VYS Soccer - better or worse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would just like to say, Hank's G99s are off to the Region 1 Championships.
That's not too shabby.

They lucked out because Virginia won the draw for the state wild card for that age group. They did not win an event to get there, having lost in the State CUp finals. But when you're VYS, you'll take what you can get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would just like to say, Hank's G99s are off to the Region 1 Championships.
That's not too shabby.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are arguing with yourself. This parsing of U10 girls losses -- is this how you have chosen to make your cry for help?

I'm not parsing U10 wins and losses. Im establishing a trend. It was another poster who claimed VYS has a "thriving" program pre U12 before all the talent leaves for DA and ECNL. The records pretty much state that the teams perform at the about the same level throughout all age groups. We are not seeing a trend of teams starting out slowly but later developing into stronger teams at older ages.

Also, keep in mind that this is the only club specific thread. Such a specific thread does not indicate a strong, thriving club. This club is clearly in a bad place and is seeking answers. The existence of this thread indicates that and the performance numbers demonstrate that as well.

If you believe the club to be strong you are deluding yourself. If you think the club is making appropriate and measured changes to improve, well time will tell. Hopefully VYS can turn things around but it will take time.

You know what the problem is...ex-VYS parents, ex-coaches, ex-admins or just plain crazy people that are constantly posting negative things about VYS. Who f'ing cares?? If you don't like it, leave. All the power to you. I think the majority of parents understand what VYS is and if they haven't left they are obviously good with it.
And most importantly there are many folks that have stayed that are working to improve things. Even in this tough area where other clubs poach and are constantly making a push to steal players.
We don't need some pompous jackass posting on an anonymous site telling us what our club is.
So F off.

Go figure out what is wrong with the US soccer federation...make yourself useful.

+1,000,000,000,000,000

Look, MY kids -- one rec, one low-level travel -- aren't at VYS right now. They might go back at some point, though, and we sure as hell didn't make the decision over whether a bunch of freaking U10s were winning tournament games. Maybe VYS should start its own tournament and seed its teams in low brackets, like everyone else does. Would you be impressed then, Stat Man?

The poor records demonstrate that by and large for the whole of the CLUB, VYS is simply not fielding COMPETITIVE teams. The question is why?

Reason provided have ranged from:
1. "We lose all our talent to DA and ECNL". I provided the records of the younger ages to see if this bore any fruit. And based on records, for what they are worth at younger ages, there was simply no evidence that younger VYS teams perform any differently relative to their older cohorts.

2. "The club is making changes, hence the purpose of this thread to discuss". This implies that organizational problems were to blame. This will take time to sort out. The major hurdles to seeing sustained improvement will rely on several factors, among them are player recruitment and retention as well as coaching recruitment and retention.

3. VYS is no different than any other club and you are nothing more than a troll for pointing out things that we believe to be meaningless."

The Win/Loss records are nothing more than a symptom. So while reasonable parents will make a decision based on more than a win/loss record at U10, parents of older kids however will want their kids on competitive teams for a variety of reasons. For some parents finding a pathway for their child to play at their highest level is important, for other parents they just want a place for their kids to play. Currently, VYS is lacking in the destination department for kids seeking a pathway. Again, VDA might change that but in reality it applies only to younger kids. Older players seeking a pathway to college would likely look elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would just like to say, Hank's G99s are off to the Region 1 Championships.
That's not too shabby.

This is great news!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are arguing with yourself. This parsing of U10 girls losses -- is this how you have chosen to make your cry for help?

I'm not parsing U10 wins and losses. Im establishing a trend. It was another poster who claimed VYS has a "thriving" program pre U12 before all the talent leaves for DA and ECNL. The records pretty much state that the teams perform at the about the same level throughout all age groups. We are not seeing a trend of teams starting out slowly but later developing into stronger teams at older ages.

Also, keep in mind that this is the only club specific thread. Such a specific thread does not indicate a strong, thriving club. This club is clearly in a bad place and is seeking answers. The existence of this thread indicates that and the performance numbers demonstrate that as well.

If you believe the club to be strong you are deluding yourself. If you think the club is making appropriate and measured changes to improve, well time will tell. Hopefully VYS can turn things around but it will take time.

You know what the problem is...ex-VYS parents, ex-coaches, ex-admins or just plain crazy people that are constantly posting negative things about VYS. Who f'ing cares?? If you don't like it, leave. All the power to you. I think the majority of parents understand what VYS is and if they haven't left they are obviously good with it.
And most importantly there are many folks that have stayed that are working to improve things. Even in this tough area where other clubs poach and are constantly making a push to steal players.
We don't need some pompous jackass posting on an anonymous site telling us what our club is.
So F off.

Go figure out what is wrong with the US soccer federation...make yourself useful.

+1,000,000,000,000,000

Look, MY kids -- one rec, one low-level travel -- aren't at VYS right now. They might go back at some point, though, and we sure as hell didn't make the decision over whether a bunch of freaking U10s were winning tournament games. Maybe VYS should start its own tournament and seed its teams in low brackets, like everyone else does. Would you be impressed then, Stat Man?

The poor records demonstrate that by and large for the whole of the CLUB, VYS is simply not fielding COMPETITIVE teams. The question is why?

Reason provided have ranged from:
1. "We lose all our talent to DA and ECNL". I provided the records of the younger ages to see if this bore any fruit. And based on records, for what they are worth at younger ages, there was simply no evidence that younger VYS teams perform any differently relative to their older cohorts.

2. "The club is making changes, hence the purpose of this thread to discuss". This implies that organizational problems were to blame. This will take time to sort out. The major hurdles to seeing sustained improvement will rely on several factors, among them are player recruitment and retention as well as coaching recruitment and retention.

3. VYS is no different than any other club and you are nothing more than a troll for pointing out things that we believe to be meaningless."

The Win/Loss records are nothing more than a symptom. So while reasonable parents will make a decision based on more than a win/loss record at U10, parents of older kids however will want their kids on competitive teams for a variety of reasons. For some parents finding a pathway for their child to play at their highest level is important, for other parents they just want a place for their kids to play. Currently, VYS is lacking in the destination department for kids seeking a pathway. Again, VDA might change that but in reality it applies only to younger kids. Older players seeking a pathway to college would likely look elsewhere.

Answer this last one:
You have made your point and I think it is fair to say you have. How come you keep posting?
We aren't buying what you are selling.

Are you on mission to rid the world of VYS?

[Anonymous]

PP ^^

I think you misconstrue the point of my posts. Many of the posts here seem to be in denial of the actual state that VYS is in. Particularly in image from the outside. Any criticism is met with "you're a troll" or "you're just a bitter ex coach or board member". These statements are made as if in denial that the criticisms may be valid.

Part of improving anything is starting off with an admission that there is in fact a problem. My posts were only meant to point that fact out in hopes that it would stir constructive dialog. But clearly people are not ready to talk about what the club needs to improve if they are not yet willing to accept that it needs anything to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP ^^

I think you misconstrue the point of my posts. Many of the posts here seem to be in denial of the actual state that VYS is in. Particularly in image from the outside. Any criticism is met with "you're a troll" or "you're just a bitter ex coach or board member". These statements are made as if in denial that the criticisms may be valid.

Part of improving anything is starting off with an admission that there is in fact a problem. My posts were only meant to point that fact out in hopes that it would stir constructive dialog. But clearly people are not ready to talk about what the club needs to improve if they are not yet willing to accept that it needs anything to begin with.

Shouldn't that be a conversation with the board or the TDs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP ^^

I think you misconstrue the point of my posts. Many of the posts here seem to be in denial of the actual state that VYS is in. Particularly in image from the outside. Any criticism is met with "you're a troll" or "you're just a bitter ex coach or board member". These statements are made as if in denial that the criticisms may be valid.

Part of improving anything is starting off with an admission that there is in fact a problem. My posts were only meant to point that fact out in hopes that it would stir constructive dialog. But clearly people are not ready to talk about what the club needs to improve if they are not yet willing to accept that it needs anything to begin with.

There have been problems in VYS, and there still are. But the fact remains that the win/loss record of the Red teams affects maybe five percent of the players in VYS. And the win/loss record of the U10 teams in tournaments tells you absolutely nothing. If they were all finishing last in the lowest bracket of the worst tournament, OK, maybe that would be cause for concern -- but even then, it would raise more questions than answers.

If you want to win a U10 game, you basically need 2-3 athletes -- one at the back to boot the ball a long way, 1-2 up the field to outrun the defense and score. And a good goalkeeper, who at this age can single-handedly account for a three-goal, four-goal, even five-goal swing in any particular game compared with someone who drew the short straw and had to go back there. (In fact, I happen to know Vienna teams tend to rotate the goalkeeping position among most or all players on a given U9 or U10 team. That's certainly bad for results. Whether it's bad for development is a tougher question to answer.)

Look at the Madison girls soccer team that won the region. A lot of them are VYS players. Some are ex-VYS who went to play in ECNL or other elite competitions. Madison's boys had a similar run a couple of years ago.

Is it the most elite club in the region? Not by a long shot. Is it a good community club with a lot of the same issues as any community club and the capacity to develop good players and even the occasional good team? Yes.

That's not ignoring problems. That's not claiming every VYS team is as good as the U18 girls. That's reality.

Personally, I'd pull VYS teams out VPL and focus on sending good players to VDA. That's a viable mission, and as long as the coaching is good (as in any club, it can vary from coach to coach or even year to year, given the itinerant nature of many coaches), Vienna families have no reason to panic and send their U5 kids to Loudoun.

[Anonymous]

And I'd bring in a new VP of House -- which, in fact, they just did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP ^^

I think you misconstrue the point of my posts. Many of the posts here seem to be in denial of the actual state that VYS is in. Particularly in image from the outside. Any criticism is met with "you're a troll" or "you're just a bitter ex coach or board member". These statements are made as if in denial that the criticisms may be valid.

Part of improving anything is starting off with an admission that there is in fact a problem. My posts were only meant to point that fact out in hopes that it would stir constructive dialog. But clearly people are not ready to talk about what the club needs to improve if they are not yet willing to accept that it needs anything to begin with.

There have been problems in VYS, and there still are. But the fact remains that the win/loss record of the Red teams affects maybe five percent of the players in VYS. And the win/loss record of the U10 teams in tournaments tells you absolutely nothing. If they were all finishing last in the lowest bracket of the worst tournament, OK, maybe that would be cause for concern -- but even then, it would raise more questions than answers.

If you want to win a U10 game, you basically need 2-3 athletes -- one at the back to boot the ball a long way, 1-2 up the field to outrun the defense and score. And a good goalkeeper, who at this age can single-handedly account for a three-goal, four-goal, even five-goal swing in any particular game compared with someone who drew the short straw and had to go back there. (In fact, I happen to know Vienna teams tend to rotate the goalkeeping position among most or all players on a given U9 or U10 team. That's certainly bad for results. Whether it's bad for development is a tougher question to answer.)

Look at the Madison girls soccer team that won the region. A lot of them are VYS players. Some are ex-VYS who went to play in ECNL or other elite competitions. Madison's boys had a similar run a couple of years ago.

Is it the most elite club in the region? Not by a long shot. Is it a good community club with a lot of the same issues as any community club and the capacity to develop good players and even the occasional good team? Yes.

That's not ignoring problems. That's not claiming every VYS team is as good as the U18 girls. That's reality.

Personally, I'd pull VYS teams out VPL and focus on sending good players to VDA. That's a viable mission, and as long as the coaching is good (as in any club, it can vary from coach to coach or even year to year, given the itinerant nature of many coaches), Vienna families have no reason to panic and send their U5 kids to Loudoun.

What would pulling out of VPL accomplish? PWSI has DA, the other clubs are just affiliates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would just like to say, Hank's G99s are off to the Region 1 Championships.
That's not too shabby.

This is great news!

Pulled off an upset of sorts today, too. Beat a very good team from Jersey.

[Anonymous]

Major upset, in fact . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP ^^

I think you misconstrue the point of my posts. Many of the posts here seem to be in denial of the actual state that VYS is in. Particularly in image from the outside. Any criticism is met with "you're a troll" or "you're just a bitter ex coach or board member". These statements are made as if in denial that the criticisms may be valid.

Part of improving anything is starting off with an admission that there is in fact a problem. My posts were only meant to point that fact out in hopes that it would stir constructive dialog. But clearly people are not ready to talk about what the club needs to improve if they are not yet willing to accept that it needs anything to begin with.

Yes we get it, "oh VYS is so horrible and worse than any other club in the universe."
How about you just STFU and move on because nobody here GAF what you have to say.....if you have an honest beef, take it up with the club TDs instead of whining like a brat who just wet his panties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP ^^

I think you misconstrue the point of my posts. Many of the posts here seem to be in denial of the actual state that VYS is in. Particularly in image from the outside. Any criticism is met with "you're a troll" or "you're just a bitter ex coach or board member". These statements are made as if in denial that the criticisms may be valid.

Part of improving anything is starting off with an admission that there is in fact a problem. My posts were only meant to point that fact out in hopes that it would stir constructive dialog. But clearly people are not ready to talk about what the club needs to improve if they are not yet willing to accept that it needs anything to begin with.

Yes we get it, "oh VYS is so horrible and worse than any other club in the universe."
How about you just STFU and move on because nobody here GAF what you have to say.....if you have an honest beef, take it up with the club TDs instead of whining like a brat who just wet his panties.

It is obvious that you are not ready for a discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would just like to say, Hank's G99s are off to the Region 1 Championships.
That's not too shabby.

This is great news!

Pulled off an upset of sorts today, too. Beat a very good team from Jersey.

you are one of the team's parents?