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Anonymous wrote:This is part of them (him) getting their voice(s) back. That said, he will probably regret this in a few decades. Memoirs are best written with the wisdom of many years lived and, as someone else pointed out, when most people who might be hurt have passed. At least the Queen didn’t live to witness this.

He has no filter. Nobody needs to overshare this much to have a voice. Even the most obnoxious oversharers on social media aren't this pathetic. This is something else entirely. He's deeply disturbed.

Not as disturbed as he's going to be when he has to spend the rest of his life in hiding from jihadists.

+1. Look at what happened to Rushdie. He is his own worst enemy.

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Anonymous wrote:The age of sexual consent in the UK is 16 isn’t it? Harry’s horse loving cougar isn’t going to be thrown into the Tower of London!

He doesn’t say what age he lost his virginity. I don’t know what the rules in the UK are but here in the USA a big age discrepancy can be statutory rape.

+1. Calling someone who violently deflowered a teenager in a field a cougar is glamorizing predatory sexual behavior.

Harry glamorised the encounter by his use of utterly brazen language and he seemed to have instigated the main deed “ I mounted her quickly”.

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Anonymous wrote:The age of sexual consent in the UK is 16 isn’t it? Harry’s horse loving cougar isn’t going to be thrown into the Tower of London!

He doesn’t say what age he lost his virginity. I don’t know what the rules in the UK are but here in the USA a big age discrepancy can be statutory rape.

+1. Calling someone who violently deflowered a teenager in a field a cougar is glamorizing predatory sexual behavior.

Harry glamorised the encounter by his use of utterly brazen language and he seemed to have instigated the main deed “ I mounted her quickly”.

He called it a “humiliating episode.” Not sure what excerpts you’ve been reading. If it had been a teenage girl having their virginity taken in a field by a man double her age, you wouldn’t be calling this “glamorous”.

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Anonymous wrote:If H wanted a family, why not embrace M's? Oh wait, she's on the outs (or paying them). How is this different?

As far as leaks, M was leaking so much she couldn't hold water. But no one else can leak? GMAF

These two deserve what they get.

Well it does seem he might be close to her mom?

And Meghan is close to her niece. You know the niece who considers Meghan a big sister and her own bio mom a POS.

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Anonymous wrote:The age of sexual consent in the UK is 16 isn’t it? Harry’s horse loving cougar isn’t going to be thrown into the Tower of London!

He doesn’t say what age he lost his virginity. I don’t know what the rules in the UK are but here in the USA a big age discrepancy can be statutory rape.

+1. Calling someone who violently deflowered a teenager in a field a cougar is glamorizing predatory sexual behavior.

Harry glamorised the encounter by his use of utterly brazen language and he seemed to have instigated the main deed “ I mounted her quickly”.

He called it a “humiliating episode.” Not sure what excerpts you’ve been reading. If it had been a teenage girl having their virginity taken in a field by a man double her age, you wouldn’t be calling this “glamorous”.

Seems like the editor added that line. Until then, he seems rather proud.

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Anonymous wrote:The account of the altercation, frankly, paints Harry in a light that's too precious to sympathize with. I mean William's not much better but at least his vices are easy to understand.

But Harry? The broken necklace? the broken dog bowl? (what's it made of, crystal? what type of dog bowl breaks when a man falls on top of it?) The shards cutting his delicate skin? The therapist on speed dial?

It's all a bit much.

It’s insane. It doesn’t hold water with how fights happen.

At least he admits that Will came back and apologized. Siblings fight. So
What. The fact he is airing this simply for money is beyond the pale. Beyond.

Why would Will and Kate ever ever trust them again. Harry will just sell the stories again when he needs money or attention.

Where does he go from here? Nowhere. And good riddance.

Seems like the feeling is mutual. Harry doesn’t trust his brother. Nowhere to go? Are you serious. He didn’t have anything in the UK. Nobody had his back there that’s why he felt the need to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:I had wondered about the big picture of H (and M) trashing his family and the long term prospect of the BRF. Here's an article that touches on that:

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3784176-the-trouble-with-harry-and-meghan/

Assigning them responsibility for UK national security is a bit much, don't you think? They're well on their way to becoming C-list celebrities. Who really cares abut any of this drivel, beyond the mild entertainment offered by salacious petty gossip.

+1 In fact Britain might be more secure as a true democracy, rather than bowing and curtsying to a bunch of mediocre inbred German descendants.

+2 Referring to Charles's figurehead-only-role as military head is ridiculous.

Which is more ridiculous, having Trump as Commander-in-Chief or Biden?

Neither. Y'all are being ridiculous. We have a head of state. The UK has a head of state. These are important, respected roles.

You don't seem the grasp the fundamental difference between the two. The British monarch doesn't make any military decisions; that role has been officially remanded to the Prime Minister and Defence Office. He is kept informed but has no real authority beyond approving military appointments at a certain rank.

+1 The King has his role due to the accident of his birth. While is fundamentally unmeritocratic and undemocratic in this new millennia. Kind of backwards if you will.

Having continuity rather than a new head of state every 4 or 8 years is not a worse way of doing things. Stability in these unstable times is important.

Mid course you’re right. China, Russia and the likes have great stability

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602551/Prince-Harrys-book-William-pointed-finger-Meghan-called-rude.html
I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

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He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry didn’t want to inherit. He just didn’t want the family to leak negative stories about his wife to the press in order to shield themselves from other stories (like keeping Andrew around). William clearly did this through Jason Knauf. Knauf admitted it in a deposition.

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I don’t get why so many people on here ignore Harry’s basic complaint about this. Or the fact that it was his own father and brother doing this to him. What a betrayal. How would you feel if your brother trashed your new wife to the entire world?!

On more everyday level, how would you feel if your sibling spread a negative rumor about your spouse around to your extended social circle? You would say, “oh that’s fine, she’s two years older than me so whatever she wants” ??

My problem is I don’t believe Harry or Meghan because they lie. Her lies were substantiated in court. You’re misrepresenting Knauf’s deposition as well.

DP. You are the liar. H&M one their case.

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Anonymous wrote:If H wanted a family, why not embrace M's? Oh wait, she's on the outs (or paying them). How is this different?

As far as leaks, M was leaking so much she couldn't hold water. But no one else can leak? GMAF

These two deserve what they get.

Well it does seem he might be close to her mom?

Who walked out on Megan as a child and seemed to be absent from a big part of her life. Who also appears to be where Megan got the whole grifting lifestyle she embraces. Doria is being paid to be family at this point and if the money train stops, so will she.

Where are you getting your news, the daily fail. Meghan’s parents shared custody. Meghan lived with her mom over a garage during the week and with her father on the weekend. It’s out of Meghan and her mom’s own mouth as opposed to tabloid articles claiming she grew up in the ghettos of Compton.

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Anonymous wrote:The age of sexual consent in the UK is 16 isn’t it? Harry’s horse loving cougar isn’t going to be thrown into the Tower of London!

He doesn’t say what age he lost his virginity. I don’t know what the rules in the UK are but here in the USA a big age discrepancy can be statutory rape.

+1. Calling someone who violently deflowered a teenager in a field a cougar is glamorizing predatory sexual behavior.

Harry glamorised the encounter by his use of utterly brazen language and he seemed to have instigated the main deed “ I mounted her quickly”.

He called it a “humiliating episode.” Not sure what excerpts you’ve been reading. If it had been a teenage girl having their virginity taken in a field by a man double her age, you wouldn’t be calling this “glamorous”.

Seems like the editor added that line. Until then, he seems rather proud.

What “editor”? this is an excerpt of the book. Are you saying you can distinguish between what Harry said and what the ghostwriter wrote? If so, you have some serious powers.

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Anonymous wrote:The account of the altercation, frankly, paints Harry in a light that's too precious to sympathize with. I mean William's not much better but at least his vices are easy to understand.

But Harry? The broken necklace? the broken dog bowl? (what's it made of, crystal? what type of dog bowl breaks when a man falls on top of it?) The shards cutting his delicate skin? The therapist on speed dial?

It's all a bit much.

It’s insane. It doesn’t hold water with how fights happen.

William is a bully. That much is clear.

So was this knock-down-drag-out fight the fight about Meghan bullying the staff and Harry not wanting to hear about it? That fight?

Bullying the staff is just a talking point. It's amazing the people don't see the pattern in how women who marry into the monarchy -as well as others who are not as compliant, even in the family- are treated. Diana. Fergie. Meghan. And then accused of being "crazy", "needy", "psycho", "bullying." GMAFB. I don't believe it for one minute.

I do believe that the British Tabloids and SM were cruel, racist, and hateful towards Meghan (the stories and headlines, and tweets, speak for themselves). I also 100% believe that William and Charles comms teams fed them negative stories, fueled them, and then didn't support H and M. Once again, one need only look at the history of this family (and the monarchy generally) to know with certainty that this happened.

I believe much of what you posted - but I also believe that the BRF is pretty sensitive to how staff are treated, since there's a huge class/power imbalance. And it's something that they are brought up and taught, to an extent, that Meghan would have a lot of difficulty with, whether she was easy or difficult or just American.

If Harry wasn't willing to hear a word against her, how would she know how to change or moderate her behavior to fit in better and treat staff appropriately?

You really think they’re sensitive to their staff’s needs and feelings when they pay them pittance and fought so hard to get an exemption for employment discrimination lawsuits. There is really a river full of denial tears.

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Anonymous wrote:The account of the altercation, frankly, paints Harry in a light that's too precious to sympathize with. I mean William's not much better but at least his vices are easy to understand.

But Harry? The broken necklace? the broken dog bowl? (what's it made of, crystal? what type of dog bowl breaks when a man falls on top of it?) The shards cutting his delicate skin? The therapist on speed dial?

It's all a bit much.

It’s insane. It doesn’t hold water with how fights happen.

William is a bully. That much is clear.

So was this knock-down-drag-out fight the fight about Meghan bullying the staff and Harry not wanting to hear about it? That fight?

William has been covering for Harry for a long time. I loved the net flix series (made them look relatable and so in love and happy) but this book is awful. He looks so petty. How many of us with siblings have had some kind of crazy argument. I think the issue is his sounding board is an only child and she doesn’t get the rivalry and arguing that happens as you grow up. These arguments with William (if they happened are not that bad).They have legit things to complain about with the crazy press system that the monarchy operates but dumb family fights and the overall bitterness is not going to help them. If I were William, I would be done. He should have left if unhappy and carried on and done charity work that made him happy without this current course of burning bridges. I can say that even when I really mad at a sibling that I do not run them down to anyone. He is basically bashing his family to billions of people and then also saying he wants them in his life. It is perplexing but his family does not have to engage.

. Look, maybe when your siblings get angry with you, they physically strike and assault you, but I wish one of my siblings would with me. They might not live to regret it.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

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He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

The letter was leaked by Meghan. She asked five friends to talk to People magazine and they specifically mentioned the letter and their version of the contents of it. Her father was really hurt by this and asked the DM to publish excerpts of it. Meghan was desperate for this letter to be leaked and knew she could provoke her father into it. Childish games by two immature people.

After long and costly litigation, the UK courts call bullshit and lies on what you wrote PP. Meghan sued the DM and won. You wrote the rubbish that the DM alleged, but that is not what the evidence showed. Remember the DM lost snd had to give a public apology along with a hefty monetary judgement.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd work for Meghan if she gave me freebies

IF she did at all, she gave them all the leftover crap that she didn't want. And this is after hounding her staff to shake down brands and fashion houses for freebies. She's not magnanimous. So cheap and tacky.

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Anonymous wrote:The account of the altercation, frankly, paints Harry in a light that's too precious to sympathize with. I mean William's not much better but at least his vices are easy to understand.

But Harry? The broken necklace? the broken dog bowl? (what's it made of, crystal? what type of dog bowl breaks when a man falls on top of it?) The shards cutting his delicate skin? The therapist on speed dial?

It's all a bit much.

It’s insane. It doesn’t hold water with how fights happen.

William is a bully. That much is clear.

So was this knock-down-drag-out fight the fight about Meghan bullying the staff and Harry not wanting to hear about it? That fight?

Bullying the staff is just a talking point. It's amazing the people don't see the pattern in how women who marry into the monarchy -as well as others who are not as compliant, even in the family- are treated. Diana. Fergie. Meghan. And then accused of being "crazy", "needy", "psycho", "bullying." GMAFB. I don't believe it for one minute.

I do believe that the British Tabloids and SM were cruel, racist, and hateful towards Meghan (the stories and headlines, and tweets, speak for themselves). I also 100% believe that William and Charles comms teams fed them negative stories, fueled them, and then didn't support H and M. Once again, one need only look at the history of this family (and the monarchy generally) to know with certainty that this happened.

Meghan was literally suicidal and fled the country during a fit of panic. She acts clingy and needy in public, maybe that's just an act though. I understand PPD and PPA from experience; I don't just waive it away or pretend she didn't have it.

Sorry I don't believe she was suicidal, and furthermore, I don't believe she couldn't get mental health help if she really needed it. Harry had his therapist on speed dial but she couldn't? nonsense.

What is very, very obvious to me is that Meghan very quickly understood the dysfunction and scars Harry had from Diana's death and all the myths around it, and she figured out very clearly how to tap into this vulnerability for personal gain. This is why you see so many references to Diana in their noise - Diana was killed and they want to kill me, too; you couldn't protect Diana but you could protect me, this is how. She knows that if she merges with his mother in his mind, she can play him like a fiddle.

Unfortunately, Harry never understood his mother's flaws or how her poor choices contributed to her death.

Yes. Let’s blame the victim. Yuck.