US coronavirus cases top 10,000 and on the same or worse curve than Italy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

DP. whether the numbers are spot on, or not, the fact is, if the President had set a serious tone to this in February and had asked ALL Americans to wear masks or even coverings if masks were not available, we could have avoided the lockdown and the economic fallout, and our numbers would be a trickle right now.

[Anonymous]

This seems like a bad political calculation

[Anonymous]

US is failing it’s fight against COVID. European Union is winning. The difference is Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US is failing it’s fight against COVID. European Union is winning. The difference is Trump.

The difference is far less testing in the EU, very inaccurate testing and reporting procedures in the US, open protests across the country and a re-opening of the south and sw far too soon. This is a Fauci/Birx/CDC/Trump/Governor problem in not recognizing the virus started in the NE and would spread east and through the population centers of the country. The close-the-states orders were far too soon for most of the country and should have been graduated. A country the size of the US should not have been treated as if it was a very small geographic country.

[Anonymous]

The protests did not cause a spike.

Please cite less testing in the EU.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

[Anonymous]

We had to shut down the entire country because we didn’t have testing place. We didn’t know where the infection was. We bungled it right out of the gate.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

Any public web site is listing the amount of tests being done each day: bing, jhu, worldometer, statista and so on. The 2nd paragraph is stated as suspicion but not uninformed as the information comes from the same public sites.

I would ask you present stats to the opposite. I will concede the raw numbers coming in from places like CA, FL, AZ and TX are very high but I argue they are artificially high.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

Any public web site is listing the amount of tests being done each day: bing, jhu, worldometer, statista and so on. The 2nd paragraph is stated as suspicion but not uninformed as the information comes from the same public sites.

I would ask you present stats to the opposite. I will concede the raw numbers coming in from places like CA, FL, AZ and TX are very high but I argue they are artificially high.

Yeah, that's all just a bunch of raw data. I've seen it. The rest is interpretation, not evidence. I'm disagreeing with your interpretation, which is speculative and not supported by the data you have presented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained

If the US had treated Covid with the same seriousness that Europe did, we would have had only 1.1 million cases here, instead of the 2.9 million we have had under trump. Can’t we should at least as much organization as the European Union? That’s a huge group of countries with more open borders than the US, and yet we have far more cases. Trump is responsible for the piss-poor response here. He is responsible for 1.8 million excess cases of Covid in the US.

This is false. Western Europe with a population of 380,000,000 has done far worse than the US in almost every respect. They have more fatalities and a much lower concentration of testing. Up until Mid-May, when many US states changed the way they took tests and reported their results and coinciding with the reduction of testing in Western Europe, the infection rate was about the same. In essence, Western Europe took the Trump approach of "since we have fewer fatalities and our infected (younger) aren't getting as sick, we can slow down testing."

Do you have any evidence for this?

According to Italy, they are a country of over 60,000,000 and perform about 30,000 tests in a day. Just California, with a population of 38,000,000 reported to perform 130,000 daily tests. This not only calls into question why Italy is only performing 30,000 tests a day but how is California able to perform 130,000 tests a day.

My suspicion is Italy no longer believes the virus to be as deadly as it once was and I also don't think California is capable of testing at this rate. If MD, with a population of 6,000,000 only performs about 10,000 tests a day how is CA able to produce 13x as much? The United States has a data collection and reporting problem to go along with a few real hotspots in the country but it is nowhere near as large as the msm is making it out to be.

No this, is not evidence, this is pure uninformed speculation. The most likely explanation is that Italy contained the virus, therefore there are fewer cases to test.

Any public web site is listing the amount of tests being done each day: bing, jhu, worldometer, statista and so on. The 2nd paragraph is stated as suspicion but not uninformed as the information comes from the same public sites.

I would ask you present stats to the opposite. I will concede the raw numbers coming in from places like CA, FL, AZ and TX are very high but I argue they are artificially high.

Yeah, that's all just a bunch of raw data. I've seen it. The rest is interpretation, not evidence. I'm disagreeing with your interpretation, which is speculative and not supported by the data you have presented.

Great, I'm glad you agree with my statement and I assume your interpretation is we will head back into pandemic stage soon and the data from the states is accurate. However, there have been a number of not-very-public admissions by health departments of data errors. They have not stated how large they are.

In addition, as far as Europe goes and how great their numbers are, France hasn't reported daily testing results since April 21. Shockingly, this is when their covid numbers took a nose dive. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-total-confirmed-cases-vs-total-tests-conducted?tab=table&time=2020-04-22
I also took a look at France's web site directly to confirm this.

[Anonymous]

This is a total shitshow. Trump is destroying our country.

Keep trying to spin this, trumpwads. The facts are not on your side.

[Anonymous]

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This is a total shitshow. Trump is destroying our country.

Keep trying to spin this, trumpwads. The facts are not on your side.

Yes, it's difficult to compare when countries aren't all reporting or testing on the same protocols.