ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Damn, we've replaced SY-60 guy with my RL Aug-Dec kid will be the next Messi OR Rodman, so NL current team kids get out of the way! I'm not sure what's more annoying.

Your hyperbole doesn't fly. Posters saying players moving down an age group from starting in RL get NL bench/back of roster and NL bench/back of roster that stays in age group gets bumped to RL starters. Basically, ranking the kids moves them up or down 5-6 slots in an age group on a team but many will leave and new ones will come in based on the new individual player rankings. And that creates a big shuffle, nobody saying US will ever produce a Messi.

Sorry to say, there'll be movement but not so much from RL. You're buying into the hype.

I get why you look at your kids age RL team and think why there will be little movement but look one year up and the truth will set you free. Then realize that there are about 2-3 RL teams for every NL team and then you realize the shake up will be bigger than you think. But coach lock will provide some sand in the gears for some teams destined to get overrun by the bigger teams for a year as many clubs that will be too slow to adjust.

Size isn't really an issue at older ages. Where you may see the movement you think will happen are at the weaker ECNL clubs. There are plenty of those, but there's always a lot of turnover at them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These elite leagues need players/parents on the outside looking in thinking they have hope/edge of getting to the top.

Aside from the top nationally ranked teams. I would say RL Q3/4 players are usually equal to NL subs. So that’s where the battle will happen for current subs.

The ECNL and GA Aug-Dec starters will come to new teams and battle for or take those starting spots.

Players will shift

ECNL player playing all game goes to playing half a game or slightly more than half

ECNL starter to ECNL sub/GA starter

ECNL Sub to RL/GA

Actually, few current ECNL subs will get demoted -- not right away, at least. That's where the big rosters come in. There'll be too much parent pressure and clubs will use lack of playing time to force people out. Who knows, maybe some will raise their game and stay and the newcomers will go.

100% no one is getting cut by a club.
They will fill up the roster to 30 and players will self cut as the pecking order is established.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Damn, we've replaced SY-60 guy with my RL Aug-Dec kid will be the next Messi OR Rodman, so NL current team kids get out of the way! I'm not sure what's more annoying.

Your hyperbole doesn't fly. Posters saying players moving down an age group from starting in RL get NL bench/back of roster and NL bench/back of roster that stays in age group gets bumped to RL starters. Basically, ranking the kids moves them up or down 5-6 slots in an age group on a team but many will leave and new ones will come in based on the new individual player rankings. And that creates a big shuffle, nobody saying US will ever produce a Messi.

Sorry to say, there'll be movement but not so much from RL. You're buying into the hype.

I get why you look at your kids age RL team and think why there will be little movement but look one year up and the truth will set you free. Then realize that there are about 2-3 RL teams for every NL team and then you realize the shake up will be bigger than you think. But coach lock will provide some sand in the gears for some teams destined to get overrun by the bigger teams for a year as many clubs that will be too slow to adjust.

Size isn't really an issue at older ages. Where you may see the movement you think will happen are at the weaker ECNL clubs. There are plenty of those, but there's always a lot of turnover at them.

You must be referring to girls side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Party’s over for most top team players.
Unless you’re playing up most kids will be replaced. Maybe 7 or 8 current starters will be left per team on average.

If you’re a sub or low min player you’re out…

Jan to July people to learn what RAE is.

And within 6 months of playing down pine riders in BY will find their way to the bench under SY.

All the parents that think playing down will be their kids magic ticket to success will find out that it wasnt RAE keeping their kid from starting.

🤣🤣🤣 I mean actual studies come to a very different conclusion but because you say it, it must be true.

Yes aug/sept birthdays that come up in a SY system will be a larger percentage of starters.

No aug/sept birthdays that came up in a BY system but suddently switch to SY will not be a larger percentage of starters.

They will get an initial boost but over time they will find their way to the bench in SY just like they did in BY.

Aug to Nov. players will be the majority and take the starter position just as Jan to Apr. players are doing now. In tournaments this summer, when you see younger Nls play up, they get destroyed by older RL teams.

Aug to Nov. players are not only older, but also trained with older players from the beginning. I would say 4 or 5 younger NL players remain in the top ECNL program.

I can guarantee some ECNL teams will be almost completely replaced. Parents have no idea what’s coming.
Every Q3/4 ECNL player will be able to go down and take a roster spot. I don’t think parent realize their kids aren’t special they’ve just competed against kids their exact same age. RAE is real.

The only difference will be there just isn’t as many Q3/4 playing at the top levels but definitely enough to fill all the top teams for ECNL clubs GA going to get most of the RL Q3/4 player and all the ECNL kids that lose their spot.

Using my kid as an example (late December 2010), I asked Perplexity to give me the average speed gain and height growth for boys going from 14 to 15 years old.

Here are the results:

1) Max sprinting speed increases 8-12% annually, which equates to 0.6 to 0.8 meters per second increase in speed. This is equal to 1.36 mph to 1.81 mph faster.

2) Average height increases 2.5 to 3.0 inches per year in this age category.

In his new age category, on average, my boy will gain on average 7 months of development relative to his old age group. He used to be the youngest. Now he will be older than a little over 7 months with of players.

Assuming the above is linear (realize it probably isn’t), he will gain 0.80 mph to 1.05 mph in speed and 1.45 inches to 1.75 inches in height.

The average kid in my son’s position will go from likely being the smallest and slowest to being above average height and speed.

My son has the good fortune of being quite fast (second fastest player on his RL team), but he is a bit small for his category.

Next season he will be faster than (almost) all of his teammates and taller than most of his teammates.

Add the fact that the smaller kids are probably more technical, this shift will mean the kids that were technical, small and slow will now be even more technical, average size or bigger, and fast.

The boost to the Q4 kids will be massive

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Party’s over for most top team players.
Unless you’re playing up most kids will be replaced. Maybe 7 or 8 current starters will be left per team on average.

If you’re a sub or low min player you’re out…

Jan to July people to learn what RAE is.

And within 6 months of playing down pine riders in BY will find their way to the bench under SY.

All the parents that think playing down will be their kids magic ticket to success will find out that it wasnt RAE keeping their kid from starting.

🤣🤣🤣 I mean actual studies come to a very different conclusion but because you say it, it must be true.

Yes aug/sept birthdays that come up in a SY system will be a larger percentage of starters.

No aug/sept birthdays that came up in a BY system but suddently switch to SY will not be a larger percentage of starters.

They will get an initial boost but over time they will find their way to the bench in SY just like they did in BY.

Aug to Nov. players will be the majority and take the starter position just as Jan to Apr. players are doing now. In tournaments this summer, when you see younger Nls play up, they get destroyed by older RL teams.

Aug to Nov. players are not only older, but also trained with older players from the beginning. I would say 4 or 5 younger NL players remain in the top ECNL program.

I can guarantee some ECNL teams will be almost completely replaced. Parents have no idea what’s coming.
Every Q3/4 ECNL player will be able to go down and take a roster spot. I don’t think parent realize their kids aren’t special they’ve just competed against kids their exact same age. RAE is real.

The only difference will be there just isn’t as many Q3/4 playing at the top levels but definitely enough to fill all the top teams for ECNL clubs GA going to get most of the RL Q3/4 player and all the ECNL kids that lose their spot.

Using my kid as an example (late December 2010), I asked Perplexity to give me the average speed gain and height growth for boys going from 14 to 15 years old.

Here are the results:

1) Max sprinting speed increases 8-12% annually, which equates to 0.6 to 0.8 meters per second increase in speed. This is equal to 1.36 mph to 1.81 mph faster.

2) Average height increases 2.5 to 3.0 inches per year in this age category.

In his new age category, on average, my boy will gain on average 7 months of development relative to his old age group. He used to be the youngest. Now he will be older than a little over 7 months with of players.

Assuming the above is linear (realize it probably isn’t), he will gain 0.80 mph to 1.05 mph in speed and 1.45 inches to 1.75 inches in height.

The average kid in my son’s position will go from likely being the smallest and slowest to being above average height and speed.

My son has the good fortune of being quite fast (second fastest player on his RL team), but he is a bit small for his category.

Next season he will be faster than (almost) all of his teammates and taller than most of his teammates.

Add the fact that the smaller kids are probably more technical, this shift will mean the kids that were technical, small and slow will now be even more technical, average size or bigger, and fast.

The boost to the Q4 kids will be massive

Your kid rides pine now any they'll ride pine in SY. (Give it 6 months)

When this happens what will be your next excuse?

[Anonymous]

Hey look 6 month guy is back. Just remember folks once the change happens Q4's will stop aging.

[Anonymous]

It’s undeniable that the boost for Aug-Dec kids will be huge.

RAE is obvious.

My son’s club Academy1 team has 95% players Q1/Q2, and only one Q3 (my son).

However Academy2 is packed with Q3/Q4s.

It will change next year once SY is implemented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s undeniable that the boost for Aug-Dec kids will be huge.

RAE is obvious.

My son’s club Academy1 team has 95% players Q1/Q2, and only one Q3 (my son).

However Academy2 is packed with Q3/Q4s.

It will change next year once SY is implemented.

You don't understand RAE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s undeniable that the boost for Aug-Dec kids will be huge.

RAE is obvious.

My son’s club Academy1 team has 95% players Q1/Q2, and only one Q3 (my son).

However Academy2 is packed with Q3/Q4s.

It will change next year once SY is implemented.

You don't understand RAE.

They do, you don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s undeniable that the boost for Aug-Dec kids will be huge.

RAE is obvious.

My son’s club Academy1 team has 95% players Q1/Q2, and only one Q3 (my son).

However Academy2 is packed with Q3/Q4s.

It will change next year once SY is implemented.

You don't understand RAE.

They do, you don't.

No, you're just looking for the excuse du jour. Today its rae tomorrow it will be whatever coach doesn’t develop your kid enough so they can be pro players. Soon all the money in the world wont buy your way onto whatever team you think your kid should be on.

Once this happens you'll walk away from the wreckage and havoc you've created for everyone else. Happy that you "made a differnce".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s undeniable that the boost for Aug-Dec kids will be huge.

RAE is obvious.

My son’s club Academy1 team has 95% players Q1/Q2, and only one Q3 (my son).

However Academy2 is packed with Q3/Q4s.

It will change next year once SY is implemented.

You don't understand RAE.

They do, you don't.

No, you're just looking for the excuse du jour. Today its rae tomorrow it will be whatever coach doesn’t develop your kid enough so they can be pro players. Soon all the money in the world wont buy your way onto whatever team you think your kid should be on.

Once this happens you'll walk away from the wreckage and havoc you've created for everyone else. Happy that you "made a differnce".

Older kids tend to be better at sports than younger kids. Not sure why this accepted fact makes you bitter and angry and lash put. Saul good man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s undeniable that the boost for Aug-Dec kids will be huge.

RAE is obvious.

My son’s club Academy1 team has 95% players Q1/Q2, and only one Q3 (my son).

However Academy2 is packed with Q3/Q4s.

It will change next year once SY is implemented.

You don't understand RAE.

They do, you don't.

No, you're just looking for the excuse du jour. Today its rae tomorrow it will be whatever coach doesn’t develop your kid enough so they can be pro players. Soon all the money in the world wont buy your way onto whatever team you think your kid should be on.

Once this happens you'll walk away from the wreckage and havoc you've created for everyone else. Happy that you "made a differnce".

Older kids tend to be better at sports than younger kids. Not sure why this accepted fact makes you bitter and angry and lash put. Saul good man.

Older kids? Your comment makes no sense.

But seriously what is the next excuse you plan to latch onto?

[Anonymous]

Anyone who wants to judge how the age switch may shake out only need to look look at freshmen in HS in soccer. Do the Aug-Dec birthdays outperform the Jan-Jul players? If any reach varsity, which cohort are they in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who wants to judge how the age switch may shake out only need to look look at freshmen in HS in soccer. Do the Aug-Dec birthdays outperform the Jan-Jul players? If any reach varsity, which cohort are they in?

And there it is. The GY parent makes a post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who wants to judge how the age switch may shake out only need to look look at freshmen in HS in soccer. Do the Aug-Dec birthdays outperform the Jan-Jul players? If any reach varsity, which cohort are they in?

And there it is. The GY parent makes a post.

The months used weren't GY, they were SY -- And the question is on point. Folks seem to think Aug-Dec -- especially current 2nd team players -- will be able to dominate over their first-team Jan-Jul most likely same-grade peers. So, how does that play out now in HS?