Thrive/ZTA Transparency

[Anonymous]

The opponents call it a power grab, but I think that sane people would say it's just a restoration of the balance. Not sure about anyone else, but I don't recall getting to vote on Thrive 2050, the plan pushed through by the county council and the now resigned (for ethics violations) planning board. If the YIMBYs think that it's so good, what's wrong with putting some light on the process? What are they trying to hide? Why did they ignore the recommendations of their own consultants?

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2022/12/12/miranda-spivack-greater-transparency-necessary-for-montgomery-county-development-decisions/

[Anonymous]

You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

It’s not how it works anywhere else in MD except PG County, nor in DC or VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The entire Thrive scam was pushed through without the approval of the county executive...and he simply wanted to slow it down for further review, as was recommended by several groups, some of whom were contracted by the planning board itself. They well knew that if it wasn't passed right away and the plan was subject to a thorough review, it never would have passed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The entire Thrive scam was pushed through without the approval of the county executive...and he simply wanted to slow it down for further review, as was recommended by several groups, some of whom were contracted by the planning board itself. They well knew that if it wasn't passed right away and the plan was subject to a thorough review, it never would have passed.

The plan was subject to a thorough review. How do I know this? Because everyone kept saying the same things about it, over and over and over and over and over, for month after month after month. Years, really. I was hoping that once it was passed, we wouldn't have to hear everyone say the same things about it for even more months, but obviously that was a vain hope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The entire Thrive scam was pushed through without the approval of the county executive...and he simply wanted to slow it down for further review, as was recommended by several groups, some of whom were contracted by the planning board itself. They well knew that if it wasn't passed right away and the plan was subject to a thorough review, it never would have passed.

The plan was subject to a thorough review. How do I know this? Because everyone kept saying the same things about it, over and over and over and over and over, for month after month after month. Years, really. I was hoping that once it was passed, we wouldn't have to hear everyone say the same things about it for even more months, but obviously that was a vain hope.

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The only thing I ever hear about thrive from its opponents are complaints about the process. But I've been hearing about thrive for years and I'm not plugged in at all. They've been doing this all out in the open. Move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The executive does not appoint the planning board or make development decisions. If you think there’s too little or too much development,, take it up with the council.

It’s funny to see the YIMBYs rise up in defense of planning. The whole agency and system were designed to perpetuate segregation. I don’t think the people who work there now are racists but it’s pretty hard to do something different when the system is set up to perpetuate segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The executive does not appoint the planning board or make development decisions. If you think there’s too little or too much development,, take it up with the council.

It’s funny to see the YIMBYs rise up in defense of planning. The whole agency and system were designed to perpetuate segregation. I don’t think the people who work there now are racists but it’s pretty hard to do something different when the system is set up to perpetuate segregation.

What’s ironic is that if Hans Riemer won, these same YIMBYs would be saying the exact opposite.

The reality is that the MNCPPC was created to be unaccountable to serve narrow interests (initially segregation as you point out and current as a jobs program for land use lawyers and development consultants) and as a result it had spent its entire history perpetuating scandal after scandal. If there is anyone to blame for the sorry state of the MoCo economy, the buck stops at the MNCPPC.

Reform is necessary and the YIMBYs need to accept that Mark Elrich will be the one in charge when that reform happens. Win am election and they can be the ones in charge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The executive does not appoint the planning board or make development decisions. If you think there’s too little or too much development,, take it up with the council.

It’s funny to see the YIMBYs rise up in defense of planning. The whole agency and system were designed to perpetuate segregation. I don’t think the people who work there now are racists but it’s pretty hard to do something different when the system is set up to perpetuate segregation.

What’s ironic is that if Hans Riemer won, these same YIMBYs would be saying the exact opposite.

The reality is that the MNCPPC was created to be unaccountable to serve narrow interests (initially segregation as you point out and current as a jobs program for land use lawyers and development consultants) and as a result it had spent its entire history perpetuating scandal after scandal. If there is anyone to blame for the sorry state of the MoCo economy, the buck stops at the MNCPPC.

Reform is necessary and the YIMBYs need to accept that Mark Elrich will be the one in charge when that reform happens. Win am election and they can be the ones in charge.

Honestly, you don't sound like you're on the winning side. You sound like the YIMBYs have found affordable housing in your head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The executive does not appoint the planning board or make development decisions. If you think there’s too little or too much development,, take it up with the council.

It’s funny to see the YIMBYs rise up in defense of planning. The whole agency and system were designed to perpetuate segregation. I don’t think the people who work there now are racists but it’s pretty hard to do something different when the system is set up to perpetuate segregation.

What’s ironic is that if Hans Riemer won, these same YIMBYs would be saying the exact opposite.

The reality is that the MNCPPC was created to be unaccountable to serve narrow interests (initially segregation as you point out and current as a jobs program for land use lawyers and development consultants) and as a result it had spent its entire history perpetuating scandal after scandal. If there is anyone to blame for the sorry state of the MoCo economy, the buck stops at the MNCPPC.

Reform is necessary and the YIMBYs need to accept that Mark Elrich will be the one in charge when that reform happens. Win am election and they can be the ones in charge.

Honestly, you don't sound like you're on the winning side. You sound like the YIMBYs have found affordable housing in your head.

And this is why Hans Riemer got destroyed. He was a mendacious liar only supported by a bunch of immature children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The executive does not appoint the planning board or make development decisions. If you think there’s too little or too much development,, take it up with the council.

It’s funny to see the YIMBYs rise up in defense of planning. The whole agency and system were designed to perpetuate segregation. I don’t think the people who work there now are racists but it’s pretty hard to do something different when the system is set up to perpetuate segregation.

What’s ironic is that if Hans Riemer won, these same YIMBYs would be saying the exact opposite.

The reality is that the MNCPPC was created to be unaccountable to serve narrow interests (initially segregation as you point out and current as a jobs program for land use lawyers and development consultants) and as a result it had spent its entire history perpetuating scandal after scandal. If there is anyone to blame for the sorry state of the MoCo economy, the buck stops at the MNCPPC.

Reform is necessary and the YIMBYs need to accept that Mark Elrich will be the one in charge when that reform happens. Win am election and they can be the ones in charge.

Thank you! If it's the sound plan they make it out to be, a little bit of adult supervision can't hurt. What's are they hiding? I'd invite anyone to take a look at their "YIMBY" Facebook groups...nothing could more bolster my argument than reading theirs firsthand.

In the meantime, I'll remain skeptical that the ability to build three rental units next door to me is an improvement to my neighborhood. Seems that their big plan is to make affordable housing by regressing property values to the mean. Triple the people, triple the cars, triple the school children, none of the sense of community that the previous SFH owners had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The executive does not appoint the planning board or make development decisions. If you think there’s too little or too much development,, take it up with the council.

It’s funny to see the YIMBYs rise up in defense of planning. The whole agency and system were designed to perpetuate segregation. I don’t think the people who work there now are racists but it’s pretty hard to do something different when the system is set up to perpetuate segregation.

What’s ironic is that if Hans Riemer won, these same YIMBYs would be saying the exact opposite.

The reality is that the MNCPPC was created to be unaccountable to serve narrow interests (initially segregation as you point out and current as a jobs program for land use lawyers and development consultants) and as a result it had spent its entire history perpetuating scandal after scandal. If there is anyone to blame for the sorry state of the MoCo economy, the buck stops at the MNCPPC.

Reform is necessary and the YIMBYs need to accept that Mark Elrich will be the one in charge when that reform happens. Win am election and they can be the ones in charge.

Thank you! If it's the sound plan they make it out to be, a little bit of adult supervision can't hurt. What's are they hiding? I'd invite anyone to take a look at their "YIMBY" Facebook groups...nothing could more bolster my argument than reading theirs firsthand.

In the meantime, I'll remain skeptical that the ability to build three rental units next door to me is an improvement to my neighborhood. Seems that their big plan is to make affordable housing by regressing property values to the mean. Triple the people, triple the cars, triple the school children, none of the sense of community that the previous SFH owners had.

Don't worry, you'll be able to sell your property at a higher price to someone who plans to build a triplex on it, and it will be a win-win for everybody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The executive does not appoint the planning board or make development decisions. If you think there’s too little or too much development,, take it up with the council.

It’s funny to see the YIMBYs rise up in defense of planning. The whole agency and system were designed to perpetuate segregation. I don’t think the people who work there now are racists but it’s pretty hard to do something different when the system is set up to perpetuate segregation.

What’s ironic is that if Hans Riemer won, these same YIMBYs would be saying the exact opposite.

The reality is that the MNCPPC was created to be unaccountable to serve narrow interests (initially segregation as you point out and current as a jobs program for land use lawyers and development consultants) and as a result it had spent its entire history perpetuating scandal after scandal. If there is anyone to blame for the sorry state of the MoCo economy, the buck stops at the MNCPPC.

Reform is necessary and the YIMBYs need to accept that Mark Elrich will be the one in charge when that reform happens. Win am election and they can be the ones in charge.

Thank you! If it's the sound plan they make it out to be, a little bit of adult supervision can't hurt. What's are they hiding? I'd invite anyone to take a look at their "YIMBY" Facebook groups...nothing could more bolster my argument than reading theirs firsthand.

In the meantime, I'll remain skeptical that the ability to build three rental units next door to me is an improvement to my neighborhood. Seems that their big plan is to make affordable housing by regressing property values to the mean. Triple the people, triple the cars, triple the school children, none of the sense of community that the previous SFH owners had.

Don't worry, you'll be able to sell your property at a higher price to someone who plans to build a triplex on it, and it will be a win-win for everybody.

How does everyone getting rich off real estate create more “attainable” housing? If the land price goes up then the price of a unit in the tri-plex goes up and it defeats everything that people say the Thrive is supposed to do. Hmmmmm.

[Anonymous]

The YIMBYs don’t seem to be terribly smart or economically savvy, just masochists willing to sacrifice their own neighborhoods (and yours!) for some imagined good, based on feelings.

Yes, you’ll be able to get a pretty penny from a developer, for a while, anyway. The first one that gets sold and converted, sure. But then when the neighbors want to sell, they sure as hell aren’t going to get what they could have previously as a SFH. If you were buying a house, would you pay the same to buy a house next door to a rental triplex?

Maybe then a developer offers you market value, and now there are six rental units. Any guesses as to the value of property on the street now? Or even down the street as traffic increases? As schools get more crowded? If it happens it will spread like a cancer. When this fails miserably and spectacularly the YIMBYs will just look around and say WELL AT LEAST WE TRIED, and then pat themselves on the back as wealth flees the county. A stupid idea is still an idea, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You voted for the County Executive and County Council. They appointed the Planning Board. The Planning Board and the County Council voted on Thrive. That's how it works in a representative democracy.

The executive does not appoint the planning board or make development decisions. If you think there’s too little or too much development,, take it up with the council.

It’s funny to see the YIMBYs rise up in defense of planning. The whole agency and system were designed to perpetuate segregation. I don’t think the people who work there now are racists but it’s pretty hard to do something different when the system is set up to perpetuate segregation.

What’s ironic is that if Hans Riemer won, these same YIMBYs would be saying the exact opposite.

The reality is that the MNCPPC was created to be unaccountable to serve narrow interests (initially segregation as you point out and current as a jobs program for land use lawyers and development consultants) and as a result it had spent its entire history perpetuating scandal after scandal. If there is anyone to blame for the sorry state of the MoCo economy, the buck stops at the MNCPPC.

Reform is necessary and the YIMBYs need to accept that Mark Elrich will be the one in charge when that reform happens. Win am election and they can be the ones in charge.

Thank you! If it's the sound plan they make it out to be, a little bit of adult supervision can't hurt. What's are they hiding? I'd invite anyone to take a look at their "YIMBY" Facebook groups...nothing could more bolster my argument than reading theirs firsthand.

In the meantime, I'll remain skeptical that the ability to build three rental units next door to me is an improvement to my neighborhood. Seems that their big plan is to make affordable housing by regressing property values to the mean. Triple the people, triple the cars, triple the school children, none of the sense of community that the previous SFH owners had.

Don't worry, you'll be able to sell your property at a higher price to someone who plans to build a triplex on it, and it will be a win-win for everybody.

How does everyone getting rich off real estate create more “attainable” housing? If the land price goes up then the price of a unit in the tri-plex goes up and it defeats everything that people say the Thrive is supposed to do. Hmmmmm.

Because 3 units are three times as many housing units as 1 unit.