Elaine Tholen's recall is goin to court

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that is the best likelihood - members choosing not to run again. I really do not know if Tholen is subpar or not. I know some people hate her., based on reading here I'm a Herndon parent. No one I know is talking about her one way or the other. Some overall irritation or not over the opening of schools, but no one is naming her as the issue.

+100
The SB members I hear the most about are the three mentioned in the other post - Omeish, Frisch, and Cohen. The worst of the worst.

Tholen is worse than Cohen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this work to kick someone out who was never going to run for re-election anyway. She was the stand in when the first choice candidate stepped out to run for BOS at the last minute. I doubt she intended to stay for more than one term.

I think the backlash has been building for decades. Years and years ago, Fairfax was a majority GOP county and slowly it changed to purple and now blue. There are some that at angry and want things to go back to they way there were. However, the electorate does not favor them. For some reason, they have moved to the fringe right instead of staking out the moderate middle. They have no chance going with the fringe right, they have a chance to get a few seats with a moderate middle approach- but they will never be majority in the foreseeable future.

Fairfax County has also grown from a suburban county to a huge urban county. It is still run more like a suburban county and there will be more growing pains since it is hard to run things without someone at the top that can make fast decisions. We have two Boards- BOS and the School Board, they have to figure out how to be able to make decisions faster as issues arise. They can’t debate endlessly.

Backlash has been building but not for fringe right or left reasons or suburban-urban. Yes it has more farms-ELS but that started over 2 decades ago. It's academics as seen in the decades late NAACP letter, political sites for construction [see 2017 bond referendum voted for in a consensus agenda along with boiler replacements], program placement and funding, class size impacts, lack of consolidation on programs, etc. The board of supervisors even stated that there was an elephant in the room for 2019 bond referendum -Mount Vernon open capacity.

School boards in Virginia have a duty to operate with the utmost efficiency and that includes boundary changes. People were shocked that TJ wasn't made into an academy-part time governor's school.

Look at the Reston-Herndon WWYD thread for a perfect example of what is wrong-1 family. Children at different elementary schools. 1 got quarterly pandemic hard copy packets. The other? It's like the old my child got book x to read and another got 5 pages copied of the book. It's the same school division and it just doesn't make sense.

Facilities Planning Advisory Council (FPAC):https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FPAC-Meeting-Minutes-April-2021.pdf
Local level iv in every school-3 year roll out. How can this take 3 years? FCPS has done it in months. What about IB? Consolidation?

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FPAC-Meeting-Minutes-March-2021.pdf
Dr. Lisa Williams, Chief Equity Officer, one the top FCPS leadership positions. " encouraging discussions about diversity, which opens up access for
sharing ideas and experiences. For the topic of community outreach, it’s so important to think
collectively where our assumptions and prejudices arise from and how we can ‘share power’
with other community members. FCPS should ask ‘what do we want to achieve’ through asking
the questions to help move towards a common goal. Design Justice may lie in what are the
individual needs for that school community. In process for considering design justice and “Equity
vs. Equality,”

What is Design Justice? How does the public share power when FCPS comes up with some bizarre stuff and wastes taxpayer money?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will fail. And maybe. If it were Novemver 2021, perhaps. But it is November 2023 and this will not be on the top of voters' minds. It is a pretty small subset now, in my opinion, and will be even less so then.

Tholen had better to work to rehabilitate her reputation if she wants a Democrat to win her seat in 2023:

- kept schools closed and then dragged feet school reopening; shill for teacher organizations

- over 5000 constituents on the record as wanting her removed

- spent months during pandemic instead fretting over TJ admissions; went along with reducing # of Dranesville kids going to TJ

- blatantly favored Langley over McLean (the more Democratic area) in boundary change

- ignored Herndon

But the Herndon precincts went heavily for her. I am not hearing a lot of clamoring for her removal from Herndon.

They were not voting for her or for the democrats.

They were voting against Trump.

By swinging so hard left so quickly, the radical dems on this school board overplayed their hand.

Very few people want their kind of radical marxist CRT socialism. They want moderate, sensible, centrists, even the dems.

They forget they didn't win on this toxic ideas. They won on an anti Trump vote. Now that Trump is gone, a significant number of people are having severe buyers remorse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this work to kick someone out who was never going to run for re-election anyway. She was the stand in when the first choice candidate stepped out to run for BOS at the last minute. I doubt she intended to stay for more than one term.

I think the backlash has been building for decades. Years and years ago, Fairfax was a majority GOP county and slowly it changed to purple and now blue. There are some that at angry and want things to go back to they way there were. However, the electorate does not favor them. For some reason, they have moved to the fringe right instead of staking out the moderate middle. They have no chance going with the fringe right, they have a chance to get a few seats with a moderate middle approach- but they will never be majority in the foreseeable future.

Fairfax County has also grown from a suburban county to a huge urban county. It is still run more like a suburban county and there will be more growing pains since it is hard to run things without someone at the top that can make fast decisions. We have two Boards- BOS and the School Board, they have to figure out how to be able to make decisions faster as issues arise. They can’t debate endlessly.

The only people moving to the fringe are the leftists currently in charge.

When the school board has managed to make Elizabeth Schultz look like a right down the middle centrist, there is zero doubt that the current dems in charge in Virginia are far left crazies.

[Anonymous]

The money on equity initiatives like “Project Justice” and spending $20,000 on a one-hour Ibram Kendi speech is mostly intended to give them cover so members like Tholen can pull stunts like making last-minute changes to boundary adjustments to favor their own, wealthier schools. So much hypocrisy and it’s always at taxpayer expense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this work to kick someone out who was never going to run for re-election anyway. She was the stand in when the first choice candidate stepped out to run for BOS at the last minute. I doubt she intended to stay for more than one term.

I think the backlash has been building for decades. Years and years ago, Fairfax was a majority GOP county and slowly it changed to purple and now blue. There are some that at angry and want things to go back to they way there were. However, the electorate does not favor them. For some reason, they have moved to the fringe right instead of staking out the moderate middle. They have no chance going with the fringe right, they have a chance to get a few seats with a moderate middle approach- but they will never be majority in the foreseeable future.

Fairfax County has also grown from a suburban county to a huge urban county. It is still run more like a suburban county and there will be more growing pains since it is hard to run things without someone at the top that can make fast decisions. We have two Boards- BOS and the School Board, they have to figure out how to be able to make decisions faster as issues arise. They can’t debate endlessly.

The only people moving to the fringe are the leftists currently in charge.

When the school board has managed to make Elizabeth Schultz look like a right down the middle centrist, there is zero doubt that the current dems in charge in Virginia are far left crazies.

Elizabeth Shultz has never looked like a down the middle centrist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this work to kick someone out who was never going to run for re-election anyway. She was the stand in when the first choice candidate stepped out to run for BOS at the last minute. I doubt she intended to stay for more than one term.

I think the backlash has been building for decades. Years and years ago, Fairfax was a majority GOP county and slowly it changed to purple and now blue. There are some that at angry and want things to go back to they way there were. However, the electorate does not favor them. For some reason, they have moved to the fringe right instead of staking out the moderate middle. They have no chance going with the fringe right, they have a chance to get a few seats with a moderate middle approach- but they will never be majority in the foreseeable future.

Fairfax County has also grown from a suburban county to a huge urban county. It is still run more like a suburban county and there will be more growing pains since it is hard to run things without someone at the top that can make fast decisions. We have two Boards- BOS and the School Board, they have to figure out how to be able to make decisions faster as issues arise. They can’t debate endlessly.

The only people moving to the fringe are the leftists currently in charge.

When the school board has managed to make Elizabeth Schultz look like a right down the middle centrist, there is zero doubt that the current dems in charge in Virginia are far left crazies.

You make no sense. If a right wing fringe candidate looks like a middle of the road centrist to you, then the country has shifted to the right not the left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this work to kick someone out who was never going to run for re-election anyway. She was the stand in when the first choice candidate stepped out to run for BOS at the last minute. I doubt she intended to stay for more than one term.

I think the backlash has been building for decades. Years and years ago, Fairfax was a majority GOP county and slowly it changed to purple and now blue. There are some that at angry and want things to go back to they way there were. However, the electorate does not favor them. For some reason, they have moved to the fringe right instead of staking out the moderate middle. They have no chance going with the fringe right, they have a chance to get a few seats with a moderate middle approach- but they will never be majority in the foreseeable future.

Fairfax County has also grown from a suburban county to a huge urban county. It is still run more like a suburban county and there will be more growing pains since it is hard to run things without someone at the top that can make fast decisions. We have two Boards- BOS and the School Board, they have to figure out how to be able to make decisions faster as issues arise. They can’t debate endlessly.

The only people moving to the fringe are the leftists currently in charge.

When the school board has managed to make Elizabeth Schultz look like a right down the middle centrist, there is zero doubt that the current dems in charge in Virginia are far left crazies.

You make no sense. If a right wing fringe candidate looks like a middle of the road centrist to you, then the country has shifted to the right not the left.

DP. I understand your point, but PP was essentially saying that Schultz now seems fairly reasonable in comparison to how far-left the Democrats now running FCPS have swung (or at least pretend to have swung, since so much of what they do is performative theatre).

[Anonymous]

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But the Herndon precincts went heavily for her. I am not hearing a lot of clamoring for her removal from Herndon.

They were not voting for her or for the democrats.
-Clearly you are not from Herndon. Most vote the D endorsement and I imagin did for Tholen for that reason. Herndon was the area of Dranesville that kept Janie Strauss in the position over Epstein, and that was primarily a D v R vote.-[b]

They were voting against Trump.
- There is not a lot of pro or anti-Trump feeling in Herndon. They voted for D for the sake of D.

By swinging so hard left so quickly, the radical dems on this school board overplayed their hand.
-I think the Board is way to "liberal" and would like balance, but I do not know if they have overplayed their hand. I do not like it, but most are not following.

Very few people want their kind of radical marxist CRT socialism. They want moderate, sensible, centrists, even the dems.
- I will skip yout marxist comment. Most do want modeartes sensible people. I know I do.

They forget they didn't win on this toxic ideas. They won on an anti Trump vote. Now that Trump is gone, a significant number of people are having severe buyers remorse.
[/b] The D's won all but two seat before Trump. Now it is all of the seats. Trump did not help, but Fairfax has changed. It really should not be about D v R, and as a Republican I would like more R's on the Board. But I do not want Elizabeth Schultz or those of her kind, either. I am a center-right R. I do not see many of them around, or at least running, in recent times.

[Anonymous]

Sorry I messed up the bolds. Tried to bold the responses, but oh, well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that is the best likelihood - members choosing not to run again. I really do not know if Tholen is subpar or not. I know some people hate her., based on reading here I'm a Herndon parent. No one I know is talking about her one way or the other. Some overall irritation or not over the opening of schools, but no one is naming her as the issue.

+100
The SB members I hear the most about are the three mentioned in the other post - Omeish, Frisch, and Cohen. The worst of the worst.

Tholen is worse than Cohen.

I disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this work to kick someone out who was never going to run for re-election anyway. She was the stand in when the first choice candidate stepped out to run for BOS at the last minute. I doubt she intended to stay for more than one term.

I think the backlash has been building for decades. Years and years ago, Fairfax was a majority GOP county and slowly it changed to purple and now blue. There are some that at angry and want things to go back to they way there were. However, the electorate does not favor them. For some reason, they have moved to the fringe right instead of staking out the moderate middle. They have no chance going with the fringe right, they have a chance to get a few seats with a moderate middle approach- but they will never be majority in the foreseeable future.

Fairfax County has also grown from a suburban county to a huge urban county. It is still run more like a suburban county and there will be more growing pains since it is hard to run things without someone at the top that can make fast decisions. We have two Boards- BOS and the School Board, they have to figure out how to be able to make decisions faster as issues arise. They can’t debate endlessly.

Backlash has been building but not for fringe right or left reasons or suburban-urban. Yes it has more farms-ELS but that started over 2 decades ago. It's academics as seen in the decades late NAACP letter, political sites for construction [see 2017 bond referendum voted for in a consensus agenda along with boiler replacements], program placement and funding, class size impacts, lack of consolidation on programs, etc. The board of supervisors even stated that there was an elephant in the room for 2019 bond referendum -Mount Vernon open capacity.

School boards in Virginia have a duty to operate with the utmost efficiency and that includes boundary changes. People were shocked that TJ wasn't made into an academy-part time governor's school.

Look at the Reston-Herndon WWYD thread for a perfect example of what is wrong-1 family. Children at different elementary schools. 1 got quarterly pandemic hard copy packets. The other? It's like the old my child got book x to read and another got 5 pages copied of the book. It's the same school division and it just doesn't make sense.

Facilities Planning Advisory Council (FPAC):https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FPAC-Meeting-Minutes-April-2021.pdf
Local level iv in every school-3 year roll out. How can this take 3 years? FCPS has done it in months. What about IB? Consolidation?

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FPAC-Meeting-Minutes-March-2021.pdf
Dr. Lisa Williams, Chief Equity Officer, one the top FCPS leadership positions. " encouraging discussions about diversity, which opens up access for
sharing ideas and experiences. For the topic of community outreach, it’s so important to think
collectively where our assumptions and prejudices arise from and how we can ‘share power’
with other community members. FCPS should ask ‘what do we want to achieve’ through asking
the questions to help move towards a common goal. [b]Design Justice may lie in what are the
individual needs for that school community. In process for considering design justice and “Equity
vs. Equality,”

What is Design Justice? How does the public share power when FCPS comes up with some bizarre stuff and wastes taxpayer money?

[/b]

DP. The bolded is the biggest bunch of BS mumbo-jumbo nonsense I have ever read. What a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this work to kick someone out who was never going to run for re-election anyway. She was the stand in when the first choice candidate stepped out to run for BOS at the last minute. I doubt she intended to stay for more than one term.

I think the backlash has been building for decades. Years and years ago, Fairfax was a majority GOP county and slowly it changed to purple and now blue. There are some that at angry and want things to go back to they way there were. However, the electorate does not favor them. For some reason, they have moved to the fringe right instead of staking out the moderate middle. They have no chance going with the fringe right, they have a chance to get a few seats with a moderate middle approach- but they will never be majority in the foreseeable future.

Fairfax County has also grown from a suburban county to a huge urban county. It is still run more like a suburban county and there will be more growing pains since it is hard to run things without someone at the top that can make fast decisions. We have two Boards- BOS and the School Board, they have to figure out how to be able to make decisions faster as issues arise. They can’t debate endlessly.

The only people moving to the fringe are the leftists currently in charge.

When the school board has managed to make Elizabeth Schultz look like a right down the middle centrist, there is zero doubt that the current dems in charge in Virginia are far left crazies.

Elizabeth Shultz has never looked like a down the middle centrist.

The PP is correct. Compared the the leftist clowns we currently have, she's looking better and better. If hard-left liberals are going to continue to be elected, then we need a hard-right candidate to counter them. Of course, the best result would be electing moderates, but somehow I doubt that's going to happen.

[Anonymous]

I am confused why openfcps folks think they won a court victory when it was just a procedural, not a substantive, hearing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that is the best likelihood - members choosing not to run again. I really do not know if Tholen is subpar or not. I know some people hate her., based on reading here I'm a Herndon parent. No one I know is talking about her one way or the other. Some overall irritation or not over the opening of schools, but no one is naming her as the issue.

+100
The SB members I hear the most about are the three mentioned in the other post - Omeish, Frisch, and Cohen. The worst of the worst.

Tholen is worse than Cohen.

I disagree.

It’s not a coincidence that Tholen was the first to get enough signatures to trigger a potential recall. Do you really think no one in Herndon had anything to do with that?