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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m very concerned to hear that McClean Hospital discharged her after only five days inpatient. That is far from ideal standard of care of post partum depression requiring inpatient treatment. When I used to be a prosecutor and I would commit patients involuntarily, I was always shocked in following the cases to see how quickly they would street people who were seriously mentally ill, but that was the state hospital. I once put a guy there whose family cut him down from a tree and revived him, he was dead but they restarted his heart with CPR, a miracle really. He was cognitively intact but obviously suicidally depressed and the state hospital discharged him in a week with SSRIs. SSRIs take weeks to reach full efficacy. But that’s our mental health system in this country.

I just don’t think this woman murdered her children with mens rea formed in a sane mind.

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Ah, this picture explains everything. Y’all see a white woman hugging her kid and relate to her. That’s the reason for all the mental gymnastics to defend her and “she couldn’t have plotted to murder those kids!” UMC white women everywhere are scared to death that one of them could just be a cold blooded killer and not a victim of mental illness and a failed healthcare system. Perpetual victims..[/quote]

I just don't understand how you can read this story, including that she was by all accounts a great mom prior to being hospitalized with severe mental health issues after birth of her child, and decide that the most rational explanation is that she was in fact a cold-blooded killer pretending to be a normal, loving mom for years while waiting for her moment[/quote]

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You don't want to believe she's a cold blooded killer be ausr she looks like you. Has a similar background to you. People like you don't do that you think. Not unless something snapped.
And I could give you a list pages long of " picture perfect parents" who abused and killed their kids.

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This is really just not true. I do believe that. I understand personality disorders, crimes of passion etc  and fully believe people “like me” can do horrible things without being in a psychotic episode. But I also believe there is usually some underlying trauma or mental illness for most people who commit these atrocities and the evidence to me suggests it is much more likely that postpartum mental illness played a huge role here an without it, it likely wouldn’t have happened and no, I do not think it is likely she is a calculated cold blooded killer in the way you describe. And I think most people aren’t. Things are so complex usually. And that doesn’t mean peope don’t need to be held accountable, I have not indicated that she shouldn’t be accountable but that I disagree with the assertion that she likely plotted and is secretly some abusive parent behind the scenes as you mention.

I agree with you, often in these cases you start seeing the hinges come off - what seemed perfect you start then hearing reports of DV incidents prior that no one knew about, or concerns from school, little things start to come out. For me that has not been the case here. The facts that have come out have continued to align with my understanding and experience of a family trying to manage serious postpartum mental illness. That’s all I’m saying.

Bias is incredibly real. I hear you. But my assumptions here are based more on my training in mental health and how I’ve seen it present in very real situations than in what you’re assuming. [/quote]

Love, you said a whole lot of nothing. What it comes down to is your support for her is because she looks like you.has a career like. 
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