Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very concerned to hear that McClean Hospital discharged her after only five days inpatient. That is far from ideal standard of care of post partum depression requiring inpatient treatment. When I used to be a prosecutor and I would commit patients involuntarily, I was always shocked in following the cases to see how quickly they would street people who were seriously mentally ill, but that was the state hospital. I once put a guy there whose family cut him down from a tree and revived him, he was dead but they restarted his heart with CPR, a miracle really. He was cognitively intact but obviously suicidally depressed and the state hospital discharged him in a week with SSRIs. SSRIs take weeks to reach full efficacy. But that’s our mental health system in this country.

I just don’t think this woman murdered her children with mens rea formed in a sane mind.

Ah, this picture explains everything. Y’all see a white woman hugging her kid and relate to her. That’s the reason for all the mental gymnastics to defend her and “she couldn’t have plotted to murder those kids!” UMC white women everywhere are scared to death that one of them could just be a cold blooded killer and not a victim of mental illness and a failed healthcare system. Perpetual victims..

I just don't understand how you can read this story, including that she was by all accounts a great mom prior to being hospitalized with severe mental health issues after birth of her child, and decide that the most rational explanation is that she was in fact a cold-blooded killer pretending to be a normal, loving mom for years while waiting for her moment

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You don't want to believe she's a cold blooded killer be ausr she looks like you. Has a similar background to you. People like you don't do that you think. Not unless something snapped.
And I could give you a list pages long of " picture perfect parents" who abused and killed their kids.

This is really just not true. I do believe that. I understand personality disorders, crimes of passion etc and fully believe people “like me” can do horrible things without being in a psychotic episode. But I also believe there is usually some underlying trauma or mental illness for most people who commit these atrocities and the evidence to me suggests it is much more likely that postpartum mental illness played a huge role here an without it, it likely wouldn’t have happened and no, I do not think it is likely she is a calculated cold blooded killer in the way you describe. And I think most people aren’t. Things are so complex usually. And that doesn’t mean peope don’t need to be held accountable, I have not indicated that she shouldn’t be accountable but that I disagree with the assertion that she likely plotted and is secretly some abusive parent behind the scenes as you mention.

I agree with you, often in these cases you start seeing the hinges come off - what seemed perfect you start then hearing reports of DV incidents prior that no one knew about, or concerns from school, little things start to come out. For me that has not been the case here. The facts that have come out have continued to align with my understanding and experience of a family trying to manage serious postpartum mental illness. That’s all I’m saying.

Bias is incredibly real. I hear you. But my assumptions here are based more on my training in mental health and how I’ve seen it present in very real situations than in what you’re assuming.

Very well said.

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I'm one of the PPs who lives nearby, had a similar experience, and did the 5 day program.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like members of Lindsay’s Army of love are here and passionately defending a child murderer. Babies and children can be slaughtered but the opportunity to defend a homely, white, professionally unaccomplished, pill popping and attention seeking failure must never be squandered. The projection is real.

Gross, no, and no one is passionately defending her personally in the way that you're suggesting. Repulsive.

Yes, they are, vociferously and repeatedly. They’re repulsive.

+100. I can only wonder what kind of family life people like PP have. It can’t be good. With all these new details, only the lowest of the low and personality disordered individuals could defend or empathize with this woman. I can’t even type her name, I’m so horrified and disgusted by her acts and that’s as it should be. Society needs to stop normalizing and excusing psychopathic behavior.

This stuff revealed in the hearing is very disturbing. But I think people really want to reserve judgment because these murders are just so out of the norm. When Bryan Kohberger was arrested, that made sense - angry jealous stalker type. Once we found out about Chris Watts’ affair, that made sense - enraged husband who wanted a new life. (Though I personally believe he only meant to kill his wife, and only killed the kids because he was temporarily insane and thought they would be better off dead than without a mother).

Here, this just doesn’t make sense. If Lindsay regretted having kids, why not just leave her family? Why risk life in prison by murdering them? And if she did decide that murder was the only way, why do it in this manner? She could’ve at least tried the Susan Smith route. Or a car accident, carbon monoxide poisoning, house fire, etc. Why kill them in a way that directly implicates her? And people on here are saying that she didn’t really intend to kill herself because she jumped out a window. But she’s paralyzed from the waist down, so I think she did actually want to die. She could’ve just taken a bottle of benedryl if she really want to “pretend”. It just doesn’t make sense! Either she’s the dumbest killer ever or she really was out of her mind.

At any rate, some of y’all are way too angry with her. Like the pp who said she’s professionally unaccomplished. Way to crap on an entire group of l&d nurses! Are they all professionally unaccomplished?! And she’s not homely. She’s a solid 7, and an 8 in some of her pictures. Of course Ted Bundy was a total smoke show so that doesn’t mean anything… but why go there? Y’all are weird.

She’s a nurse. She would know just how lethal Benedryl is. You don’t have to take that much to die. Regardless I don’t think that people are going to have a lot of sympathy. Even if you are hearing voices you know it’s wrong to act.

I'm a nurse, including working for many years in an ICU at Hopkins. I would have no idea how much Benadryl (or even morphine) I'd take if I wanted to kill myself. As in, I wouldn't even know what dose I'd start with. It's not exactly something you're taught in nursing school or on the job.

I'm actually scared that you are a nurse.

Ok genius (nurse here).
How many benedryl would it take? Since apparently every nurse would know.
25mg is a pediatric dose. 50mg is an adult.
Would you take 10? 20? 50? How many to stop respiratory function? I'll just look that right up in my handy Nursing Drug Handbook.
And of course, every patient responds differently to Benadryl AND you'd have to weight dose.
So maybe 60?
And you wouldn't want to overdose because then you'd risk throwing up right away and decreasing the sedative effect. Hmm. So maybe 40.

You don't need to have an exact dose it's pretty common knowledge that benadryl can be deadly and should not be mixed with certain meds or taken in excess.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very concerned to hear that McClean Hospital discharged her after only five days inpatient. That is far from ideal standard of care of post partum depression requiring inpatient treatment. When I used to be a prosecutor and I would commit patients involuntarily, I was always shocked in following the cases to see how quickly they would street people who were seriously mentally ill, but that was the state hospital. I once put a guy there whose family cut him down from a tree and revived him, he was dead but they restarted his heart with CPR, a miracle really. He was cognitively intact but obviously suicidally depressed and the state hospital discharged him in a week with SSRIs. SSRIs take weeks to reach full efficacy. But that’s our mental health system in this country.

I just don’t think this woman murdered her children with mens rea formed in a sane mind.

Ah, this picture explains everything. Y’all see a white woman hugging her kid and relate to her. That’s the reason for all the mental gymnastics to defend her and “she couldn’t have plotted to murder those kids!” UMC white women everywhere are scared to death that one of them could just be a cold blooded killer and not a victim of mental illness and a failed healthcare system. Perpetual victims..

I just don't understand how you can read this story, including that she was by all accounts a great mom prior to being hospitalized with severe mental health issues after birth of her child, and decide that the most rational explanation is that she was in fact a cold-blooded killer pretending to be a normal, loving mom for years while waiting for her moment

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You don't want to believe she's a cold blooded killer be ausr she looks like you. Has a similar background to you. People like you don't do that you think. Not unless something snapped.
And I could give you a list pages long of " picture perfect parents" who abused and killed their kids.

This is really just not true. I do believe that. I understand personality disorders, crimes of passion etc and fully believe people “like me” can do horrible things without being in a psychotic episode. But I also believe there is usually some underlying trauma or mental illness for most people who commit these atrocities and the evidence to me suggests it is much more likely that postpartum mental illness played a huge role here an without it, it likely wouldn’t have happened and no, I do not think it is likely she is a calculated cold blooded killer in the way you describe. And I think most people aren’t. Things are so complex usually. And that doesn’t mean peope don’t need to be held accountable, I have not indicated that she shouldn’t be accountable but that I disagree with the assertion that she likely plotted and is secretly some abusive parent behind the scenes as you mention.

I agree with you, often in these cases you start seeing the hinges come off - what seemed perfect you start then hearing reports of DV incidents prior that no one knew about, or concerns from school, little things start to come out. For me that has not been the case here. The facts that have come out have continued to align with my understanding and experience of a family trying to manage serious postpartum mental illness. That’s all I’m saying.

Bias is incredibly real. I hear you. But my assumptions here are based more on my training in mental health and how I’ve seen it present in very real situations than in what you’re assuming.

Love, you said a whole lot of nothing. What it comes down to is your support for her is because she looks like you.has a career like.

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People here also seem to have a perception of psychosis that is very inaccurate. Many have probably only interacted with severe mental illness with someone on the street with a particular type of psychosis happening. Sometimes delusions are quite quiet and impossible for the person experiencing them to determine what is happening. They are completely unaware. If she had fallen deeper it may explain why she had been raising flags earlier but stopped. Frankly based on my experience it all makes sense. The mental illness got worse and she was now in a state where she couldn’t decipher between which often looks like hiding it - she likely later would have said if this didn’t happen that she doesn’t really remember this time (now she might say that too but folks will be suspicious)

Thank you for this very cogent description. Since I fully believe that you're speaking from experience, I wonder if you would be willing to expand a bit on the bolded?

Pp here. Speaking from professional experience, not personal but for example, in order for something to be a delusion a person basically has to believe in something wildly untrue (not using clinical speak here ha) despite clear evidence to the contrary. But what can often be tricky is someone with delusions (this is just an example, I have no idea if she was having delusions), can be very normal in all other scenarios until something comes up about the delusion. You can be having an incredibly normal conversation and if you avoid the particular topic where the delusion lies, you would truly never know. It’s only if you happen to engage on that particular belief that suddenly things will seem very off. And the person doesn’t realize how off it is because for them it is reality so they wouldn’t say oh hey I’m concerned about myself I need help. There isn’t self awareness at this point.

I am in no way saying this particular situation with delusions being primary is what was happening, but instead trying to share that it is far more common than people here seem to think that someone could be having very scary thoughts or thoughts not aligned with reality and it not be immediately obvious every moment (like you can still call the pharmacy). Also, more likely in her scenario someone can at some points be in a place where when they have auditory hallucinations or intrusive thoughts where they are still aware and feel separate from them and then are more likely to say hey something is going on with me I need help like she did for the initial intrusive thoughts. But in different states, people can be very unaware and it’s like the self awareness is removed so they are in a state where they believe the voices or feel almost disconnected to themselves and very unaware of themselves and what they are doing. So they wouldn’t necessarily say anything to anyone even though they aren’t intentionally hiding it. Anyway there are so many ways it can present and I just think we cannot say what was going on for her based on the fact that she could have some conversations before this happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Lindsay had been on leave since May and had 2 children prior to this newest one. She wasn’t lacking in leave or knowledge of how to get babies to sleep.

She checked herself into a psych hospital three months ago and has been on 12 different psych meds since. Her husband called her psych doctors the week before begging to help her as she was “like a zombie.” They were trying to get help. She was clearly losing her sanity. She might never get it back and probably doesn’t want to, I wouldn’t. He should have left his job entirely until she was out of crisis but we all know work is priority #1 in the US and taking leave is frowned upon. Now they have lost everything. No, there’s not enough support for parents, not enough childcare options, not enough mental healthcare or maternity and postpartum medical and psychological support. Maybe none of that could have stopped this tragedy. But we could certainly prevent others. The truth is we say ‘you chose to have a kid it’s all on you to deal with it, not my problem.’ Even in states where women don’t have that choice. Jobs punish you or fire you for having to take time to care for young kids. Paid leave is rare, short, and discouraged. No one in our society wants to pay any extra to support new parents.

Yet he left this" zombie" with the kids for 30 minutes. Didn't order in and didn't take the kids with him. Something isn't adding up here. It will all come out in trial

She was the primary caregiver (took the kids to the dr’s, made a snowman with them) so that to me tells me that she was not under direction to be chaperoned with the kids. She was OK to be alone with them. PC also made it clear that he was never told to not leave them alone w/ her.

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Its weird that she was admitted at the beginning of January but had been acting like she was so much better to everyone. Why didn't she tell anyone that she was feeling bad again and needed to be admitted again. She had already been admitted once so she knew it was possible. She had loving and involved parents and husband, why didn't she just tell her parents she needed them to stay, or take the kids, or anything? She had already admitted previously to having thoughts of harming the kids. So why didn't she admit those thoughts were back? She chose not to do this and the most likely reason is that she didn't want to be stopped this time.

Suicidal people will sometimes reach a point where they pretend not be suicidal so they can make their attempt without intervention. It's also possible that, if she were psychotic (because we won't know until the trial what the medical evaluation really is), her delusions implored her to hide the symptoms and plan so she could carry it out.

Exactly- My ex-boyfriends mother took her own life after having 7 children. She would have a baby, get PPD, then get pregnant again because it made her feel better and then go into depression again after having the next baby. After the 7th child was born she had to be instituted and when the doctors determined that she was better, she was able to go home. She asked that the kids not be there when she got home so she could have a day to settle in. It turned out that she had a gun hidden in the house and used it to take her own life that night, she had clearly pretented to be better and plotted this out.

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People here also seem to have a perception of psychosis that is very inaccurate. Many have probably only interacted with severe mental illness with someone on the street with a particular type of psychosis happening. Sometimes delusions are quite quiet and impossible for the person experiencing them to determine what is happening. They are completely unaware. If she had fallen deeper it may explain why she had been raising flags earlier but stopped. Frankly based on my experience it all makes sense. The mental illness got worse and she was now in a state where she couldn’t decipher between which often looks like hiding it - she likely later would have said if this didn’t happen that she doesn’t really remember this time (now she might say that too but folks will be suspicious)

Thank you for this very cogent description. Since I fully believe that you're speaking from experience, I wonder if you would be willing to expand a bit on the bolded?

Pp here. Speaking from professional experience, not personal but for example, in order for something to be a delusion a person basically has to believe in something wildly untrue (not using clinical speak here ha) despite clear evidence to the contrary. But what can often be tricky is someone with delusions (this is just an example, I have no idea if she was having delusions), can be very normal in all other scenarios until something comes up about the delusion. You can be having an incredibly normal conversation and if you avoid the particular topic where the delusion lies, you would truly never know. It’s only if you happen to engage on that particular belief that suddenly things will seem very off. And the person doesn’t realize how off it is because for them it is reality so they wouldn’t say oh hey I’m concerned about myself I need help. There isn’t self awareness at this point.

I am in no way saying this particular situation with delusions being primary is what was happening, but instead trying to share that it is far more common than people here seem to think that someone could be having very scary thoughts or thoughts not aligned with reality and it not be immediately obvious every moment (like you can still call the pharmacy). Also, more likely in her scenario someone can at some points be in a place where when they have auditory hallucinations or intrusive thoughts where they are still aware and feel separate from them and then are more likely to say hey something is going on with me I need help like she did for the initial intrusive thoughts. But in different states, people can be very unaware and it’s like the self awareness is removed so they are in a state where they believe the voices or feel almost disconnected to themselves and very unaware of themselves and what they are doing. So they wouldn’t necessarily say anything to anyone even though they aren’t intentionally hiding it. Anyway there are so many ways it can present and I just think we cannot say what was going on for her based on the fact that she could have some conversations before this happened.

That is really fascinating. It almost sounds as though you are saying that if someone had a deeply delusional belief that was the product of postpartum psychosis that developed from postpartum depression or anxiety, she might have gone through a course of illness in which she seemed outwardly "better"--less floridly depressed--while actually being much more dangerously ill. Y/N?

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Its weird that she was admitted at the beginning of January but had been acting like she was so much better to everyone. Why didn't she tell anyone that she was feeling bad again and needed to be admitted again. She had already been admitted once so she knew it was possible. She had loving and involved parents and husband, why didn't she just tell her parents she needed them to stay, or take the kids, or anything? She had already admitted previously to having thoughts of harming the kids. So why didn't she admit those thoughts were back? She chose not to do this and the most likely reason is that she didn't want to be stopped this time.

Suicidal people will sometimes reach a point where they pretend not be suicidal so they can make their attempt without intervention. It's also possible that, if she were psychotic (because we won't know until the trial what the medical evaluation really is), her delusions implored her to hide the symptoms and plan so she could carry it out.

Exactly- My ex-boyfriends mother took her own life after having 7 children. She would have a baby, get PPD, then get pregnant again because it made her feel better and then go into depression again after having the next baby. After the 7th child was born she had to be instituted and when the doctors determined that she was better, she was able to go home. She asked that the kids not be there when she got home so she could have a day to settle in. It turned out that she had a gun hidden in the house and used it to take her own life that night, she had clearly pretented to be better and plotted this out.

But she didn't kill THEM. Thank goodness. Big difference.

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People here also seem to have a perception of psychosis that is very inaccurate. Many have probably only interacted with severe mental illness with someone on the street with a particular type of psychosis happening. Sometimes delusions are quite quiet and impossible for the person experiencing them to determine what is happening. They are completely unaware. If she had fallen deeper it may explain why she had been raising flags earlier but stopped. Frankly based on my experience it all makes sense. The mental illness got worse and she was now in a state where she couldn’t decipher between which often looks like hiding it - she likely later would have said if this didn’t happen that she doesn’t really remember this time (now she might say that too but folks will be suspicious)

Thank you for this very cogent description. Since I fully believe that you're speaking from experience, I wonder if you would be willing to expand a bit on the bolded?

Pp here. Speaking from professional experience, not personal but for example, in order for something to be a delusion a person basically has to believe in something wildly untrue (not using clinical speak here ha) despite clear evidence to the contrary. But what can often be tricky is someone with delusions (this is just an example, I have no idea if she was having delusions), can be very normal in all other scenarios until something comes up about the delusion. You can be having an incredibly normal conversation and if you avoid the particular topic where the delusion lies, you would truly never know. It’s only if you happen to engage on that particular belief that suddenly things will seem very off. And the person doesn’t realize how off it is because for them it is reality so they wouldn’t say oh hey I’m concerned about myself I need help. There isn’t self awareness at this point.

I am in no way saying this particular situation with delusions being primary is what was happening, but instead trying to share that it is far more common than people here seem to think that someone could be having very scary thoughts or thoughts not aligned with reality and it not be immediately obvious every moment (like you can still call the pharmacy). Also, more likely in her scenario someone can at some points be in a place where when they have auditory hallucinations or intrusive thoughts where they are still aware and feel separate from them and then are more likely to say hey something is going on with me I need help like she did for the initial intrusive thoughts. But in different states, people can be very unaware and it’s like the self awareness is removed so they are in a state where they believe the voices or feel almost disconnected to themselves and very unaware of themselves and what they are doing. So they wouldn’t necessarily say anything to anyone even though they aren’t intentionally hiding it. Anyway there are so many ways it can present and I just think we cannot say what was going on for her based on the fact that she could have some conversations before this happened.

That is really fascinating. It almost sounds as though you are saying that if someone had a deeply delusional belief that was the product of postpartum psychosis that developed from postpartum depression or anxiety, she might have gone through a course of illness in which she seemed outwardly "better"--less floridly depressed--while actually being much more dangerously ill. Y/N?

Yes. It’s kind of like how someone who is deeply depressed can seem better before they complete a suicide attempt. The mind is powerful and it can trick us, trick really good humans into doing things they would never do when not in that state. I have no idea of knowing what happened that day or the weeks before but I do know that mental illness and the way it presents is complex.

And folks are asserting that I don’t want to think a suburban mom could kill in cold blood, I personally think that those jumping to cold blood arguments despite the evidence of postpartum depression that makes way more sense don’t want to think that they too could lose control of their mind. That we are all less in control than we’d like to think, that psychosis or deep depression can happen to any of us and take away much of our rational thinking. It’s a scary scary thought. And it’s easier in a way to think it’s just an evil person because then you can say it won’t/couldn’t happen to you or someone you love and you can take the easy route of saying she’s a monster.

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I also want to be clear that all of that being said it doesn’t mean she would meet an insanity defense which is a high bar. I just personally don’t buy the hated her kids and life so she plotted a way out simply because she was a sick selfish monster arguments.

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Did anyone else watch the arraignment? I don’t think she planned this. If she was planning to kill her kids, why did she take them to the pediatrician that morning? Why was she calling around to different pharmacies looking for the right kind of pedialax for her kids and then sending her husband to go get it? It just makes no sense.

Gosh this is sad. I wish I hadn’t watched it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else watch the arraignment? I don’t think she planned this. If she was planning to kill her kids, why did she take them to the pediatrician that morning? Why was she calling around to different pharmacies looking for the right kind of pedialax for her kids and then sending her husband to go get it? It just makes no sense.

Gosh this is sad. I wish I hadn’t watched it.

I watched. It was very sad. I don’t know what to make of it. I just can’t get past how she killed them and how much effort and time it would have taken.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else watch the arraignment? I don’t think she planned this. If she was planning to kill her kids, why did she take them to the pediatrician that morning? Why was she calling around to different pharmacies looking for the right kind of pedialax for her kids and then sending her husband to go get it? It just makes no sense.

Gosh this is sad. I wish I hadn’t watched it.

Could’ve been that she was at peace with her decision and that caused her to act normally.

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People here also seem to have a perception of psychosis that is very inaccurate. Many have probably only interacted with severe mental illness with someone on the street with a particular type of psychosis happening. Sometimes delusions are quite quiet and impossible for the person experiencing them to determine what is happening. They are completely unaware. If she had fallen deeper it may explain why she had been raising flags earlier but stopped. Frankly based on my experience it all makes sense. The mental illness got worse and she was now in a state where she couldn’t decipher between which often looks like hiding it - she likely later would have said if this didn’t happen that she doesn’t really remember this time (now she might say that too but folks will be suspicious)

Thank you for this very cogent description. Since I fully believe that you're speaking from experience, I wonder if you would be willing to expand a bit on the bolded?

Pp here. Speaking from professional experience, not personal but for example, in order for something to be a delusion a person basically has to believe in something wildly untrue (not using clinical speak here ha) despite clear evidence to the contrary. But what can often be tricky is someone with delusions (this is just an example, I have no idea if she was having delusions), can be very normal in all other scenarios until something comes up about the delusion. You can be having an incredibly normal conversation and if you avoid the particular topic where the delusion lies, you would truly never know. It’s only if you happen to engage on that particular belief that suddenly things will seem very off. And the person doesn’t realize how off it is because for them it is reality so they wouldn’t say oh hey I’m concerned about myself I need help. There isn’t self awareness at this point.

I am in no way saying this particular situation with delusions being primary is what was happening, but instead trying to share that it is far more common than people here seem to think that someone could be having very scary thoughts or thoughts not aligned with reality and it not be immediately obvious every moment (like you can still call the pharmacy). Also, more likely in her scenario someone can at some points be in a place where when they have auditory hallucinations or intrusive thoughts where they are still aware and feel separate from them and then are more likely to say hey something is going on with me I need help like she did for the initial intrusive thoughts. But in different states, people can be very unaware and it’s like the self awareness is removed so they are in a state where they believe the voices or feel almost disconnected to themselves and very unaware of themselves and what they are doing. So they wouldn’t necessarily say anything to anyone even though they aren’t intentionally hiding it. Anyway there are so many ways it can present and I just think we cannot say what was going on for her based on the fact that she could have some conversations before this happened.

That is really fascinating. It almost sounds as though you are saying that if someone had a deeply delusional belief that was the product of postpartum psychosis that developed from postpartum depression or anxiety, she might have gone through a course of illness in which she seemed outwardly "better"--less floridly depressed--while actually being much more dangerously ill. Y/N?

Yes. It’s kind of like how someone who is deeply depressed can seem better before they complete a suicide attempt. The mind is powerful and it can trick us, trick really good humans into doing things they would never do when not in that state. I have no idea of knowing what happened that day or the weeks before but I do know that mental illness and the way it presents is complex.

And folks are asserting that I don’t want to think a suburban mom could kill in cold blood, I personally think that those jumping to cold blood arguments despite the evidence of postpartum depression that makes way more sense don’t want to think that they too could lose control of their mind. That we are all less in control than we’d like to think, that psychosis or deep depression can happen to any of us and take away much of our rational thinking. It’s a scary scary thought. And it’s easier in a way to think it’s just an evil person because then you can say it won’t/couldn’t happen to you or someone you love and you can take the easy route of saying she’s a monster.

It’s the other way around. You’re jumping to “PPD/ PPP made her homicidal!” despite her having no diagnosis of PPP/PPD by medical professionals who treated and knew her better than you, because it’s a scary scary thought that the nice white lady could plan and execute such a horrific crime. All you Lindsay fans and army of love’ers are basically just racists writing paragraphs of conjecture and word salad because you’re terrified an umc white lady could be blamed and locked away for a crime she did commit.