US coronavirus cases top 10,000 and on the same or worse curve than Italy

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

Any public web site is listing the amount of tests being done each day: bing, jhu, worldometer, statista and so on. The 2nd paragraph is stated as suspicion but not uninformed as the information comes from the same public sites.

I would ask you present stats to the opposite. I will concede the raw numbers coming in from places like CA, FL, AZ and TX are very high but I argue they are artificially high.

Yeah, that's all just a bunch of raw data. I've seen it. The rest is interpretation, not evidence. I'm disagreeing with your interpretation, which is speculative and not supported by the data you have presented.

Great, I'm glad you agree with my statement and I assume your interpretation is we will head back into pandemic stage soon and the data from the states is accurate. However, there have been a number of not-very-public admissions by health departments of data errors. They have not stated how large they are.

In addition, as far as Europe goes and how great their numbers are, France hasn't reported daily testing results since April 21. Shockingly, this is when their covid numbers took a nose dive. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-total-confirmed-cases-vs-total-tests-conducted?tab=table&time=2020-04-22
I also took a look at France's web site directly to confirm this.

Not sure what you think I agree with, but you play fast and loose with the facts. France is not Europe. And anyway, there is recent French data on Worldometer.

I don't think we will re-enter pandemic because I don't think we ever left. The claim that CDC said the pandemic is over was not substantiated and in any event, the federal government and every state is in some version of pandemic mode.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

Any public web site is listing the amount of tests being done each day: bing, jhu, worldometer, statista and so on. The 2nd paragraph is stated as suspicion but not uninformed as the information comes from the same public sites.

I would ask you present stats to the opposite. I will concede the raw numbers coming in from places like CA, FL, AZ and TX are very high but I argue they are artificially high.

Yeah, that's all just a bunch of raw data. I've seen it. The rest is interpretation, not evidence. I'm disagreeing with your interpretation, which is speculative and not supported by the data you have presented.

Great, I'm glad you agree with my statement and I assume your interpretation is we will head back into pandemic stage soon and the data from the states is accurate. However, there have been a number of not-very-public admissions by health departments of data errors. They have not stated how large they are.

In addition, as far as Europe goes and how great their numbers are, France hasn't reported daily testing results since April 21. Shockingly, this is when their covid numbers took a nose dive. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-total-confirmed-cases-vs-total-tests-conducted?tab=table&time=2020-04-22
I also took a look at France's web site directly to confirm this.

Not sure what you think I agree with, but you play fast and loose with the facts. France is not Europe. And anyway, there is recent French data on Worldometer.

I don't think we will re-enter pandemic because I don't think we ever left. The claim that CDC said the pandemic is over was not substantiated and in any event, the federal government and every state is in some version of pandemic mode.

Now I know you are just a lying troll. Worldometer has data on cases but France's daily testing remains the same day over day. And since when is France not part of Europe? I've presented 2 major EU nations with combined populations over 90,000,000 showing very little or not showing any testing data. What will it take to show the data being presented in the msm is really flawed.

And as far as the CDC goes, they absolutely show the pandemic is no longer in a pandemic stage by their own definition.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

Any public web site is listing the amount of tests being done each day: bing, jhu, worldometer, statista and so on. The 2nd paragraph is stated as suspicion but not uninformed as the information comes from the same public sites.

I would ask you present stats to the opposite. I will concede the raw numbers coming in from places like CA, FL, AZ and TX are very high but I argue they are artificially high.

Yeah, that's all just a bunch of raw data. I've seen it. The rest is interpretation, not evidence. I'm disagreeing with your interpretation, which is speculative and not supported by the data you have presented.

Great, I'm glad you agree with my statement and I assume your interpretation is we will head back into pandemic stage soon and the data from the states is accurate. However, there have been a number of not-very-public admissions by health departments of data errors. They have not stated how large they are.

In addition, as far as Europe goes and how great their numbers are, France hasn't reported daily testing results since April 21. Shockingly, this is when their covid numbers took a nose dive. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-total-confirmed-cases-vs-total-tests-conducted?tab=table&time=2020-04-22
I also took a look at France's web site directly to confirm this.

Not sure what you think I agree with, but you play fast and loose with the facts. France is not Europe. And anyway, there is recent French data on Worldometer.

I don't think we will re-enter pandemic because I don't think we ever left. The claim that CDC said the pandemic is over was not substantiated and in any event, the federal government and every state is in some version of pandemic mode.

Now I know you are just a lying troll. Worldometer has data on cases but France's daily testing remains the same day over day. And since when is France not part of Europe? I've presented 2 major EU nations with combined populations over 90,000,000 showing very little or not showing any testing data. What will it take to show the data being presented in the msm is really flawed.

And as far as the CDC goes, they absolutely show the pandemic is no longer in a pandemic stage by their own definition.

You can call me what you like. You don't seem to understand anything you read, including my posts. I think you are the same deliberately obtuse poster who has been getting this wrong for months.

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Anonymous wrote:We had to shut down the entire country because we didn’t have testing place. We didn’t know where the infection was. We bungled it right out of the gate.

There are STILL long lines for testing all over the country. We still don’t have this right. Plus this:

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

Any public web site is listing the amount of tests being done each day: bing, jhu, worldometer, statista and so on. The 2nd paragraph is stated as suspicion but not uninformed as the information comes from the same public sites.

I would ask you present stats to the opposite. I will concede the raw numbers coming in from places like CA, FL, AZ and TX are very high but I argue they are artificially high.

Yeah, that's all just a bunch of raw data. I've seen it. The rest is interpretation, not evidence. I'm disagreeing with your interpretation, which is speculative and not supported by the data you have presented.

Great, I'm glad you agree with my statement and I assume your interpretation is we will head back into pandemic stage soon and the data from the states is accurate. However, there have been a number of not-very-public admissions by health departments of data errors. They have not stated how large they are.

In addition, as far as Europe goes and how great their numbers are, France hasn't reported daily testing results since April 21. Shockingly, this is when their covid numbers took a nose dive. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-total-confirmed-cases-vs-total-tests-conducted?tab=table&time=2020-04-22
I also took a look at France's web site directly to confirm this.

Not sure what you think I agree with, but you play fast and loose with the facts. France is not Europe. And anyway, there is recent French data on Worldometer.

I don't think we will re-enter pandemic because I don't think we ever left. The claim that CDC said the pandemic is over was not substantiated and in any event, the federal government and every state is in some version of pandemic mode.

Now I know you are just a lying troll. Worldometer has data on cases but France's daily testing remains the same day over day. And since when is France not part of Europe? I've presented 2 major EU nations with combined populations over 90,000,000 showing very little or not showing any testing data. What will it take to show the data being presented in the msm is really flawed.

And as far as the CDC goes, they absolutely show the pandemic is no longer in a pandemic stage by their own definition.

You can call me what you like. You don't seem to understand anything you read, including my posts. I think you are the same deliberately obtuse poster who has been getting this wrong for months.

Dude, you got killed. Time to stop.

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Under President Kennedy, we went to the moon.


Under President Rrump, we can't even go to Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

Any public web site is listing the amount of tests being done each day: bing, jhu, worldometer, statista and so on. The 2nd paragraph is stated as suspicion but not uninformed as the information comes from the same public sites.

I would ask you present stats to the opposite. I will concede the raw numbers coming in from places like CA, FL, AZ and TX are very high but I argue they are artificially high.

Yeah, that's all just a bunch of raw data. I've seen it. The rest is interpretation, not evidence. I'm disagreeing with your interpretation, which is speculative and not supported by the data you have presented.

Great, I'm glad you agree with my statement and I assume your interpretation is we will head back into pandemic stage soon and the data from the states is accurate. However, there have been a number of not-very-public admissions by health departments of data errors. They have not stated how large they are.

In addition, as far as Europe goes and how great their numbers are, France hasn't reported daily testing results since April 21. Shockingly, this is when their covid numbers took a nose dive. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-total-confirmed-cases-vs-total-tests-conducted?tab=table&time=2020-04-22
I also took a look at France's web site directly to confirm this.

Not sure what you think I agree with, but you play fast and loose with the facts. France is not Europe. And anyway, there is recent French data on Worldometer.

I don't think we will re-enter pandemic because I don't think we ever left. The claim that CDC said the pandemic is over was not substantiated and in any event, the federal government and every state is in some version of pandemic mode.

Now I know you are just a lying troll. Worldometer has data on cases but France's daily testing remains the same day over day. And since when is France not part of Europe? I've presented 2 major EU nations with combined populations over 90,000,000 showing very little or not showing any testing data. What will it take to show the data being presented in the msm is really flawed.

And as far as the CDC goes, they absolutely show the pandemic is no longer in a pandemic stage by their own definition.

You can call me what you like. You don't seem to understand anything you read, including my posts. I think you are the same deliberately obtuse poster who has been getting this wrong for months.

Dude, you got killed. Time to stop.

Whatever. You didn't understand my posts either then. PP does not read or understand the sources he links to or quote. This is a habit with him. If you read back in this carefully thread, you'll see it too. I was done a long time ago, which is why I don't bother to explain anymore.

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Anyone who has had COVID 19 is disqualified from military service, says the Pentagon.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/?fbclid=IwAR1U4q4YdRiPXyzF8vAnuGsobCCUYCbA2Z8VTMGMnm2nUSo_AfY1PtKIVA4

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The view from Europe

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Fascinating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuKo_PCpHSo

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Like, we've been saying this since February, and they are just getting to it now??????????

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Could this article possible convince those people who have been saying in this thread that we have to open due to the economy that they were very wrong?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html

nah... they just cannot bear to follow the data.

[Anonymous]

So, about the edict to open all k-12 schools next month...

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Anonymous wrote:So, about the edict to open all k-12 schools next month...

I suspect many parents will keep their kids home and say, "come arrest me."