Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Never forget Blake and Ryan’s racist asses got married near slaves chambers.

To be fair,
What multi millionaire millennial wasn’t married at an antebellum slave plantation? lol

Yes where is the hate at Affleck and Jlo? Reece Witherspoon and Ryan Phillipe?

Are you new here? A simple search can help you.

Not new and did a search of the forum. Clearly a slant to posts on Lively, barely a few posts on jlo/affleck. So yes I suspect intentional PR influence on this front.

There are super long threads hating in JLo. Not as sure about Reese -- if those threads, exist, they are older. But JLo has been heavily dragged on this site forever.

There's a lot of hate towards lively in here but I'd actually be surprised if there are PR plants on this website. It's too smalltime. More likely the PR folks focus on the really popular sites like deuxmoi on reddit. I do think some of the chatter from sites like that (including stuff planted by PR) finds it's way here, but I think it happens organically -- someone sees a story on reddit and posts it here.

This is a theory that kills all the British royals threads -- there are posters on here who think any post that is nice to MM is clearly a paid post. It's kind of funny. This website does not get enough traffic to get that treatment except maybe for local celebs.

This is the correct take. Some DC people just don't like Blske Lively and that's ok.

I think it’s one or two obsessed people who have been posting constantly. Most people don’t care much at all about her. And there seems to be a relationship that the more people dislike blake the more they like Justin and can’t say a negative word about him. Odd. The rest of the people say no matter what they think about blake they agree JB acted badly. But Blakes haters refuse to acknowledge any of her claims and instead talk about her wedding.

No I think people just don't care about Baldoni because he's not that famous. I don't think people like him -- he's just a non-entity. Lively is more ch more famous.

The negative feelings toward Lively precede this lawsuit AND precede the astroturf campaign against her this summer. Lively and Reynolds have been way overexposed the last few years and Lively in particular gets a lot of hate for that (probably partly because if misogyny but also because of substantive issues with her). I remember online hate on Lively way back when she tried to launch her lifestyle site (which failed, because it was bad and because she has never been likeable enough for that kind of venture). In fact I remember the criticism about the plantation wedding coinciding with criticism about Preserve (her lifestyle website) because both had this faux Southern belle vibe (Lively is a SoCal girl) that was weirdly inauthentic and out of step with the times. You don't see the same criticism of Reese Witherspoon because she actually is authentically southern. And while Meghan Markle gets tons of hate now, her lifestyle website (the Tig) was actually pretty successful because it was more authentic and had better content -- she only shuttered it because she was marrying Harry, whereas Lively's site was just a failure. That was 10 years ago -- hate on Lively is nothing new.

Thinking every negative thing you read about Lively online is a PR plant therefore doesn't make sense. A lot of people just do not like her and never have. I think some people are trying to decide whether to believe there allegations she's come out with, because they do in fact sound pretty bad, but people in general struggle with having sympathy for Lively due to her not being particularly likeable or popular.

Wtat is this response? Witherspoon is "authentically southern" so gets excused for having her wedding at a plantation???? And Jlo? You are a plant.

That's not what the comment says at all. The point is people have been hating on Lively for years and that hate blew up when her star rose earlier this year. She has never had a devoted fan base, which is why her lifestyle website failed pretty spectacularly and her acting career has been heavily carried by industry connections (Weinstein and then her husband).

Baldoni's people may have planted some stuff online and been gross and shady about it. But all it did was encourage an existing online distaste for Lively. It didn't create it.

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Anonymous wrote:Never forget Blake and Ryan’s racist asses got married near slaves chambers.

To be fair,
What multi millionaire millennial wasn’t married at an antebellum slave plantation? lol

Yes where is the hate at Affleck and Jlo? Reece Witherspoon and Ryan Phillipe?

Are you new here? A simple search can help you.

Not new and did a search of the forum. Clearly a slant to posts on Lively, barely a few posts on jlo/affleck. So yes I suspect intentional PR influence on this front.

There are super long threads hating in JLo. Not as sure about Reese -- if those threads, exist, they are older. But JLo has been heavily dragged on this site forever.

There's a lot of hate towards lively in here but I'd actually be surprised if there are PR plants on this website. It's too smalltime. More likely the PR folks focus on the really popular sites like deuxmoi on reddit. I do think some of the chatter from sites like that (including stuff planted by PR) finds it's way here, but I think it happens organically -- someone sees a story on reddit and posts it here.

This is a theory that kills all the British royals threads -- there are posters on here who think any post that is nice to MM is clearly a paid post. It's kind of funny. This website does not get enough traffic to get that treatment except maybe for local celebs.

This is the correct take. Some DC people just don't like Blske Lively and that's ok.

I think it’s one or two obsessed people who have been posting constantly. Most people don’t care much at all about her. And there seems to be a relationship that the more people dislike blake the more they like Justin and can’t say a negative word about him. Odd. The rest of the people say no matter what they think about blake they agree JB acted badly. But Blakes haters refuse to acknowledge any of her claims and instead talk about her wedding.

No I think people just don't care about Baldoni because he's not that famous. I don't think people like him -- he's just a non-entity. Lively is more ch more famous.

The negative feelings toward Lively precede this lawsuit AND precede the astroturf campaign against her this summer. Lively and Reynolds have been way overexposed the last few years and Lively in particular gets a lot of hate for that (probably partly because if misogyny but also because of substantive issues with her). I remember online hate on Lively way back when she tried to launch her lifestyle site (which failed, because it was bad and because she has never been likeable enough for that kind of venture). In fact I remember the criticism about the plantation wedding coinciding with criticism about Preserve (her lifestyle website) because both had this faux Southern belle vibe (Lively is a SoCal girl) that was weirdly inauthentic and out of step with the times. You don't see the same criticism of Reese Witherspoon because she actually is authentically southern. And while Meghan Markle gets tons of hate now, her lifestyle website (the Tig) was actually pretty successful because it was more authentic and had better content -- she only shuttered it because she was marrying Harry, whereas Lively's site was just a failure. That was 10 years ago -- hate on Lively is nothing new.

Thinking every negative thing you read about Lively online is a PR plant therefore doesn't make sense. A lot of people just do not like her and never have. I think some people are trying to decide whether to believe there allegations she's come out with, because they do in fact sound pretty bad, but people in general struggle with having sympathy for Lively due to her not being particularly likeable or popular.

Wtat is this response? Witherspoon is "authentically southern" so gets excused for having her wedding at a plantation???? And Jlo? You are a plant.

That's not what the comment says at all. The point is people have been hating on Lively for years and that hate blew up when her star rose earlier this year. She has never had a devoted fan base, which is why her lifestyle website failed pretty spectacularly and her acting career has been heavily carried by industry connections (Weinstein and then her husband).

Baldoni's people may have planted some stuff online and been gross and shady about it. But all it did was encourage an existing online distaste for Lively. It didn't create it.

Why should we take your word for it? Do you not believe in PR or what the point of crisis management is? It's no coincidence that the reporter who posted her video, in August no less, was a huge Johnny Depp fan. Johnny also happened to use the same crisis PR firm of Baldoni to destroy the women they wanted destroyed. But you see all of this as mere coincidence. So gullible.

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Anonymous wrote:To me it looks more like a coordinated effort against Baldoni because he is much lower on the Hollywood power structure than Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.I had never even heard of Justin Baldoni until this movie, but I have known about Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds for years, even though I have never seen Gossip Girl or a Deadpool film.

Well it is a coordinated effort because what he has done may be illegal, retaliation for sexual harassment. It's not people just being mean.

My point is that Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds have a lot more power in Hollywood and Baldoni is basically a nobody compared to them. So bringing out all the big guns looks like Hollywood power players going after a small time director. Again, I have never seen Gossip Girl or Deadpool, but it is impossible to read any entertainment media without seeing these two. I am not talking about whether she has a case just who has more power in Hollywood.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

How was it designed to cause a negative opinion when Lively was on film acting like a jerk to a reporter. She did that herself, and it was very rude. The reporter may have been awkward with calling the baby a "bump" but she was trying to congratulate Blake on the pregnancy. Blake took that and ran with a mean girl response Then when the video is released she continues to claim she is a victim.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

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Anonymous wrote:To me it looks more like a coordinated effort against Baldoni because he is much lower on the Hollywood power structure than Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.I had never even heard of Justin Baldoni until this movie, but I have known about Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds for years, even though I have never seen Gossip Girl or a Deadpool film.

Well it is a coordinated effort because what he has done may be illegal, retaliation for sexual harassment. It's not people just being mean.

My point is that Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds have a lot more power in Hollywood and Baldoni is basically a nobody compared to them. So bringing out all the big guns looks like Hollywood power players going after a small time director. Again, I have never seen Gossip Girl or Deadpool, but it is impossible to read any entertainment media without seeing these two. I am not talking about whether she has a case just who has more power in Hollywood.

+1, I find the efforts to paint her as a victim who was taken advantage of by a more powerful player bizarre. His on set behavior sucked and he should have been fired for it. In fact I don't understand why he wasn't. Why wasn't there always an intimacy coordinator on set? That's something a co-produced like Lively could have and should have been able to demand from the jump.

Something about this whole story does not make sense and both sides have been paying PR folks to manipulate the press and the public.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

How was it designed to cause a negative opinion when Lively was on film acting like a jerk to a reporter. She did that herself, and it was very rude. The reporter may have been awkward with calling the baby a "bump" but she was trying to congratulate Blake on the pregnancy. Blake took that and ran with a mean girl response Then when the video is released she continues to claim she is a victim.

That clip was like 8 years old. And that reporter, who was a big fan of Johnny who used the same crisis PR team as Baldoni just happened to report it at that same exact time? Hmm?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

I'm a lawyer.

That's not a complaint. It's a precursor to a complaint. And the facts allege are designed (by a lawyer) to selectively bias both the judge and the public. It's not an unbiased accounting and there is definitely context left out of the complaint that would be beneficial to Baldoni. This is why there is often a rush to "file first." It helps you control the narrative. So that document actually IS a form of PR.

Here are questions I have regarding that complaint that the "facts" don't address:

- Why was there not an intimacy coordinator on set from the start? That's standard at this point and I find it bizarre Lively's own contract with the production would not address that. Sometimes actors waive it because they have a high level of comfort with their costar and director. But it sounds like Lively and Baldoni barely knew each other, and Baldoni was an inexperienced director. It makes no sense.

- As a co-producer, Lively would have had a lot more power on set than this complaint seems to indicate. Some of the interactions it detail read as weird because while it's easy to imagine this sort of thing happening even to a mid career actress with done star power, it doesn't make sense in this specific scenario with a producing actor interacting with people far less famous and powerful. People are walking into her trailer while she's changing? That sounds so odd (and like a disorganized, unprofessional set). Something about these relationships is missing here.

- We know from press reports that Lively exercised a ton of producing power behind the scenes. Reynolds wrote scenes for the movie (potentially in violation of the writers strike, actually) that were forced onto Baldoni et al and shot and in the final cut. Reynolds did his own cut if the movie and that's the one that made it into theaters. If Lively/Reynolds had that kind of creative control, why was Lively seemingly without power early in the production?

Without answers to these questions, I don't have an opinion on that set. I am a survivor of workplace sexual harassment. I take it seriously. But I know well that these issues are absolutely about power differentials being exploited. I don't understand how Baldoni exploited power over Lively that, based on their relative power on the production, I don't see how he ever had. On a set like that, Lively and her team would be viewed as co-powerful or more powerful than Baldoni. If Reynolds was around or exercising influence, everyone would defer to him. No one is going to follow Justin Baldoni, a relative no one, over Ryan Reynolds, one of maybe 4 or 5 most powerful people in Hollywood right now.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

I'm a lawyer.

That's not a complaint. It's a precursor to a complaint. And the facts allege are designed (by a lawyer) to selectively bias both the judge and the public. It's not an unbiased accounting and there is definitely context left out of the complaint that would be beneficial to Baldoni. This is why there is often a rush to "file first." It helps you control the narrative. So that document actually IS a form of PR.

Here are questions I have regarding that complaint that the "facts" don't address:

- Why was there not an intimacy coordinator on set from the start? That's standard at this point and I find it bizarre Lively's own contract with the production would not address that. Sometimes actors waive it because they have a high level of comfort with their costar and director. But it sounds like Lively and Baldoni barely knew each other, and Baldoni was an inexperienced director. It makes no sense.

- As a co-producer, Lively would have had a lot more power on set than this complaint seems to indicate. Some of the interactions it detail read as weird because while it's easy to imagine this sort of thing happening even to a mid career actress with done star power, it doesn't make sense in this specific scenario with a producing actor interacting with people far less famous and powerful. People are walking into her trailer while she's changing? That sounds so odd (and like a disorganized, unprofessional set). Something about these relationships is missing here.

- We know from press reports that Lively exercised a ton of producing power behind the scenes. Reynolds wrote scenes for the movie (potentially in violation of the writers strike, actually) that were forced onto Baldoni et al and shot and in the final cut. Reynolds did his own cut if the movie and that's the one that made it into theaters. If Lively/Reynolds had that kind of creative control, why was Lively seemingly without power early in the production?

Without answers to these questions, I don't have an opinion on that set. I am a survivor of workplace sexual harassment. I take it seriously. But I know well that these issues are absolutely about power differentials being exploited. I don't understand how Baldoni exploited power over Lively that, based on their relative power on the production, I don't see how he ever had. On a set like that, Lively and her team would be viewed as co-powerful or more powerful than Baldoni. If Reynolds was around or exercising influence, everyone would defer to him. No one is going to follow Justin Baldoni, a relative no one, over Ryan Reynolds, one of maybe 4 or 5 most powerful people in Hollywood right now.

Weird that everyone unfollowed Baldoni and nobody supports him. He has more supporters among people who have never met him and never even heard of him than people who actually do.