student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Coalition for TJ filed a new Motion for Preliminary Injunction yesterday to prevent FCPS from using the same process for class of 2026 that they used for 2025. Scheduled to be argued before applications are due.

Unless they are making an actual suggestion as to how the process should run, the only effect this will have is to delay the process further. The basics of the process are almost certainly going to remain the same - there will be geographic distribution and there will not be an exam - unless there is a court order that they change or remove those elements.

The time to litigate this will be in the next School Board elections in November of 2023, and the earliest impact will be for the incoming class of 2029. A newly elected school board taking office in early 2024 won't have an impact on the process to select the class of 2028 without creating an even worse time problem than the one that the incessant failed lawsuits created for the class of 2025.

They are suggesting applications be decided on merit. No chance that will fly.

Totally losing argument

I thought the old system decided applications based on who bought the answers.

lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

The problem was too many kids who pinned their entire self-worth on how many awards they won, how many APs they took, and - worst of all - what colleges they did or didn't get into. It's not a good thing when half the senior class every year is disappointed in their college destination, and the problem was a combination of unrealistic expectations and poor strategic choices on how to get there.

And again - it had nothing to do with the proportion of Asian students at the school. It had everything to do with a flawed admissions process that gave kids a backwards idea of, among other things, how to get into a school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

When 30 percent of students in one class is from a prep school that students say they had seen exact test questions, then that's a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

The problem was too many kids who pinned their entire self-worth on how many awards they won, how many APs they took, and - worst of all - what colleges they did or didn't get into. It's not a good thing when half the senior class every year is disappointed in their college destination, and the problem was a combination of unrealistic expectations and poor strategic choices on how to get there.

And again - it had nothing to do with the proportion of Asian students at the school. It had everything to do with a flawed admissions process that gave kids a backwards idea of, among other things, how to get into a school.

Maybe the problem is that all the seniors are applying to the same state colleges... if they expand their vision beyond group think and apply to the many elite/highly rated schools around the country, they wouldn't have a problem with admissions, (provided they had good grades at TJ).

But if all they want to do is go to UVA or VT or some other in state school, clearly no place can afford to admit most of the TJ graduating class. Also, going to TJ and working hard there to aspire for UVA is kind of self defeating thinking. Someone from TJ going to one of these schools wouldn't be challenged for at least the first 2 years of college classes. If they worked so hard through high school, why shoot for local when they can find many similarly challenging programs elsewhere?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

When 30 percent of students in one class is from a prep school that students say they had seen exact test questions, then that's a problem.

Fake news.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Coalition for TJ filed a new Motion for Preliminary Injunction yesterday to prevent FCPS from using the same process for class of 2026 that they used for 2025. Scheduled to be argued before applications are due.

I want to see if the Board uses the Curie-gate scandal as a defense to scrapping the test.

Curie did very well with the new process as well. If you account for the per school quotas, they may have done even better.
The scandal is manufactured out of some kids making some statements that are not confirmed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has been "robbed." It is a taxpayer-funded public school. Admission policies can change. As a Fairfax taxpayer, I'm glad to see admissions will be more evenly spread across the county. I'd rather it become an academy where more kids could take lab-oriented classes.

Admissions can’t be changed in a discriminatory manner - which the Supreme Court has already ruled when it comes to quotas. I am in favor of letting the case play out and living with the outcome. I don’t care how it plays out, I just want it resolved once and for all.

There are no racial quota. Our entire Congess is based on geographic quotas.

Uh. . . the Supreme Court has also ruled that you cannot gerrymander Congressional districts based on racial demographics. You are clearly ignorant of the relevant law. Also, you should probably learn that a state's Congressional district are based on population as opposed to geography.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coalition for TJ filed a new Motion for Preliminary Injunction yesterday to prevent FCPS from using the same process for class of 2026 that they used for 2025. Scheduled to be argued before applications are due.

I want to see if the Board uses the Curie-gate scandal as a defense to scrapping the test.

Curie did very well with the new process as well. If you account for the per school quotas, they may have done even better.
The scandal is manufactured out of some kids making some statements that are not confirmed.

Not confirmed. Sort of like allegations of voter fraud in 2020. If there was anything to this, FCPS would have raised this as a defense in the lawsuit challenging their admissions changes. They did not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

The problem was too many kids who pinned their entire self-worth on how many awards they won, how many APs they took, and - worst of all - what colleges they did or didn't get into. It's not a good thing when half the senior class every year is disappointed in their college destination, and the problem was a combination of unrealistic expectations and poor strategic choices on how to get there.

And again - it had nothing to do with the proportion of Asian students at the school. It had everything to do with a flawed admissions process that gave kids a backwards idea of, among other things, how to get into a school.

Maybe the problem is that all the seniors are applying to the same state colleges... if they expand their vision beyond group think and apply to the many elite/highly rated schools around the country, they wouldn't have a problem with admissions, (provided they had good grades at TJ).

But if all they want to do is go to UVA or VT or some other in state school, clearly no place can afford to admit most of the TJ graduating class. Also, going to TJ and working hard there to aspire for UVA is kind of self defeating thinking. Someone from TJ going to one of these schools wouldn't be challenged for at least the first 2 years of college classes. If they worked so hard through high school, why shoot for local when they can find many similarly challenging programs elsewhere?

That’s…. just not true or relevant. TJ students apply in huge numbers to the highest rated schools in the country, and get in at much lower rates than one would expect (and than they expect) given the prestige of TJ. Don’t betray your ignorance by making dumb statements like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coalition for TJ filed a new Motion for Preliminary Injunction yesterday to prevent FCPS from using the same process for class of 2026 that they used for 2025. Scheduled to be argued before applications are due.

I want to see if the Board uses the Curie-gate scandal as a defense to scrapping the test.

Curie did very well with the new process as well. If you account for the per school quotas, they may have done even better.
The scandal is manufactured out of some kids making some statements that are not confirmed.

Not confirmed. Sort of like allegations of voter fraud in 2020. If there was anything to this, FCPS would have raised this as a defense in the lawsuit challenging their admissions changes. They did not.

Why? What Curie did didn’t obviously break any rules. They just exploited a gap in the system to make a bunch of kids look smarter than they are in a way that others couldn’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

The problem was too many kids who pinned their entire self-worth on how many awards they won, how many APs they took, and - worst of all - what colleges they did or didn't get into. It's not a good thing when half the senior class every year is disappointed in their college destination, and the problem was a combination of unrealistic expectations and poor strategic choices on how to get there.

And again - it had nothing to do with the proportion of Asian students at the school. It had everything to do with a flawed admissions process that gave kids a backwards idea of, among other things, how to get into a school.

Maybe the problem is that all the seniors are applying to the same state colleges... if they expand their vision beyond group think and apply to the many elite/highly rated schools around the country, they wouldn't have a problem with admissions, (provided they had good grades at TJ).

But if all they want to do is go to UVA or VT or some other in state school, clearly no place can afford to admit most of the TJ graduating class. Also, going to TJ and working hard there to aspire for UVA is kind of self defeating thinking. Someone from TJ going to one of these schools wouldn't be challenged for at least the first 2 years of college classes. If they worked so hard through high school, why shoot for local when they can find many similarly challenging programs elsewhere?

That’s…. just not true or relevant. TJ students apply in huge numbers to the highest rated schools in the country, and get in at much lower rates than one would expect (and than they expect) given the prestige of TJ. Don’t betray your ignorance by making dumb statements like that.

You're missing the point that there are way more great colleges across the US than what the typical TJ student seems to be striving for. Of course not many will get into the few MITs with single digit acceptance rates. That doesn't mean TJ students with good grades don't have favorable chances of getting into many other great schools which do not include 'VA' in them. They need to cast the net a bit wider. There are many good schools which very few TJ students apply to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

I don't understand what they have against diversity?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

The problem was too many kids who pinned their entire self-worth on how many awards they won, how many APs they took, and - worst of all - what colleges they did or didn't get into. It's not a good thing when half the senior class every year is disappointed in their college destination, and the problem was a combination of unrealistic expectations and poor strategic choices on how to get there.

And again - it had nothing to do with the proportion of Asian students at the school. It had everything to do with a flawed admissions process that gave kids a backwards idea of, among other things, how to get into a school.

Maybe the problem is that all the seniors are applying to the same state colleges... if they expand their vision beyond group think and apply to the many elite/highly rated schools around the country, they wouldn't have a problem with admissions, (provided they had good grades at TJ).

But if all they want to do is go to UVA or VT or some other in state school, clearly no place can afford to admit most of the TJ graduating class. Also, going to TJ and working hard there to aspire for UVA is kind of self defeating thinking. Someone from TJ going to one of these schools wouldn't be challenged for at least the first 2 years of college classes. If they worked so hard through high school, why shoot for local when they can find many similarly challenging programs elsewhere?

That’s…. just not true or relevant. TJ students apply in huge numbers to the highest rated schools in the country, and get in at much lower rates than one would expect (and than they expect) given the prestige of TJ. Don’t betray your ignorance by making dumb statements like that.

You're missing the point that there are way more great colleges across the US than what the typical TJ student seems to be striving for. Of course not many will get into the few MITs with single digit acceptance rates. That doesn't mean TJ students with good grades don't have favorable chances of getting into many other great schools which do not include 'VA' in them. They need to cast the net a bit wider. There are many good schools which very few TJ students apply to.

Oh, agree completely. This is because of the TJ a community’s extreme obsession with prestige.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s move on! Demographic make up seems to be working for the class of 2025. All reports so far indicate a successful school year is underway.

ONE WEEK!

Long before this admissions change, the first week or two for TJ freshmen was all about ice breakers and orientation. Not sure why that PP thinks conclusions can be drawn already (except she has an agenda to push).

No conclusions can be drawn already, and the ones that are there to be drawn will be extremely difficult to measure. Making things worse is the fact that families insist on cornering the market on any type of phrasing that can be used to signify an improvement in the environment as "racist" or "dog-whistles" when the problems that have existed at TJ long predate the Asian majority.

For some reason, the status quo crowd seems to want to make all of the problems at TJ about Asians instead of about a flawed admissions process that hadn't REALLY changed that much in 30 years and was well behind the curve with respect to elite educational institutions - as well as a principal who actively didn't do anything to deal with the problems that had arisen at his school that he remade in his own image.

It's a cute strategy that you can probably leverage for the Oppression Olympics, but it's disingenuous and doesn't do much for your public perception.

"Didn't do anything to deal with the problems" - what exactly was the problem? Too many Asians? It's the #1 high school in the country. Really hard to say they weren't doing a good job.

When 30 percent of students in one class is from a prep school that students say they had seen exact test questions, then that's a problem.

Yep