Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

I'm a lawyer.

That's not a complaint. It's a precursor to a complaint. And the facts allege are designed (by a lawyer) to selectively bias both the judge and the public. It's not an unbiased accounting and there is definitely context left out of the complaint that would be beneficial to Baldoni. This is why there is often a rush to "file first." It helps you control the narrative. So that document actually IS a form of PR.

Here are questions I have regarding that complaint that the "facts" don't address:

- Why was there not an intimacy coordinator on set from the start? That's standard at this point and I find it bizarre Lively's own contract with the production would not address that. Sometimes actors waive it because they have a high level of comfort with their costar and director. But it sounds like Lively and Baldoni barely knew each other, and Baldoni was an inexperienced director. It makes no sense.

- As a co-producer, Lively would have had a lot more power on set than this complaint seems to indicate. Some of the interactions it detail read as weird because while it's easy to imagine this sort of thing happening even to a mid career actress with done star power, it doesn't make sense in this specific scenario with a producing actor interacting with people far less famous and powerful. People are walking into her trailer while she's changing? That sounds so odd (and like a disorganized, unprofessional set). Something about these relationships is missing here.

- We know from press reports that Lively exercised a ton of producing power behind the scenes. Reynolds wrote scenes for the movie (potentially in violation of the writers strike, actually) that were forced onto Baldoni et al and shot and in the final cut. Reynolds did his own cut if the movie and that's the one that made it into theaters. If Lively/Reynolds had that kind of creative control, why was Lively seemingly without power early in the production?

Without answers to these questions, I don't have an opinion on that set. I am a survivor of workplace sexual harassment. I take it seriously. But I know well that these issues are absolutely about power differentials being exploited. I don't understand how Baldoni exploited power over Lively that, based on their relative power on the production, I don't see how he ever had. On a set like that, Lively and her team would be viewed as co-powerful or more powerful than Baldoni. If Reynolds was around or exercising influence, everyone would defer to him. No one is going to follow Justin Baldoni, a relative no one, over Ryan Reynolds, one of maybe 4 or 5 most powerful people in Hollywood right now.

Weird that everyone unfollowed Baldoni and nobody supports him. He has more supporters among people who have never met him and never even heard of him than people who actually do.

Even his PR people can't stand him, per their texts!

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Anonymous wrote:To me it looks more like a coordinated effort against Baldoni because he is much lower on the Hollywood power structure than Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.I had never even heard of Justin Baldoni until this movie, but I have known about Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds for years, even though I have never seen Gossip Girl or a Deadpool film.

A coordinated effort with backing by the author of the book and other cast members on set. Sure, sure.

I actually think it's hard to deny that Lively and Reynolds have been coordinating an attack on Baldoni (legally and in the press) with their lawyers and PR people since the strike hiatus. I think the attack was prompted by Baldoni's on set behavior, so he brought it on himself, but it's pretty clear that the lawsuit and recent PR attack (including the NYT piece that was quite clearly planted by Lively's team and is kind of weird in it's focus) are part of a multi step and coordinated campaign. They are incredibly wealthy and no doubt see this as a necessary action to protect their brand.

Now explain why Baldoni launched a preemptive strike.

Bad blood on set, Reynolds being brought in to write scenes, Reynolds doing his own cut if the movie and that's the cut that was released, Lively freezing out Baldoni during promotion of the film, potentially Lively trying to undermine the film with some if her antics during promotion (her weird responses on DV issues, using film events to promote her branded products). Baldoni likely could already see Lively/Reynolds building a narrative against him and sought to undermine her in the press.

It really looks to me like they were both playing stupid games with this movie. I think they just didn't like each other, both have bad personalities and have done weird/inappropriate things, and now it's just a battle of publicists and lawyers to see who is left standing. It will be Lively but it's not really a fair fight.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

How was it designed to cause a negative opinion when Lively was on film acting like a jerk to a reporter. She did that herself, and it was very rude. The reporter may have been awkward with calling the baby a "bump" but she was trying to congratulate Blake on the pregnancy. Blake took that and ran with a mean girl response Then when the video is released she continues to claim she is a victim.

That clip was like 8 years old. And that reporter, who was a big fan of Johnny who used the same crisis PR team as Baldoni just happened to report it at that same exact time? Hmm?

Oh his PR people absolutely dug up that clip and likely paid that reporter to post it.

But it doesn't change the fact that it's a real clip and it's Lively's behavior on display. It's not like they spread an untrue rumor or posted a deep fake.

If I was in a professional/legal battle with Blake Lively, I would do the same thing. Wouldn't you? If someone with a history of bad, entitled behavior was in the process of trying to destroy your professional reputation, would you not use that person's own prior bad behavior against them? I would.

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Anonymous wrote:To me it looks more like a coordinated effort against Baldoni because he is much lower on the Hollywood power structure than Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.I had never even heard of Justin Baldoni until this movie, but I have known about Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds for years, even though I have never seen Gossip Girl or a Deadpool film.

A coordinated effort with backing by the author of the book and other cast members on set. Sure, sure.

I actually think it's hard to deny that Lively and Reynolds have been coordinating an attack on Baldoni (legally and in the press) with their lawyers and PR people since the strike hiatus. I think the attack was prompted by Baldoni's on set behavior, so he brought it on himself, but it's pretty clear that the lawsuit and recent PR attack (including the NYT piece that was quite clearly planted by Lively's team and is kind of weird in it's focus) are part of a multi step and coordinated campaign. They are incredibly wealthy and no doubt see this as a necessary action to protect their brand.

Now explain why Baldoni launched a preemptive strike.

Bad blood on set, Reynolds being brought in to write scenes, Reynolds doing his own cut if the movie and that's the cut that was released, Lively freezing out Baldoni during promotion of the film, potentially Lively trying to undermine the film with some if her antics during promotion (her weird responses on DV issues, using film events to promote her branded products). Baldoni likely could already see Lively/Reynolds building a narrative against him and sought to undermine her in the press.

It really looks to me like they were both playing stupid games with this movie. I think they just didn't like each other, both have bad personalities and have done weird/inappropriate things, and now it's just a battle of publicists and lawyers to see who is left standing. It will be Lively but it's not really a fair fight.

You really haven't read the docs, have you?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

How was it designed to cause a negative opinion when Lively was on film acting like a jerk to a reporter. She did that herself, and it was very rude. The reporter may have been awkward with calling the baby a "bump" but she was trying to congratulate Blake on the pregnancy. Blake took that and ran with a mean girl response Then when the video is released she continues to claim she is a victim.

That clip was like 8 years old. And that reporter, who was a big fan of Johnny who used the same crisis PR team as Baldoni just happened to report it at that same exact time? Hmm?

Oh his PR people absolutely dug up that clip and likely paid that reporter to post it.

But it doesn't change the fact that it's a real clip and it's Lively's behavior on display. It's not like they spread an untrue rumor or posted a deep fake.

If I was in a professional/legal battle with Blake Lively, I would do the same thing. Wouldn't you? If someone with a history of bad, entitled behavior was in the process of trying to destroy your professional reputation, would you not use that person's own prior bad behavior against them? I would.

It wasn't even a big deal. A reporter wanted to talk about her body, something that was agreed wouldn't be talked about prior to the interview. So what?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

This is not the only Blake Lively thread on this website. There have been others. There was a big thread about her promoting her "Betty Buzz" product, threads about her and Taylor Swift, threads about her kids and pregnancies, etc. Likely this thread blew up in August precisely because it was found as a general thread about her instead a specific thread about one of her other controversies. I also suspect some of those other threads were locked after getting too hate filled.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

This is not the only Blake Lively thread on this website. There have been others. There was a big thread about her promoting her "Betty Buzz" product, threads about her and Taylor Swift, threads about her kids and pregnancies, etc. Likely this thread blew up in August precisely because it was found as a general thread about her instead a specific thread about one of her other controversies. I also suspect some of those other threads were locked after getting too hate filled.

You really are naive.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

This is not the only Blake Lively thread on this website. There have been others. There was a big thread about her promoting her "Betty Buzz" product, threads about her and Taylor Swift, threads about her kids and pregnancies, etc. Likely this thread blew up in August precisely because it was found as a general thread about her instead a specific thread about one of her other controversies. I also suspect some of those other threads were locked after getting too hate filled.

You really are naive.

People disagree. You can search these boards confirm for yourself what PP wrote.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

How was it designed to cause a negative opinion when Lively was on film acting like a jerk to a reporter. She did that herself, and it was very rude. The reporter may have been awkward with calling the baby a "bump" but she was trying to congratulate Blake on the pregnancy. Blake took that and ran with a mean girl response Then when the video is released she continues to claim she is a victim.

That clip was like 8 years old. And that reporter, who was a big fan of Johnny who used the same crisis PR team as Baldoni just happened to report it at that same exact time? Hmm?

Oh his PR people absolutely dug up that clip and likely paid that reporter to post it.

But it doesn't change the fact that it's a real clip and it's Lively's behavior on display. It's not like they spread an untrue rumor or posted a deep fake.

If I was in a professional/legal battle with Blake Lively, I would do the same thing. Wouldn't you? If someone with a history of bad, entitled behavior was in the process of trying to destroy your professional reputation, would you not use that person's own prior bad behavior against them? I would.

It wasn't even a big deal. A reporter wanted to talk about her body, something that was agreed wouldn't be talked about prior to the interview. So what?

There was no agreement not to discuss her pregnancy before the interview, and if Lively didn't want to talk about it, there were more polite ways to communicate that.

Lively then attacks the reporter for asking about the costumes in the movie she's promoting, saying "would you ask a male actor that?" But the reporter honestly says "yes" because she was a fashion reporter specifically covering the film's period costumes and the whole point of the interview was to discuss the fashion in the movie.

Lively then spends the rest of the interview ignoring the reporter and talking to Posey, who sometimes indulges Lively and at other times tries to get the interview back on track.

Oh and the film in question? Cafe Society, written and directed by Woody Allen. Tell me again about how Lively is a feminist hero.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

How was it designed to cause a negative opinion when Lively was on film acting like a jerk to a reporter. She did that herself, and it was very rude. The reporter may have been awkward with calling the baby a "bump" but she was trying to congratulate Blake on the pregnancy. Blake took that and ran with a mean girl response Then when the video is released she continues to claim she is a victim.

That clip was like 8 years old. And that reporter, who was a big fan of Johnny who used the same crisis PR team as Baldoni just happened to report it at that same exact time? Hmm?

Oh his PR people absolutely dug up that clip and likely paid that reporter to post it.

But it doesn't change the fact that it's a real clip and it's Lively's behavior on display. It's not like they spread an untrue rumor or posted a deep fake.

If I was in a professional/legal battle with Blake Lively, I would do the same thing. Wouldn't you? If someone with a history of bad, entitled behavior was in the process of trying to destroy your professional reputation, would you not use that person's own prior bad behavior against them? I would.

It wasn't even a big deal. A reporter wanted to talk about her body, something that was agreed wouldn't be talked about prior to the interview. So what?

There was no agreement not to discuss her pregnancy before the interview, and if Lively didn't want to talk about it, there were more polite ways to communicate that.

Lively then attacks the reporter for asking about the costumes in the movie she's promoting, saying "would you ask a male actor that?" But the reporter honestly says "yes" because she was a fashion reporter specifically covering the film's period costumes and the whole point of the interview was to discuss the fashion in the movie.

Lively then spends the rest of the interview ignoring the reporter and talking to Posey, who sometimes indulges Lively and at other times tries to get the interview back on track.

Oh and the film in question? Cafe Society, written and directed by Woody Allen. Tell me again about how Lively is a feminist hero.

Lol you think actors don't have things that are off the table in interviews? They want to talk about their job, role, whatever not their personal life.

But let's talk about the real feminist here, Justin Baldoni, he obviously loves and respects women.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

How was it designed to cause a negative opinion when Lively was on film acting like a jerk to a reporter. She did that herself, and it was very rude. The reporter may have been awkward with calling the baby a "bump" but she was trying to congratulate Blake on the pregnancy. Blake took that and ran with a mean girl response Then when the video is released she continues to claim she is a victim.

That clip was like 8 years old. And that reporter, who was a big fan of Johnny who used the same crisis PR team as Baldoni just happened to report it at that same exact time? Hmm?

Oh his PR people absolutely dug up that clip and likely paid that reporter to post it.

But it doesn't change the fact that it's a real clip and it's Lively's behavior on display. It's not like they spread an untrue rumor or posted a deep fake.

If I was in a professional/legal battle with Blake Lively, I would do the same thing. Wouldn't you? If someone with a history of bad, entitled behavior was in the process of trying to destroy your professional reputation, would you not use that person's own prior bad behavior against them? I would.

It wasn't even a big deal. A reporter wanted to talk about her body, something that was agreed wouldn't be talked about prior to the interview. So what?

There was no agreement not to discuss her pregnancy before the interview, and if Lively didn't want to talk about it, there were more polite ways to communicate that.

Lively then attacks the reporter for asking about the costumes in the movie she's promoting, saying "would you ask a male actor that?" But the reporter honestly says "yes" because she was a fashion reporter specifically covering the film's period costumes and the whole point of the interview was to discuss the fashion in the movie.

Lively then spends the rest of the interview ignoring the reporter and talking to Posey, who sometimes indulges Lively and at other times tries to get the interview back on track.

Oh and the film in question? Cafe Society, written and directed by Woody Allen. Tell me again about how Lively is a feminist hero.

I'm not even a fan of Blake Lively, but if this interview was the worst thing that paid opposition researchers found on her (from 10 years ago!), that really speaks well of her as a person actually.

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Some of you can't imagine that actually both Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively are kind of crappy people.

There is no "good guy" in this story. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:To me it looks more like a coordinated effort against Baldoni because he is much lower on the Hollywood power structure than Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.I had never even heard of Justin Baldoni until this movie, but I have known about Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds for years, even though I have never seen Gossip Girl or a Deadpool film.

A coordinated effort with backing by the author of the book and other cast members on set. Sure, sure.

I actually think it's hard to deny that Lively and Reynolds have been coordinating an attack on Baldoni (legally and in the press) with their lawyers and PR people since the strike hiatus. I think the attack was prompted by Baldoni's on set behavior, so he brought it on himself, but it's pretty clear that the lawsuit and recent PR attack (including the NYT piece that was quite clearly planted by Lively's team and is kind of weird in it's focus) are part of a multi step and coordinated campaign. They are incredibly wealthy and no doubt see this as a necessary action to protect their brand.

Now explain why Baldoni launched a preemptive strike.

Bad blood on set, Reynolds being brought in to write scenes, Reynolds doing his own cut if the movie and that's the cut that was released, Lively freezing out Baldoni during promotion of the film, potentially Lively trying to undermine the film with some if her antics during promotion (her weird responses on DV issues, using film events to promote her branded products). Baldoni likely could already see Lively/Reynolds building a narrative against him and sought to undermine her in the press.

It really looks to me like they were both playing stupid games with this movie. I think they just didn't like each other, both have bad personalities and have done weird/inappropriate things, and now it's just a battle of publicists and lawyers to see who is left standing. It will be Lively but it's not really a fair fight.

You really haven't read the docs, have you?

Why would anyone care to "read the docs" when they are not getting paid to? If people have to read the docs to be convinced after all of this publicity, then Lively is losing.

People need to understand how things look to someone who has a few minutes for celebrity gossip. And it looks like two of the richest people in Hollywood trying to convince me that one of them was victimized by a much lesser known actor and director.

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A coordinated effort with backing by the author of the book and other cast members on set. Sure, sure.

I actually think it's hard to deny that Lively and Reynolds have been coordinating an attack on Baldoni (legally and in the press) with their lawyers and PR people since the strike hiatus. I think the attack was prompted by Baldoni's on set behavior, so he brought it on himself, but it's pretty clear that the lawsuit and recent PR attack (including the NYT piece that was quite clearly planted by Lively's team and is kind of weird in it's focus) are part of a multi step and coordinated campaign. They are incredibly wealthy and no doubt see this as a necessary action to protect their brand.

Now explain why Baldoni launched a preemptive strike.

Bad blood on set, Reynolds being brought in to write scenes, Reynolds doing his own cut if the movie and that's the cut that was released, Lively freezing out Baldoni during promotion of the film, potentially Lively trying to undermine the film with some if her antics during promotion (her weird responses on DV issues, using film events to promote her branded products). Baldoni likely could already see Lively/Reynolds building a narrative against him and sought to undermine her in the press.

It really looks to me like they were both playing stupid games with this movie. I think they just didn't like each other, both have bad personalities and have done weird/inappropriate things, and now it's just a battle of publicists and lawyers to see who is left standing. It will be Lively but it's not really a fair fight.

You really haven't read the docs, have you?

Why would anyone care to "read the docs" when they are not getting paid to? If people have to read the docs to be convinced after all of this publicity, then Lively is losing.

People need to understand how things look to someone who has a few minutes for celebrity gossip. And it looks like two of the richest people in Hollywood trying to convince me that one of them was victimized by a much lesser known actor and director.

It doesn't look that way to a lot of people. Speak for yourself and your unwillingness to even know what's going on here. You've got your blinders on and your fingers in you're ears and you think you actually have a point.

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Anonymous wrote:To me it looks more like a coordinated effort against Baldoni because he is much lower on the Hollywood power structure than Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.I had never even heard of Justin Baldoni until this movie, but I have known about Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds for years, even though I have never seen Gossip Girl or a Deadpool film.

A coordinated effort with backing by the author of the book and other cast members on set. Sure, sure.

I actually think it's hard to deny that Lively and Reynolds have been coordinating an attack on Baldoni (legally and in the press) with their lawyers and PR people since the strike hiatus. I think the attack was prompted by Baldoni's on set behavior, so he brought it on himself, but it's pretty clear that the lawsuit and recent PR attack (including the NYT piece that was quite clearly planted by Lively's team and is kind of weird in it's focus) are part of a multi step and coordinated campaign. They are incredibly wealthy and no doubt see this as a necessary action to protect their brand.

Now explain why Baldoni launched a preemptive strike.

Bad blood on set, Reynolds being brought in to write scenes, Reynolds doing his own cut if the movie and that's the cut that was released, Lively freezing out Baldoni during promotion of the film, potentially Lively trying to undermine the film with some if her antics during promotion (her weird responses on DV issues, using film events to promote her branded products). Baldoni likely could already see Lively/Reynolds building a narrative against him and sought to undermine her in the press.

It really looks to me like they were both playing stupid games with this movie. I think they just didn't like each other, both have bad personalities and have done weird/inappropriate things, and now it's just a battle of publicists and lawyers to see who is left standing. It will be Lively but it's not really a fair fight.

You really haven't read the docs, have you?

Why would anyone care to "read the docs" when they are not getting paid to? If people have to read the docs to be convinced after all of this publicity, then Lively is losing.

People need to understand how things look to someone who has a few minutes for celebrity gossip. And it looks like two of the richest people in Hollywood trying to convince me that one of them was victimized by a much lesser known actor and director.

So keep supporting your winning horse, then.