The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

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It's extremely bizarre to me that people think this woman's life is aspirational or that she has a good relationship. And yes people have said those exact things in this thread.

To me, their relationship is a complete dumpster fire and she is a cautionary tale.

There is a difference between commenting on the varying skills or sources of power Daphne has (the topic of the above conversation) and thinking she is "aspirational." I don't aspire to be any of these people or have any of their relationships, and I also don't think I have to choose a "side" between Daphne and Cameron, or between Daphne and Harper. They are all messed up in their own way. But I also think Daphne appears to be a stronger character than people on this thread are giving her credit for, and it seems clear to me that she is one of the sharper characters and might see these situations more shrewdly, than others do. I definitely think she is open-eyed about her husband and makes the most of that situation while also protecting herself. Whether that pans out for her remains to be seen. But while I don't aspire to her life or her marriage, that doesn't mean I view her as some poor victim either.

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I think out of all of them, she has made her peace and found her happiness. She is not letting the sins of others change who she is or affect her happiness in life. Look how miserable Tanya is and Harper and Ethan and the trio of men, Daphne does not appear weighted down by all of that. She knows who she is, who her husband is and she is making the most out of her life, not being a victim.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

She’s calling the kid her trainer. She’s making some innuendo about her life, that she’s not a victim because she can do whatever Cameron is doing and have sex with whomever she wants. She makes that point to Harper. Then when she shows her the picture, it’s her kids- the point is that she doesn’t want to cheat, that’s not what actually makes her feel better about it. She just wants her happy, very comfortable life with her kids and her husband. People are reading way into this. Her trainer did not father her children.

Also, even if Cameron had brown eyes, hasn’t anyone ever heard of recessive genes? My dad has blue eyes and my mom has brown. I’m one of four kids and only one of us have brown eyes. The rest of us have blue and green.

I think you and I are the only ones that see this in this thread. I tack it up to personal life experience and age. Sigh.

The scene is purposefully ambiguous. They had her go on and on about this adorable trainer with blonde hair and blue eyes, two recessive genes. And then show a photo of a blonde haired blue eyed kid. I'm not SURE the trainer is the dad, but the show is clearly leaving the ambiguity there, putting the question out there. This is a show where all the background choices are dripping in meaning. There is a photo of St. Lucia in one of the rooms.

GOOD LORD!! Daphne has light hair and blue eyes. Cameron only has to carry the recessive gene for blue eyes and they can definitely have blonde hair and blue-eyed kids.

I'm a brunette woman with two teenage blonde blue-eyed sons that definitely came from me. My husband is blonde. A blonde/red-head and a brunette can definitely make a blonde kid---and many of these kids are blonde as kids that turn darker as they get older.

People assume dark hair is dominant, but my sister also has two blonde kids and one brunette and her hair is jet black. Her husband is a blonde.

Yeah that is why I said it is AMBIGUOUS. Do you know what the word ambiguous means? The show is basically swimming in ambiguity but when they want something to be clear they do show it (ie we know Ethan did not cheat on Harper that night with Cameron).

I'm not saying the kids aren't Cameron's, I'm saying the scene is ambiguous. Are you also the poster that thinks the only way people can love each other is sunshine and rainbows and happiness and Daphne is just some poor lovestuck lady crying herself to sleep every night?

No. I'm the person saying Cameron and Daphne love each other--even with his flaws and infidelity.

Well then we agree on that! But I honestly don't see how anyone could not at least acknowledge that the scene was intentionally ambiguous. It was a pivotal scene where Daphne was being vague. It could mean anything.

BUT I don't think it has any bearing on the deaths for two reasons.

1) The whole point Daphne is making is, IMO, immaterial to whether she is having an affair or whether she gets her purpose from her kids. Her point is that she sees Cameron for who he is and instead of letting it ruin her, she does what she wants and lives how she wants and copes with this unhappiness by getting fulfillment elsewhere. It isn't important who the father is or if there is or isn't a trainer. Her point is that she finds a way, and Harper can find a way too, and that they, as women, shouldn't depend on imperfect men to determine their lives and happiness.

2) I don't think the conflict that results in a death will be between Daphne and Cameron. They have both decided that they can handle their demons and suppress their unhappiness to be together. Neither has unresolved anger towards each other. It is processed accepted and dealt with. Unlike say Harper and Ethan who have an elephant of tension standing in the room with them. Cameron and Daphne don't have that. I think the only thing that could send them over the edge is Cameron being broke, but I honestly still think she would likely just join him in trying to pull a scam rather than walk away. Daphne has coping mechanisms and uses them. I think she's capable of murder honestly, but I don't think she has any desire to murder him

Re: #2 we know Daphne doesn't die because she is in the post-flashback opening scene. Cameron isn't, but she tells the Survivor ladies "we are leaving today." And if her husband had just died, people working there would know it and her behavior would have seemed off to them.

Wait, what? At the time of the conversation on the beach, the bodies have not yet been discovered. So it's very possible Cameron is one of the bodies in the water and either Daphne does not know it, or she does know it and is covering up her involvement in or knowledge of his death by claiming that "we" are leaving.

Her saying "we" essentially proves nothing. She's talking to women she's never met before and will never see again. It might be an idle conversation with strangers, or it might be Daphne trying to create a cover story. We can't trust that anything she says there is the truth, in fact we already know she's lying because she claims they had a great vacation when we know that actually her DH banged a couple hookers and hit on his friend's wife right in front of her, and she got high and confessed that her marriage is basically BS and she has no girlfriends because they all gossip about her. She did not have a "great" week.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

Hi. Calm the eff down. It is a television show, I am speculating about a fictional character for fun and because it is interesting. The whole point is that you can read what you want into things and there are no "right" answers. I disagreed with your assertion that Daphne would be screwed without Cameron -- my impression of her character is that she is resourceful and has better interpersonal skills that Cameron, and seems to have a good relationship with her parents from what we've seen. Cameron seems like an a$$hole who burns bridges, treats even those closest to him like dirt, and gets caught up in toxic pissing matches to a point of self-destruction. So yes, my money is on Daphne having more resilience than Cameron.

You are welcome to have a different take, and welcome to share it here. But berating people for "making up" stuff about FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, like there's some rule you can't speculate about the imaginary backgrounds about imaginary people, is ridiculous. Grow up.

Hi. I'm calm. I just think your speculations are specious. Grow up? I'm not the one playing make believe here.

We're all "playing make believe." It's a fictional show. No one can be totally wrong about these characters' backgrounds, motivations, or futures because those things aren't real and never will be. Everything in this thread is an interpretation of the "text" -- the dialogue and the portrayals by the actors and the way the show is edited and shot. One person can have a "rosy picture" of a character and another can see something deeply sinister or sad, and neither are right or wrong. It's all just interpretation and opinion.

You can disagree with someone's interpretation but you can't accuse them of being wrong. There is no right/wrong in this game. It's all make believe, though we can draw what we believe to be truth from the make believe.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

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It's extremely bizarre to me that people think this woman's life is aspirational or that she has a good relationship. And yes people have said those exact things in this thread.

To me, their relationship is a complete dumpster fire and she is a cautionary tale.

There is a difference between commenting on the varying skills or sources of power Daphne has (the topic of the above conversation) and thinking she is "aspirational." I don't aspire to be any of these people or have any of their relationships, and I also don't think I have to choose a "side" between Daphne and Cameron, or between Daphne and Harper. They are all messed up in their own way. But I also think Daphne appears to be a stronger character than people on this thread are giving her credit for, and it seems clear to me that she is one of the sharper characters and might see these situations more shrewdly, than others do. I definitely think she is open-eyed about her husband and makes the most of that situation while also protecting herself. Whether that pans out for her remains to be seen. But while I don't aspire to her life or her marriage, that doesn't mean I view her as some poor victim either.

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I think out of all of them, she has made her peace and found her happiness. She is not letting the sins of others change who she is or affect her happiness in life. Look how miserable Tanya is and Harper and Ethan and the trio of men, Daphne does not appear weighted down by all of that. She knows who she is, who her husband is and she is making the most out of her life, not being a victim.

I get that but it's a bit more complicated than "she knows who her husband is and accepts that." She often seems troubled when confiding in Harper. She's definitely not fine with the fact that Cam cheats and she tells herself it was only "one time" long ago and didn't mean anything and that it's his coworkers who are the real problem. Meanwhile, he is literally cheating on her while she is telling Harper these things.

This is a situation that is not sustainable long term. I don't think it comes to a head on this vacation but it will at some point, trust.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

Hi. Calm the eff down. It is a television show, I am speculating about a fictional character for fun and because it is interesting. The whole point is that you can read what you want into things and there are no "right" answers. I disagreed with your assertion that Daphne would be screwed without Cameron -- my impression of her character is that she is resourceful and has better interpersonal skills that Cameron, and seems to have a good relationship with her parents from what we've seen. Cameron seems like an a$$hole who burns bridges, treats even those closest to him like dirt, and gets caught up in toxic pissing matches to a point of self-destruction. So yes, my money is on Daphne having more resilience than Cameron.

You are welcome to have a different take, and welcome to share it here. But berating people for "making up" stuff about FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, like there's some rule you can't speculate about the imaginary backgrounds about imaginary people, is ridiculous. Grow up.

Hi. I'm calm. I just think your speculations are specious. Grow up? I'm not the one playing make believe here.

We're all "playing make believe." It's a fictional show. No one can be totally wrong about these characters' backgrounds, motivations, or futures because those things aren't real and never will be. Everything in this thread is an interpretation of the "text" -- the dialogue and the portrayals by the actors and the way the show is edited and shot. One person can have a "rosy picture" of a character and another can see something deeply sinister or sad, and neither are right or wrong. It's all just interpretation and opinion.

You can disagree with someone's interpretation but you can't accuse them of being wrong. There is no right/wrong in this game. It's all make believe, though we can draw what we believe to be truth from the make believe.

There's just no evidence that Daphne comes from a rich background or has a trust fund.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

She’s calling the kid her trainer. She’s making some innuendo about her life, that she’s not a victim because she can do whatever Cameron is doing and have sex with whomever she wants. She makes that point to Harper. Then when she shows her the picture, it’s her kids- the point is that she doesn’t want to cheat, that’s not what actually makes her feel better about it. She just wants her happy, very comfortable life with her kids and her husband. People are reading way into this. Her trainer did not father her children.

Also, even if Cameron had brown eyes, hasn’t anyone ever heard of recessive genes? My dad has blue eyes and my mom has brown. I’m one of four kids and only one of us have brown eyes. The rest of us have blue and green.

No. Remember she tells Harper to get a trainer? You think she’s telling Harper to have a baby? She’s not. Blue eyes are not the same thing as blond hair.

Plus in one of the early episodes they talk about how they struggled with infertility. Maybe the problem was Cameron and Daphne "solved" it. It's at least ambiguous

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

Hi. Calm the eff down. It is a television show, I am speculating about a fictional character for fun and because it is interesting. The whole point is that you can read what you want into things and there are no "right" answers. I disagreed with your assertion that Daphne would be screwed without Cameron -- my impression of her character is that she is resourceful and has better interpersonal skills that Cameron, and seems to have a good relationship with her parents from what we've seen. Cameron seems like an a$$hole who burns bridges, treats even those closest to him like dirt, and gets caught up in toxic pissing matches to a point of self-destruction. So yes, my money is on Daphne having more resilience than Cameron.

You are welcome to have a different take, and welcome to share it here. But berating people for "making up" stuff about FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, like there's some rule you can't speculate about the imaginary backgrounds about imaginary people, is ridiculous. Grow up.

Hi. I'm calm. I just think your speculations are specious. Grow up? I'm not the one playing make believe here.

We're all "playing make believe." It's a fictional show. No one can be totally wrong about these characters' backgrounds, motivations, or futures because those things aren't real and never will be. Everything in this thread is an interpretation of the "text" -- the dialogue and the portrayals by the actors and the way the show is edited and shot. One person can have a "rosy picture" of a character and another can see something deeply sinister or sad, and neither are right or wrong. It's all just interpretation and opinion.

You can disagree with someone's interpretation but you can't accuse them of being wrong. There is no right/wrong in this game. It's all make believe, though we can draw what we believe to be truth from the make believe.

There's just no evidence that Daphne comes from a rich background or has a trust fund.

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It's wishful thinking on the part of all the SAHMs in here who know they'd be in trouble if their husbands cheated and left them high and dry.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

She was trained as a surgeon and she still spends two months per year volunteering with Doctors Without Borders so she keeps her skills up and has a network in place. She'll obviously be fine. Also her paternal grandfather invented the squeezable toothpaste tube, so there's lots of backstop there, too. No they didn't say any of this but it's so obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

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It's extremely bizarre to me that people think this woman's life is aspirational or that she has a good relationship. And yes people have said those exact things in this thread.

To me, their relationship is a complete dumpster fire and she is a cautionary tale.

... you start understanding a lot of the weird advice in the relationships forum

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

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It's extremely bizarre to me that people think this woman's life is aspirational or that she has a good relationship. And yes people have said those exact things in this thread.

To me, their relationship is a complete dumpster fire and she is a cautionary tale.

And, Harper isn't? Out of the two women, Harper seems way more miserable and dissatisfied in her sexless marriage with a husband that shows her zero affection and is always annoyed with her and beating off to p*rn.

Did I say anything about Harper? No. Their marriage is a mess too. But at least Harper doesn't have innocent kids in the mix and she has a job.

But Harper really wants kids. And, she appears jealous of Daphne's lifestyle which is why she gossips and speaks poorly of her--though I think that is starting to turn and she is liking her more.

Harper is definitely jealous of the love and affection Cameron shows Daphne--and the sex they have which she has heard through the walls while she and Ethan sit there not talking and ignoring one another.

I mean, she definitely was jealous in the beginning but I would assume she is now much less so after she found out that Cam hired a hooker the second Daphne left town. And especially now that Daphne has insinuated she has been conducting a long standing affair with her trainer.

Au contraire I think this just adds to Harper's general confusion. Because she DOES see the genuine affection and love between them, and while she does now realize that there is depth and problems underneath, she is challenged by continuing to see that warmth and physical affection remain undimmed despite things that she could not get over. And she feels jealous that she doesn't have that with Ethan despite having a 'normal' relationship unburdened by these really messed up dynamics. I think she is being yanked back and forth between being jealous of them and knowing she doesn't want to be them. Hating them but also seeing that while they do many things wrong, they do this one thing right and it happens to be the one thing she is yearning for but unable to grasp which is making her question her life at large.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

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It's extremely bizarre to me that people think this woman's life is aspirational or that she has a good relationship. And yes people have said those exact things in this thread.

To me, their relationship is a complete dumpster fire and she is a cautionary tale.

And, Harper isn't? Out of the two women, Harper seems way more miserable and dissatisfied in her sexless marriage with a husband that shows her zero affection and is always annoyed with her and beating off to p*rn.

She seems to have a much stronger sense of self, and a more egalitarian marriage. I think if she left Ethan she'd be fine. I think if Daphne left Cameron, she'd have nothing - until she found a new husband.

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Anonymous wrote:What is up with Isabella that she doesn’t seem to realize what is up with Valentina. Does she not understand the guy is flirting with her, either? Is she very dim or is she ignoring sexual overatures on purpose?

Also curious about this. She was clearly not annoyed by Rocco so she either likes him back or maybe he’s gay? I think she likely aware of Valentina’s feelings but appears to be feigning ignorance to maintain a level of professionalism and because she isn’t interested? Unsure

She is clueless. She likes Rocco.

She definitely likes Rocco. I'm not so sure she's clueless about Valentina, but she definitely doesn't know what to do about it. And can we talk about Valentina? I don't mean to be offensive, but she comes across as possibly slightly on the spectrum (?) or something. What concierge/manager of a 5 star hotel doesn't know any jewelry stores to recommend? She then buys a brooch (which HBO is labeling "broach" in the subtitles! A dictionary, I beg of you) for a very junior co-worker and gives it to her in a totally awkward way and keeps on even when her feelings are clearly not returned. She's very off.

It’s your boss hitting on you. Time to find a new job.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

She’s calling the kid her trainer. She’s making some innuendo about her life, that she’s not a victim because she can do whatever Cameron is doing and have sex with whomever she wants. She makes that point to Harper. Then when she shows her the picture, it’s her kids- the point is that she doesn’t want to cheat, that’s not what actually makes her feel better about it. She just wants her happy, very comfortable life with her kids and her husband. People are reading way into this. Her trainer did not father her children.

Also, even if Cameron had brown eyes, hasn’t anyone ever heard of recessive genes? My dad has blue eyes and my mom has brown. I’m one of four kids and only one of us have brown eyes. The rest of us have blue and green.

I think you and I are the only ones that see this in this thread. I tack it up to personal life experience and age. Sigh.

The scene is purposefully ambiguous. They had her go on and on about this adorable trainer with blonde hair and blue eyes, two recessive genes. And then show a photo of a blonde haired blue eyed kid. I'm not SURE the trainer is the dad, but the show is clearly leaving the ambiguity there, putting the question out there. This is a show where all the background choices are dripping in meaning. There is a photo of St. Lucia in one of the rooms.

GOOD LORD!! Daphne has light hair and blue eyes. Cameron only has to carry the recessive gene for blue eyes and they can definitely have blonde hair and blue-eyed kids.

I'm a brunette woman with two teenage blonde blue-eyed sons that definitely came from me. My husband is blonde. A blonde/red-head and a brunette can definitely make a blonde kid---and many of these kids are blonde as kids that turn darker as they get older.

People assume dark hair is dominant, but my sister also has two blonde kids and one brunette and her hair is jet black. Her husband is a blonde.

Yeah that is why I said it is AMBIGUOUS. Do you know what the word ambiguous means? The show is basically swimming in ambiguity but when they want something to be clear they do show it (ie we know Ethan did not cheat on Harper that night with Cameron).

I'm not saying the kids aren't Cameron's, I'm saying the scene is ambiguous. Are you also the poster that thinks the only way people can love each other is sunshine and rainbows and happiness and Daphne is just some poor lovestuck lady crying herself to sleep every night?

No. I'm the person saying Cameron and Daphne love each other--even with his flaws and infidelity.

Well then we agree on that! But I honestly don't see how anyone could not at least acknowledge that the scene was intentionally ambiguous. It was a pivotal scene where Daphne was being vague. It could mean anything.

BUT I don't think it has any bearing on the deaths for two reasons.

1) The whole point Daphne is making is, IMO, immaterial to whether she is having an affair or whether she gets her purpose from her kids. Her point is that she sees Cameron for who he is and instead of letting it ruin her, she does what she wants and lives how she wants and copes with this unhappiness by getting fulfillment elsewhere. It isn't important who the father is or if there is or isn't a trainer. Her point is that she finds a way, and Harper can find a way too, and that they, as women, shouldn't depend on imperfect men to determine their lives and happiness.

2) I don't think the conflict that results in a death will be between Daphne and Cameron. They have both decided that they can handle their demons and suppress their unhappiness to be together. Neither has unresolved anger towards each other. It is processed accepted and dealt with. Unlike say Harper and Ethan who have an elephant of tension standing in the room with them. Cameron and Daphne don't have that. I think the only thing that could send them over the edge is Cameron being broke, but I honestly still think she would likely just join him in trying to pull a scam rather than walk away. Daphne has coping mechanisms and uses them. I think she's capable of murder honestly, but I don't think she has any desire to murder him

I don't think we know if they can both handle their demons. We don't know if Cameron thinks or knows that Daphne has a "trainer" - we don't know if she knew he was regularly cheating on her, not just that one time, and is doing it in such a flagrant and humiliating way. I don't care how tolerant you are, your spouse hiring two hookers, having a threesome in them in your room, and then not even having the money to pay them so they have to chase you like that guy from Better Off Dead trying to get his two dollars, is humiliating and terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

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It's extremely bizarre to me that people think this woman's life is aspirational or that she has a good relationship. And yes people have said those exact things in this thread.

To me, their relationship is a complete dumpster fire and she is a cautionary tale.

And, Harper isn't? Out of the two women, Harper seems way more miserable and dissatisfied in her sexless marriage with a husband that shows her zero affection and is always annoyed with her and beating off to p*rn.

Did I say anything about Harper? No. Their marriage is a mess too. But at least Harper doesn't have innocent kids in the mix and she has a job.

But Harper really wants kids. And, she appears jealous of Daphne's lifestyle which is why she gossips and speaks poorly of her--though I think that is starting to turn and she is liking her more.

Harper has warmed up to Daphne because she can feel superior to her now that she knows Daphne's marriage is a mess.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand people who stan Daphne. Her marriage is a horrible shit show. Getting knocked up by your trainer and passing it off as your husband’s is not some cool power play. If she ever gets found out, she’d ruin that kid’s life.

OMG is that why she showed Harper the picture of the kids rather than the trainer?

I don’t think so. She talked about the trainer to make herself out as not being a victim. She may or may not have a trainer she sleeps with, but at the end of the day, it’s her kids who give her the motivation to get over whatever Cameron does and not focus on it.

Eh, she says my trainer has blond hair and blue eyes, want to see a picture? Then shows a picture of a blond haired kid. Cameron has brown hair. Google it.

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/white-lotus-season-2-daphne-trainer-kids-theory-rcna59147

She’s calling the kid her trainer. She’s making some innuendo about her life, that she’s not a victim because she can do whatever Cameron is doing and have sex with whomever she wants. She makes that point to Harper. Then when she shows her the picture, it’s her kids- the point is that she doesn’t want to cheat, that’s not what actually makes her feel better about it. She just wants her happy, very comfortable life with her kids and her husband. People are reading way into this. Her trainer did not father her children.

Also, even if Cameron had brown eyes, hasn’t anyone ever heard of recessive genes? My dad has blue eyes and my mom has brown. I’m one of four kids and only one of us have brown eyes. The rest of us have blue and green.

I think you and I are the only ones that see this in this thread. I tack it up to personal life experience and age. Sigh.

The scene is purposefully ambiguous. They had her go on and on about this adorable trainer with blonde hair and blue eyes, two recessive genes. And then show a photo of a blonde haired blue eyed kid. I'm not SURE the trainer is the dad, but the show is clearly leaving the ambiguity there, putting the question out there. This is a show where all the background choices are dripping in meaning. There is a photo of St. Lucia in one of the rooms.

GOOD LORD!! Daphne has light hair and blue eyes. Cameron only has to carry the recessive gene for blue eyes and they can definitely have blonde hair and blue-eyed kids.

I'm a brunette woman with two teenage blonde blue-eyed sons that definitely came from me. My husband is blonde. A blonde/red-head and a brunette can definitely make a blonde kid---and many of these kids are blonde as kids that turn darker as they get older.

People assume dark hair is dominant, but my sister also has two blonde kids and one brunette and her hair is jet black. Her husband is a blonde.

Yeah that is why I said it is AMBIGUOUS. Do you know what the word ambiguous means? The show is basically swimming in ambiguity but when they want something to be clear they do show it (ie we know Ethan did not cheat on Harper that night with Cameron).

I'm not saying the kids aren't Cameron's, I'm saying the scene is ambiguous. Are you also the poster that thinks the only way people can love each other is sunshine and rainbows and happiness and Daphne is just some poor lovestuck lady crying herself to sleep every night?

No. I'm the person saying Cameron and Daphne love each other--even with his flaws and infidelity.

Well then we agree on that! But I honestly don't see how anyone could not at least acknowledge that the scene was intentionally ambiguous. It was a pivotal scene where Daphne was being vague. It could mean anything.

BUT I don't think it has any bearing on the deaths for two reasons.

1) The whole point Daphne is making is, IMO, immaterial to whether she is having an affair or whether she gets her purpose from her kids. Her point is that she sees Cameron for who he is and instead of letting it ruin her, she does what she wants and lives how she wants and copes with this unhappiness by getting fulfillment elsewhere. It isn't important who the father is or if there is or isn't a trainer. Her point is that she finds a way, and Harper can find a way too, and that they, as women, shouldn't depend on imperfect men to determine their lives and happiness.

2) I don't think the conflict that results in a death will be between Daphne and Cameron. They have both decided that they can handle their demons and suppress their unhappiness to be together. Neither has unresolved anger towards each other. It is processed accepted and dealt with. Unlike say Harper and Ethan who have an elephant of tension standing in the room with them. Cameron and Daphne don't have that. I think the only thing that could send them over the edge is Cameron being broke, but I honestly still think she would likely just join him in trying to pull a scam rather than walk away. Daphne has coping mechanisms and uses them. I think she's capable of murder honestly, but I don't think she has any desire to murder him

Re: #2 we know Daphne doesn't die because she is in the post-flashback opening scene. Cameron isn't, but she tells the Survivor ladies "we are leaving today." And if her husband had just died, people working there would know it and her behavior would have seemed off to them.

Wait, what? At the time of the conversation on the beach, the bodies have not yet been discovered. So it's very possible Cameron is one of the bodies in the water and either Daphne does not know it, or she does know it and is covering up her involvement in or knowledge of his death by claiming that "we" are leaving.

Her saying "we" essentially proves nothing. She's talking to women she's never met before and will never see again. It might be an idle conversation with strangers, or it might be Daphne trying to create a cover story. We can't trust that anything she says there is the truth, in fact we already know she's lying because she claims they had a great vacation when we know that actually her DH banged a couple hookers and hit on his friend's wife right in front of her, and she got high and confessed that her marriage is basically BS and she has no girlfriends because they all gossip about her. She did not have a "great" week.

I went back and watched this scene and Daphne is also still on the beach watching as they take the body away on a stretcher. I don't think THAT body is Cameron, I agree it looked like a woman based on the leg. But she is standing on the beach watching as the stretcher is carried. I think if that body was one of the foursome she'd be acting more hysterically in that moment.