Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:We just watched Wootton families act like the gangsters they think my kids are as they bullied the board. Ballsy move that would only be made by highly entitled individuals that think they are untouchable.

What exactly did they do to bully the board? Most of them spoke within their allotted time, one of them might have gone slightly over their time, and one of them may have been a bit overzealous.

But is it any different then when other community members come to speak and have support in the background? Like the Crown and Fields Road families from a couple of weeks ago and they had everyone wearing the yellow vests and there were some today too.

How is one group different then the other? Or were they both trying to bully the board?

it’s only bullying when Wootton parents do it, for everyone else it’s just standing up and advocating for their kids.

This!!!

Read this parent whose lobbying to not fund other schools repairs for Wootton. They aren't advocating for their kids as if they were they'd take the new school. https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DMVQRQ6A7E72/$file/Junhua%20Liu%20Testimony%20102825.pdf

Can you quote the part of her letter where you believe she's "lobbying to not fund other schools repairs for Wootton?"

I found it in the section where they referenced the per pupil cost for Highland compared to Wootton.

I kind of read it as them just looking at the numbers and not really realizing how it their analysis might be taken.

So maybe a booksmart but not really socially savvy. Especially given the part where they mention that Cold Spring made it onto the CIP and it's been established in a couple of threads on here that it's really small school that doesn't serve a large population. So the funds for that school could've benefited more students elsewhere. Similar with what that person was saying about Highland.

OK, then we agree that she WASN'T "lobbying to not fund other schools repairs for Wootton."

Maybe but I'm also not the person you were originally replying to, so don't need to convince me or anything lol. I had to read it twice to find what the other poster was mentioning and can see why they took it that way. And who knows maybe the speaker really was trying to do that. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they were just looking at things from a numbers standpoint and no one advised them that it was a bad idea to put comparisons like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of the Wootton name, and getting rid of a top performing school is what the BOE and Mont County Gov would call "equity". The Wootton parents can just pay for private schools if they don't like it. if you are a Wootton parent, perhaps you should consider this when voting BOE and county positions.

I can’t afford private schools for my kids. I need to save for their college tuition

The only people I know in the Wootton cluster who would be able to pay for private are the ones that only have one kid. We also can’t afford it. A lot of people on this thread think Wootton parents are very rich apparently.

You are saying you are rich and being exclusive because of your expensive houses. You are very rich. You just are house poor or not managing your money well.

You’re wrong about house price. Majority of Wootton houses are around 1 million and when we bought them they costed 700-800k. It’s not more expensive, it’s just poorer and older condition than those in Gaithersburg

700-800 is still a lot of money. You can sell and buy a house for 600, and use that extra 400 for college or private.

You’re just being ridiculous. Go look around and see what kind of houses you can buy for 600 in this county and tell me if they can send kids to private.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny because I actually thought that letter writer had a point in that I’m not sure rebuilding Highland View passes an ROI test, with declining enrollment/capacity at other ES’s.

But then she goes and loses all credibility by supporting rebuilding Cold Spring. LOL

Not ok to say don't fund a lower income school and fund a "rich" school instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of the Wootton name, and getting rid of a top performing school is what the BOE and Mont County Gov would call "equity". The Wootton parents can just pay for private schools if they don't like it. if you are a Wootton parent, perhaps you should consider this when voting BOE and county positions.

I can’t afford private schools for my kids. I need to save for their college tuition

The only people I know in the Wootton cluster who would be able to pay for private are the ones that only have one kid. We also can’t afford it. A lot of people on this thread think Wootton parents are very rich apparently.

You are saying you are rich and being exclusive because of your expensive houses. You are very rich. You just are house poor or not managing your money well.

You’re wrong about house price. Majority of Wootton houses are around 1 million and when we bought them they costed 700-800k. It’s not more expensive, it’s just poorer and older condition than those in Gaithersburg

700-800 is still a lot of money. You can sell and buy a house for 600, and use that extra 400 for college or private.

You’re just being ridiculous. Go look around and see what kind of houses you can buy for 600 in this county and tell me if they can send kids to private.

I know what it can buy. That's the choice we made so we aren't worrying about things like college. Yes, we can send our kids to private and may send the youngest if the regional plan goes through. And, pay for college and grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the affordable W school

Which is why it's the easier target and the one always beat up on.

As previous poster mentioned, once can choose to settle for a little bit less for the money in choosing Wootton vs some other areas.

And the same can be said for choosing Wootton over some of the other richer areas.

But this whole process shows what areas are more protected and in hindsight it is apparent, where some of the schools there don't have to deal with some of the nonsense that some of the Wootton cluster schools did. Those Wayside parents sure didn't want to get zoned to Wootton.

So it may very well be worth it to move to an even older/smaller home in these richer areas but also have more protection against these kinds of things.

No one is targeting or beating up on Wootton. Wootton is just being unrealistic about the boundary situation and crying about it.

First it was unfair that Dufief has to leave the cluster
Second was it is unfair that the school is falling apart
Third is that it is unfair that Wootton needs to move to a new building
Fourth is that it is unfair that Gaithersburg students will be at the new building with Wootton.

Wootton boundaries are right along where the area with Crown. There will be changes to Wootton. You all need to be realistic about the situation.

Why don’t you say something when wayside or Potomac ES doesn’t want to move to Wootton? Everyone is complaining the same thing. Fallsgrove doesn’t want to move to crown. Fields road doesn’t want to move to Gaithersburg. Diamond doesn’t want to move to crown. Nobody is that different. But you just keep bashing Wootton because it’s an easy target.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny because I actually thought that letter writer had a point in that I’m not sure rebuilding Highland View passes an ROI test, with declining enrollment/capacity at other ES’s.

But then she goes and loses all credibility by supporting rebuilding Cold Spring. LOL

Not ok to say don't fund a lower income school and fund a "rich" school instead.

Why? If the "rich" school is in worse condition it should be prioritized.

Its not, and that's the point. They haven't come out with all the school survey's for condition so there may be schools in much worse shape.

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Anonymous wrote:We just watched Wootton families act like the gangsters they think my kids are as they bullied the board. Ballsy move that would only be made by highly entitled individuals that think they are untouchable.

What exactly did they do to bully the board? Most of them spoke within their allotted time, one of them might have gone slightly over their time, and one of them may have been a bit overzealous.

But is it any different then when other community members come to speak and have support in the background? Like the Crown and Fields Road families from a couple of weeks ago and they had everyone wearing the yellow vests and there were some today too.

How is one group different then the other? Or were they both trying to bully the board?

it’s only bullying when Wootton parents do it, for everyone else it’s just standing up and advocating for their kids.

This!!!

Read this parent whose lobbying to not fund other schools repairs for Wootton. They aren't advocating for their kids as if they were they'd take the new school. https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DMVQRQ6A7E72/$file/Junhua%20Liu%20Testimony%20102825.pdf

Can you quote the part of her letter where you believe she's "lobbying to not fund other schools repairs for Wootton?"

I found it in the section where they referenced the per pupil cost for Highland compared to Wootton.

I kind of read it as them just looking at the numbers and not really realizing how it their analysis might be taken.

So maybe a booksmart but not really socially savvy. Especially given the part where they mention that Cold Spring made it onto the CIP and it's been established in a couple of threads on here that it's really small school that doesn't serve a large population. So the funds for that school could've benefited more students elsewhere. Similar with what that person was saying about Highland.

No. If you support building a new elementary school for 300 students in a cluster with <75% ES utilization, you are not booksmart.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of the Wootton name, and getting rid of a top performing school is what the BOE and Mont County Gov would call "equity". The Wootton parents can just pay for private schools if they don't like it. if you are a Wootton parent, perhaps you should consider this when voting BOE and county positions.

I can’t afford private schools for my kids. I need to save for their college tuition

The only people I know in the Wootton cluster who would be able to pay for private are the ones that only have one kid. We also can’t afford it. A lot of people on this thread think Wootton parents are very rich apparently.

You are saying you are rich and being exclusive because of your expensive houses. You are very rich. You just are house poor or not managing your money well.

You’re wrong about house price. Majority of Wootton houses are around 1 million and when we bought them they costed 700-800k. It’s not more expensive, it’s just poorer and older condition than those in Gaithersburg

700-800 is still a lot of money. You can sell and buy a house for 600, and use that extra 400 for college or private.

You’re just being ridiculous. Go look around and see what kind of houses you can buy for 600 in this county and tell me if they can send kids to private.

Here's a Wootton house:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/413-Hurley-Ave_Rockville_MD_20850_M51730-57754

Here are more in Rockville, Silver Spring and other areas:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Montgomery-County_MD/type-condo,single-family-home/55p-hide/price-6-600000?cid=sem_149490225_674908969_1239150624621661_77447045697431:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!15120!3!!b!!o!!ClusterB%20county%20type-condo,townhome&gclsrc=3p.ds

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Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of the Wootton name, and getting rid of a top performing school is what the BOE and Mont County Gov would call "equity". The Wootton parents can just pay for private schools if they don't like it. if you are a Wootton parent, perhaps you should consider this when voting BOE and county positions.

I can’t afford private schools for my kids. I need to save for their college tuition

The only people I know in the Wootton cluster who would be able to pay for private are the ones that only have one kid. We also can’t afford it. A lot of people on this thread think Wootton parents are very rich apparently.

You are saying you are rich and being exclusive because of your expensive houses. You are very rich. You just are house poor or not managing your money well.

You’re wrong about house price. Majority of Wootton houses are around 1 million and when we bought them they costed 700-800k. It’s not more expensive, it’s just poorer and older condition than those in Gaithersburg

700-800 is still a lot of money. You can sell and buy a house for 600, and use that extra 400 for college or private.

You’re just being ridiculous. Go look around and see what kind of houses you can buy for 600 in this county and tell me if they can send kids to private.

I know what it can buy. That's the choice we made so we aren't worrying about things like college. Yes, we can send our kids to private and may send the youngest if the regional plan goes through. And, pay for college and grad school.

All we are saying is that Wootton is not rich and many of us sacrificed the condition of house to just to buy in Wootton. And then you just keep telling us to sell the house and send to private? Maybe you can make the personal choice to send to private and live a very frugal life. But we don’t think it’s smart to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of the Wootton name, and getting rid of a top performing school is what the BOE and Mont County Gov would call "equity". The Wootton parents can just pay for private schools if they don't like it. if you are a Wootton parent, perhaps you should consider this when voting BOE and county positions.

I can’t afford private schools for my kids. I need to save for their college tuition

The only people I know in the Wootton cluster who would be able to pay for private are the ones that only have one kid. We also can’t afford it. A lot of people on this thread think Wootton parents are very rich apparently.

You are saying you are rich and being exclusive because of your expensive houses. You are very rich. You just are house poor or not managing your money well.

You’re wrong about house price. Majority of Wootton houses are around 1 million and when we bought them they costed 700-800k. It’s not more expensive, it’s just poorer and older condition than those in Gaithersburg

700-800 is still a lot of money. You can sell and buy a house for 600, and use that extra 400 for college or private.

You’re just being ridiculous. Go look around and see what kind of houses you can buy for 600 in this county and tell me if they can send kids to private.

Here's a Wootton house:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/413-Hurley-Ave_Rockville_MD_20850_M51730-57754

Here are more in Rockville, Silver Spring and other areas:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Montgomery-County_MD/type-condo,single-family-home/55p-hide/price-6-600000?cid=sem_149490225_674908969_1239150624621661_77447045697431:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!15120!3!!b!!o!!ClusterB%20county%20type-condo,townhome&gclsrc=3p.ds

You seriously believe people who live in these houses can send kids to private?

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the affordable W school

Which is why it's the easier target and the one always beat up on.

As previous poster mentioned, once can choose to settle for a little bit less for the money in choosing Wootton vs some other areas.

And the same can be said for choosing Wootton over some of the other richer areas.

But this whole process shows what areas are more protected and in hindsight it is apparent, where some of the schools there don't have to deal with some of the nonsense that some of the Wootton cluster schools did. Those Wayside parents sure didn't want to get zoned to Wootton.

So it may very well be worth it to move to an even older/smaller home in these richer areas but also have more protection against these kinds of things.

No one is targeting or beating up on Wootton. Wootton is just being unrealistic about the boundary situation and crying about it.

First it was unfair that Dufief has to leave the cluster
Second was it is unfair that the school is falling apart
Third is that it is unfair that Wootton needs to move to a new building
Fourth is that it is unfair that Gaithersburg students will be at the new building with Wootton.

Wootton boundaries are right along where the area with Crown. There will be changes to Wootton. You all need to be realistic about the situation.

Why don’t you say something when wayside or Potomac ES doesn’t want to move to Wootton? Everyone is complaining the same thing. Fallsgrove doesn’t want to move to crown. Fields road doesn’t want to move to Gaithersburg. Diamond doesn’t want to move to crown. Nobody is that different. But you just keep bashing Wootton because it’s an easy target.

No one cares about Wootton and people are only commenting as they are unreasonable. They will not take crown nor wait their turn for repairs (and they have gotten regular repairs).

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny because I actually thought that letter writer had a point in that I’m not sure rebuilding Highland View passes an ROI test, with declining enrollment/capacity at other ES’s.

But then she goes and loses all credibility by supporting rebuilding Cold Spring. LOL

Not ok to say don't fund a lower income school and fund a "rich" school instead.

Why? If the "rich" school is in worse condition it should be prioritized.

Neither are a great use of money. But given utilization rates in their respective clusters, Cold Spring has even less ROI than HV.

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Anonymous wrote:When someone testifies about how their kid can walk to elementary and middle school but the mean mean MCPS is going to fracture their community by making them take :gasp: a bus to high school like the majority of kids in Montgomery County they definitely sound pretty freaking entitled.

If you already are walking and then you are being forced to take a bus to a school further away than it’s an issue. It’s not the same as when you were always gonna be bussed. But you know that.

1) "then", not "than" 2) on a scale of 1-10, how big an issue is the mode of transportation you take to get you to your school?

People who aren't autistic know that typos and text to speech translation errors occur and there's no way to go back and edit comments on DCUM. You're welcome.

And 95% of the county is against bussing. So it's a big issue.

Not the PP but "people who aren't autistic"---gimme a break, your non-affirming, compulsory neuronormativity is showing. Furthermore, "bussing" as is typically described in these scenarios is quite different from going less than 2 miles down the road.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the affordable W school

Which is why it's the easier target and the one always beat up on.

As previous poster mentioned, once can choose to settle for a little bit less for the money in choosing Wootton vs some other areas.

And the same can be said for choosing Wootton over some of the other richer areas.

But this whole process shows what areas are more protected and in hindsight it is apparent, where some of the schools there don't have to deal with some of the nonsense that some of the Wootton cluster schools did. Those Wayside parents sure didn't want to get zoned to Wootton.

So it may very well be worth it to move to an even older/smaller home in these richer areas but also have more protection against these kinds of things.

No one is targeting or beating up on Wootton. Wootton is just being unrealistic about the boundary situation and crying about it.

First it was unfair that Dufief has to leave the cluster
Second was it is unfair that the school is falling apart
Third is that it is unfair that Wootton needs to move to a new building
Fourth is that it is unfair that Gaithersburg students will be at the new building with Wootton.

Wootton boundaries are right along where the area with Crown. There will be changes to Wootton. You all need to be realistic about the situation.

Changes like:
being moved to a new building miles from the original
a new name
new student cohort
new teachers
new admin
new programs
leveling the old Wootton

Apart from those things it'll be EXACTLY THE SAME.

The bolded has no basis in fact.
If Wootton were moved to a holding school for a year while the current building was leveled and a new building in its place, would you have an issue? No. So that is not a thing.
There may be an additional student cohort, not splitting up the current one.

So yes, there will be changes- many students very much inconvenienced by traveling to a new location. That is real. Yes, there will be a new name, but I can't see the meaningful argument for why that matters much. And...tell me why additional students is a bad thing?

Of course there will be teacher and admin turnover. That's what happens when a school closes and another opens. As for students, they're proposing to add a couple extra ES and they'll probably remove an ES or two which changes the cohort. Change is bad when things are working well and Wooton is one of the state's best high schools. Just admit that you hate the W schools and want to see them eliminated.

That's not why there would be turnover. There is turnover yearly at every school. Usually, teachers want closer to home, better admin, teaching their actual classes they were train for, etc.

Your kids will be ok if they add another ES. Its a good learning lesson for them to be in the real world with actual low income and not just rich pretending they are low income.

I'm glad we agree that when a school closes and a new one opens there are reasons new teachers might to want to teach there or existing teachers might find it too far and this will cause more turnover than usual. And you outed yourself as an anti-W school, pro-busser with "Its a good learning lesson for them to be in the real world with actual low income."

Yeah I'm not a fan of them and is a reason why we purposely avoided some of the richer areas... Yes we're one of the ones that could've afforded to live somewhere more expensive but didn't want our kids in that environment.

But some people honestly can live in a segregated world and that's their world. And it's fine. It's just different worlds and classes.

But some of these "anti-W school" people think that their point of view or world is the right way and how everyone should do and see things.

It goes back to the debate about county wide magnet programs. Some of these students are coming out and benefiting society and leading change. Whereas a lot of posters on here are saying that enrichment isn't needed for these types of students and the focus should be for the greater population who are struggling.

It's the same point of view when it comes to wanting to tear down W schools or forcing mixed demographics or integration. If they do that, can they guarantee the same level of academic rigor and standards that some of these families were looking for in choosing an area to live in and send their kids to?

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Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of the Wootton name, and getting rid of a top performing school is what the BOE and Mont County Gov would call "equity". The Wootton parents can just pay for private schools if they don't like it. if you are a Wootton parent, perhaps you should consider this when voting BOE and county positions.

I can’t afford private schools for my kids. I need to save for their college tuition

The only people I know in the Wootton cluster who would be able to pay for private are the ones that only have one kid. We also can’t afford it. A lot of people on this thread think Wootton parents are very rich apparently.

You are saying you are rich and being exclusive because of your expensive houses. You are very rich. You just are house poor or not managing your money well.

You’re wrong about house price. Majority of Wootton houses are around 1 million and when we bought them they costed 700-800k. It’s not more expensive, it’s just poorer and older condition than those in Gaithersburg

700-800 is still a lot of money. You can sell and buy a house for 600, and use that extra 400 for college or private.

You’re just being ridiculous. Go look around and see what kind of houses you can buy for 600 in this county and tell me if they can send kids to private.

I know what it can buy. That's the choice we made so we aren't worrying about things like college. Yes, we can send our kids to private and may send the youngest if the regional plan goes through. And, pay for college and grad school.

oh what’s wrong with the public where you bought????? Too high of FARMS? But I thought that was good for the kids? So why aren’t you sending all your kids to your local public school??????