Canada Truck Convoy, what to think about it?

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccine mandates are a clear government power grab: the shut down and other mitigation policies are arbitrary and declaring the need for emergency powers makes no sense given the mortality rate of covid.

Please answer how you can justify the war on drugs and the creation of the DEA? How is that not much more of a “power grab” by the government? Why is THAT not your rallying cry but vaccines are?

NP. Current government isn’t enforcing any DEA law at the border.

Lies and snark are all you guys have. I dare you to try to cross the border with a cannabis plant in your car.

I notice none of you right wingers can explain this obvious contradiction. It’s almost like it’s not about “freedom” at all and really about culture war values and fascism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

There is a collective right for all of us not to have our lives disrupted by the few people who are having a tantrum about wearing a mask - who are also the same people who deliver the goods and services. In that case, yes, their “freedumb” is impinging on our “freedom”.

They need to STFU and get back in their trucks and haul the stuff we need. If they don’t, they need to go to prison and we need to find other people to drive those trucks.

It’s a pretty simple thing to understand. I’m not sure why you’re not getting it.

[Anonymous]

Get the truck outta here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

There is a collective right for all of us not to have our lives disrupted by the few people who are having a tantrum about wearing a mask - who are also the same people who deliver the goods and services. In that case, yes, their “freedumb” is impinging on our “freedom”.

They need to STFU and get back in their trucks and haul the stuff we need. If they don’t, they need to go to prison and we need to find other people to drive those trucks.

It’s a pretty simple thing to understand. I’m not sure why you’re not getting it.

You again? Go to prison? All of them just quit, right? Cause you need your Charmin?
I think you never did an honest day of work in your life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

There is a collective right for all of us not to have our lives disrupted by the few people who are having a tantrum about wearing a mask - who are also the same people who deliver the goods and services. In that case, yes, their “freedumb” is impinging on our “freedom”.

They need to STFU and get back in their trucks and haul the stuff we need. If they don’t, they need to go to prison and we need to find other people to drive those trucks.

It’s a pretty simple thing to understand. I’m not sure why you’re not getting it.

You again? Go to prison? All of them just quit, right? Cause you need your Charmin?
I think you never did an honest day of work in your life.

The protesting truck drivers are a small percentage of all truck drivers, and they would not be missed if they quit. They do far more damage by blockading roads and bridges than they'd do by quitting. They know this, and that's why they do it. They're cowards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

There is a collective right for all of us not to have our lives disrupted by the few people who are having a tantrum about wearing a mask - who are also the same people who deliver the goods and services. In that case, yes, their “freedumb” is impinging on our “freedom”.

They need to STFU and get back in their trucks and haul the stuff we need. If they don’t, they need to go to prison and we need to find other people to drive those trucks.

It’s a pretty simple thing to understand. I’m not sure why you’re not getting it.

You again? Go to prison? All of them just quit, right? Cause you need your Charmin?
I think you never did an honest day of work in your life.

The protesting truck drivers are a small percentage of all truck drivers, and they would not be missed if they quit. They do far more damage by blockading roads and bridges than they'd do by quitting. They know this, and that's why they do it. They're cowards.

You keep posting that essential staff is not allowed to quit, that they need to work, that we do not let doctors and nurses walk out of their jobs, and that they should be arrested if they do walk away. That these truckers need to be arrested because their needs to not trump your need to have goods!?
Please tell me what is wrong with you? Cognitive impairment? We absolutely have essential staff quit all the time, go on strikes all the time, particularly in Canada, nurses are on strikes all the time.
How old are you that you are that clueless about the world?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

There is a collective right for all of us not to have our lives disrupted by the few people who are having a tantrum about wearing a mask - who are also the same people who deliver the goods and services. In that case, yes, their “freedumb” is impinging on our “freedom”.

They need to STFU and get back in their trucks and haul the stuff we need. If they don’t, they need to go to prison and we need to find other people to drive those trucks.

It’s a pretty simple thing to understand. I’m not sure why you’re not getting it.

You again? Go to prison? All of them just quit, right? Cause you need your Charmin?
I think you never did an honest day of work in your life.

The protesting truck drivers are a small percentage of all truck drivers, and they would not be missed if they quit. They do far more damage by blockading roads and bridges than they'd do by quitting. They know this, and that's why they do it. They're cowards.

The protest demonstrated one thing: piss off working people and they are quite able to shut things down. Piss off people who sit at desks or hang out in the faculty lounge all day and who cares? All they have is impotent anger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

There is a collective right for all of us not to have our lives disrupted by the few people who are having a tantrum about wearing a mask - who are also the same people who deliver the goods and services. In that case, yes, their “freedumb” is impinging on our “freedom”.

They need to STFU and get back in their trucks and haul the stuff we need. If they don’t, they need to go to prison and we need to find other people to drive those trucks.

It’s a pretty simple thing to understand. I’m not sure why you’re not getting it.

You again? Go to prison? All of them just quit, right? Cause you need your Charmin?
I think you never did an honest day of work in your life.

The protesting truck drivers are a small percentage of all truck drivers, and they would not be missed if they quit. They do far more damage by blockading roads and bridges than they'd do by quitting. They know this, and that's why they do it. They're cowards.

You keep posting that essential staff is not allowed to quit, that they need to work, that we do not let doctors and nurses walk out of their jobs, and that they should be arrested if they do walk away. That these truckers need to be arrested because their needs to not trump your need to have goods!?
Please tell me what is wrong with you? Cognitive impairment? We absolutely have essential staff quit all the time, go on strikes all the time, particularly in Canada, nurses are on strikes all the time.
How old are you that you are that clueless about the world?

PP here - I'm a different poster, and don't think the truckers should get arrested for quitting, unless they're walking out of a contract. But they should be arrested for being a public nuisance. In Canada, it was illegal for nurses to strike until 2015, and even now they can't strike like other professions because they're considered essential. That's what the deal was when they signed up for the job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

I just have to ask.....

Did you take the same stance during the protests and riots of the summer of 2020? Or, were those "righteous" and "good" and therefore, the closing of a highway or businesses are just the cost of supporting the cause?

DP.

1) they were protesting a murder by police
2) they were protesting. The rioting and fires etc were generally set by right wingers
3) they lasted a day here and a day there. It wasn't a sustained seige, except in portland and seattle where it turns out, yep, right wingers again.

1) maybe some of them were at least initially
2) cray cray conspiracy stuff
3) same

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trudeau will have two choices as the protests grow. Crack down further, which means murdering people, or walk.

It's only murder if you kill someone in a manner that's contrary to law. So, a third option might be killing criminals in a manner consistent with the law.

Without due process, unless you are under physical attack, there is no ‘contrary to law’

No idea what process is due in Canada, but in the U.S. an officer can be justified in using deadly force on a fleeing individual who refuses orders to stop if the person is a danger to others.

Police officers have been rightfully convicted for shooting fleeing individuals. If that person is fleeing TOWARDS someone with a weapon, it’s justified use of deadly force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

The rights of one person *always* imposes a burden on others. It's the nature of rights. As Jeremy Bentham put it:

Rights and obligations, though distinct and opposite in their nature, are simultaneous in their origin, and inseparable in their existence. According to the nature of things, the law cannot grant a benefit to any, without, at the same time, imposing a burden on some one else; or, in other words, a right cannot be created in favor of any one, without imposing a corresponding obligation on another. In what manner is a right of property in land conferred on me? By imposing upon every body, except myself the obligation not to touch its produce.

Quoting a political radical is exactly what I expected. If you force labor on A to supply B, you are advocating for slavery

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

They are free to quit.

Yup. They are. But that’s not what the PP wants. The PP wants forced labor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

I just have to ask.....

Did you take the same stance during the protests and riots of the summer of 2020? Or, were those "righteous" and "good" and therefore, the closing of a highway or businesses are just the cost of supporting the cause?

People were arrested for prolonged obstruction or confrontation. Protesters were arrested if they committed crimes. Don’t be daft. Peaceful protesters were gassed and beaten by the Park Police to clear Lafayette Square so Trump could pose with an upside down Bible.

They were bailed out, even those who committed heinous crimes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

If you don't want to work, then don't. But that doesn't give you the right to block a public street for weeks on end because you don't want to work.

What do you think happens when the truckers stop rolling?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WTF is wrong with America? Why are we discussing a group of goons who protested a policy in their country?

Maybe BCS Canadians are so snotty about the U.S? And the Trumpers and the 6th of January? Do you know that some of my Canadian friends asked me if I voted for Trump and told me that they could not see me if I did? That they are so civilized while some Americans were clearly nasty, racists?
And explained to me how horrified they were about what was happening in the U.S? And how terribly the U.S. was handling the pandemic when they were doing so awesome? Yep, they need to get off their high and mighty judgy horse.

AND?

The Trump lunatics storming the capitols has 59 pages and this one 69? What country do you care about? Yes, Jan 6th was way way more horrible and you should care more for that one in case you want to live in a functioning democracy than what Canada and Mexico is doing...

There’s a much bigger thread started on January 6 that’s 200+ pages. Plus many others. The one you’re talking about is just about the Congressional committee that’s investigating.

The fencing has returned around the Capitol. (The Truckers are coming to DC.)

You know these violent protesters in Ottawa? That had huge trailer truck and semis parked right in front of their Parliament? Yeah, so violent they are. I bet you American truckers will have some idea of what they can demolish with their trucks!

I can demolish a lot with my own SUV. I don’t. So no violence.

Hence my point. You choose not to as did they. I doubt those that think January 6th was just a joke share your pacifist behaviors.

Can you show me the video of the truckers demolishing anything, including Parliament?