Just curious, OP, have you ever worked a minimum wage job in food service? One where you have to ask customers “would you like fries with that?” I suspect not. If you did have that experience under your belt, you’d be a lot more grateful for the things that you have and be way happier with your current station in life. |
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Why does your post have identical phrases that make them sound like they were written by chat bot?
Also, happy belated birthday? |
| Save money and go work in publishing. |