A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

1+. The entire higher education system was *set up* by white males, and until fairly recently, 1960-70s, many prestigious institutions explicitly excluded women (and POC). It's hardly a shock that your "stats" are going to be "worse" once you let in the rest of humanity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

1+. The entire higher education system was *set up* by white males, and until fairly recently, 1960-70s, many prestigious institutions explicitly excluded women (and POC). It's hardly a shock that your "stats" are going to be "worse" once you let in the rest of humanity.

Um, again, you didn't read the article because it specifically mentioned that the male students aren't less qualified - they aren't applying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

1+. The entire higher education system was *set up* by white males, and until fairly recently, 1960-70s, many prestigious institutions explicitly excluded women (and POC). It's hardly a shock that your "stats" are going to be "worse" once you let in the rest of humanity.

Um, again, you didn't read the article because it specifically mentioned that the male students aren't less qualified - they aren't applying.

DP... no one is preventing them from applying.

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

1+. The entire higher education system was *set up* by white males, and until fairly recently, 1960-70s, many prestigious institutions explicitly excluded women (and POC). It's hardly a shock that your "stats" are going to be "worse" once you let in the rest of humanity.

Um, again, you didn't read the article because it specifically mentioned that the male students aren't less qualified - they aren't applying.

DP... no one is preventing them from applying.

Are you being purposefully obtuse? Have you read the article?

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Anonymous wrote:As the mother of three boys, this whiny-nonsense pisses me off. My boys don’t feel this way since I raised them to see everyone as an equal and they never expected to be treated or judged more favorably than anyone else.

Parents failed these young men who feel defeated so young.

It’s not that they aren’t treated more favorably, it’s that they are treated less so

Did you read the article? Fewer men are applying.

DP. The question is why, and less favorable treatment of males in education leads to fewer applicants.

wrong.. male applicants are given a boost in many fields/colleges, not CS/Eng, though.


-mother of teen boy and girl

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good news for sons, now more spots for boys available as schools seek gender balance (even if they won't talk about it)

Is this really how it will be for my son? Or is it still just as competitive, considering my son is part Asian and colleges consider us undesirable?

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

1+. The entire higher education system was *set up* by white males, and until fairly recently, 1960-70s, many prestigious institutions explicitly excluded women (and POC). It's hardly a shock that your "stats" are going to be "worse" once you let in the rest of humanity.

Um, again, you didn't read the article because it specifically mentioned that the male students aren't less qualified - they aren't applying.

DP... no one is preventing them from applying.

Are you being purposefully obtuse? Have you read the article?

I read a similar article. Not WSJ since it's behind a paywall.

One of the great things about this country is that you don't have to apply to college straight out of HS. You can work, go to community college, trade school.. even be a complete bum and dropout then decide to go community college, then to a four year. You can even join the military and have them help pay for college (my brother did that).

I have no sympathy for men (who are still paid more than women for the same job) who can't figure it out.

I say this as a mother of a boy and girl, and who grew up lower income.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good news for sons, now more spots for boys available as schools seek gender balance (even if they won't talk about it)

Is this really how it will be for my son? Or is it still just as competitive, considering my son is part Asian and colleges consider us undesirable?

Depends on the major and school. CS at Stanford? Dime a dozen. Biology at Brandeis? Better odds.

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

1+. The entire higher education system was *set up* by white males, and until fairly recently, 1960-70s, many prestigious institutions explicitly excluded women (and POC). It's hardly a shock that your "stats" are going to be "worse" once you let in the rest of humanity.

Um, again, you didn't read the article because it specifically mentioned that the male students aren't less qualified - they aren't applying.

DP... no one is preventing them from applying.

Are you being purposefully obtuse? Have you read the article?

I read a similar article. Not WSJ since it's behind a paywall.

One of the great things about this country is that you don't have to apply to college straight out of HS. You can work, go to community college, trade school.. even be a complete bum and dropout then decide to go community college, then to a four year. You can even join the military and have them help pay for college (my brother did that).

I have no sympathy for men (who are still paid more than women for the same job) who can't figure it out.

I say this as a mother of a boy and girl, and who grew up lower income.

You have zero sympathy for 17-year-olds who feel hopeless and lost? Got it. You sound lovely.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a little surprised that no one has pointed out yet that the WSJ in the past few years has become a Trump Republican mouthpiece. I'm very skeptical of ANYTHING that they print.

My son (who has ADHD and loves video games) was admitted to 100% of the colleges he applied to and is doing great. Same with all his friends. Same with my nephew. Not quite sure where this sense of grievance is coming from, but I'm really skeptical of anything that WSJ tells me about it.

There is a paywall, so I couldn't read the article, but I gotta say this whole "the system has failed me" stuff sounds a whole lot like the misandry nonsense that I've been hearing forever wherein anti-social loser men claim to be "lost" because they aren't allowed to abuse women and make racist jokes anymore. As a middle aged white guy who recently went through a job search, I don't find the world hard for men. It's certainly far easier for me than for women in my life or the people of color I know.

This is such BS. The WSJ, while being overall more conservative than the WaPo (which isn't hard to do) was very critical of Trump during his administration. However, they are also excellent at showcasing - and calling out - the leftist BS which insists Trump is the root of all evil. I trust the WSJ far more than I do the WaPo or NYT, both of which are merely mouthpieces for the left.

You're part of the problem. And frankly, I question your critical thinking when you dismiss entire publications as "leftist" or otherwise. Honestly, I just dismiss your opinion out of hand.

WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch. So yes, it is part of the problem.

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You have zero sympathy for 17-year-olds who feel hopeless and lost? Got it. You sound lovely.

DP - the right has been banging the drum for the last several decades that

1) the US is the land of opportunity
2) the family unit is the most important component of life in this country
3) Education is nice but not mandatory for success

If someone get to the age of 17 in the GOP world, and their family unit hasn't encouraged success in the classroom, then they should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and make something of themselves another way.

The Dems have been trying to expand education and opportunity in the trades, expanding unions etc for years, stymied and opposed by their counterparts on the right.

So how about let's look at some of the root causes and system issues engendered mostly by the right, that got us here.

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

1+. The entire higher education system was *set up* by white males, and until fairly recently, 1960-70s, many prestigious institutions explicitly excluded women (and POC). It's hardly a shock that your "stats" are going to be "worse" once you let in the rest of humanity.

Um, again, you didn't read the article because it specifically mentioned that the male students aren't less qualified - they aren't applying.

DP... no one is preventing them from applying.

Are you being purposefully obtuse? Have you read the article?

I read a similar article. Not WSJ since it's behind a paywall.

One of the great things about this country is that you don't have to apply to college straight out of HS. You can work, go to community college, trade school.. even be a complete bum and dropout then decide to go community college, then to a four year. You can even join the military and have them help pay for college (my brother did that).

I have no sympathy for men (who are still paid more than women for the same job) who can't figure it out.

I say this as a mother of a boy and girl, and who grew up lower income.

You have zero sympathy for 17-year-olds who feel hopeless and lost? Got it. You sound lovely.

I have zero sympathy for 17 yr olds who can't get it together, particularly if they are from MC/UMC families.

My brother joined the military. It was the best thing for him at the time.

I may not sound " lovely" but at least my kids won't feel "lost".

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Anonymous wrote:It's called affirmative action. It's working to discourage men and whites at all levels of education and employment, just as designed. American women and minorities keep the pressure on big education and business as if they're being discriminated against ("It's the kind you can't see or hear and the statistics don't show it....but it's there"). Leftists feel the "enlightened view" is to discriminate against males and whites so this will continue. Feminists and other men haters should greet this news with joy. In fact, they probably think it hasn't gone far enough, after all - 2 wrongs make a right. Of course, when these women look for mates, statistically they tend to favor those who make more $$$ than them. There will be fewer men available who fit that bill. Maybe they can all become lesbians. Ahhh progress.

What garbage. Keep trying incel.

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy. What losers

I did not read them as whiny at all.

me either. where are these comments coming from?

People who want to blame young people for their own problems without even considering whether the system is setting them up to fail.

It’s the same system that has been in place for two centuries.

The reality is a lot of men got by/get by coasting and they’re being out worked by girls who become women.

1+. The entire higher education system was *set up* by white males, and until fairly recently, 1960-70s, many prestigious institutions explicitly excluded women (and POC). It's hardly a shock that your "stats" are going to be "worse" once you let in the rest of humanity.

Um, again, you didn't read the article because it specifically mentioned that the male students aren't less qualified - they aren't applying.

DP... no one is preventing them from applying.

Are you being purposefully obtuse? Have you read the article?

I read a similar article. Not WSJ since it's behind a paywall.

One of the great things about this country is that you don't have to apply to college straight out of HS. You can work, go to community college, trade school.. even be a complete bum and dropout then decide to go community college, then to a four year. You can even join the military and have them help pay for college (my brother did that).

I have no sympathy for men (who are still paid more than women for the same job) who can't figure it out.

I say this as a mother of a boy and girl, and who grew up lower income.

You have zero sympathy for 17-year-olds who feel hopeless and lost? Got it. You sound lovely.

The article I read basically stated that the girls were on top of their applications, but that the boys needed more hand holding.

Not that long ago men were the predominate group in college. So, what changed, really. From what I can see, boys have more direct competition now academically.