White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perps need to follow police orders.

He was a perp? They initiated a stop because they thought he didn't have a tag. When he stopped under the gas station lights they saw the tag.

They should've let him go immediately.

Didn’t stop immediately- kept driving. Suspicious.

Drove slowly to well-lit area. Not suspicious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perps need to follow police orders.

He was a perp? They initiated a stop because they thought he didn't have a tag. When he stopped under the gas station lights they saw the tag.

They should've let him go immediately.

Didn’t stop immediately- kept driving. Suspicious.

He slowed down dramatically and was clearly not evading. He drove straight to a well lit gas station which is often recommended to drivers. He did nothing wrong.

This man is alive because he was in uniform and drove to a well lit area. Thank God! These officers didn’t have the opportunity to kill this upstanding man and get away with it like they usually do.

[Anonymous]

Cop here. This is a bad stop. No call to draw weapons. Pepper spray was no way in policy anywhere. This should have been a discussion with a lot less yelling. Young cop looked like he was doing fine and could have dealt with this. Old cop should be fired.

[Anonymous]

When they saw the rear plate, they lost the ability for this to be a felony stop. Driving less than a mile to a well lit area is not evading police in 2021. 2017 maybe. But times have changes and minority drivers are scared. This should have been handled better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cop here. This is a bad stop. No call to draw weapons. Pepper spray was no way in policy anywhere. This should have been a discussion with a lot less yelling. Young cop looked like he was doing fine and could have dealt with this. Old cop should be fired.

Question for you. What is the policy around the smack talk the officer was doing? Telling him he was about to "ride the lightning" and he should be afraid? How can officers demand blind obedience from citizens and it be okay for them to talk to people that way?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cop here. This is a bad stop. No call to draw weapons. Pepper spray was no way in policy anywhere. This should have been a discussion with a lot less yelling. Young cop looked like he was doing fine and could have dealt with this. Old cop should be fired.

Question for you. What is the policy around the smack talk the officer was doing? Telling him he was about to "ride the lightning" and he should be afraid? How can officers demand blind obedience from citizens and it be okay for them to talk to people that way?

Can't do it in 2021. Not at all. It will get you in trouble. But the policy reason is that you are supposed to deescalate not escalate. A good cop would have said -- hey buddy I hear you -- you army or NG. Where are you coming from? What unit? I was a Marine. What rank? Second Lou -- no sh__. Or should I say not sh__ Sir. I was enlisted. What is going on tonight? I thought you had no plate and the windows are really tinted. But I see the plate now. Hey for my safety could you step out and we can get this straightened out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cop here. This is a bad stop. No call to draw weapons. Pepper spray was no way in policy anywhere. This should have been a discussion with a lot less yelling. Young cop looked like he was doing fine and could have dealt with this. Old cop should be fired.

Question for you. What is the policy around the smack talk the officer was doing? Telling him he was about to "ride the lightning" and he should be afraid? How can officers demand blind obedience from citizens and it be okay for them to talk to people that way?

Can't do it in 2021. Not at all. It will get you in trouble. But the policy reason is that you are supposed to deescalate not escalate. A good cop would have said -- hey buddy I hear you -- you army or NG. Where are you coming from? What unit? I was a Marine. What rank? Second Lou -- no sh__. Or should I say not sh__ Sir. I was enlisted. What is going on tonight? I thought you had no plate and the windows are really tinted. But I see the plate now. Hey for my safety could you step out and we can get this straightened out.

When white women start getting assaulted attitudes towards policing will change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cop here. This is a bad stop. No call to draw weapons. Pepper spray was no way in policy anywhere. This should have been a discussion with a lot less yelling. Young cop looked like he was doing fine and could have dealt with this. Old cop should be fired.

Question for you. What is the policy around the smack talk the officer was doing? Telling him he was about to "ride the lightning" and he should be afraid? How can officers demand blind obedience from citizens and it be okay for them to talk to people that way?

Can't do it in 2021. Not at all. It will get you in trouble. But the policy reason is that you are supposed to deescalate not escalate. A good cop would have said -- hey buddy I hear you -- you army or NG. Where are you coming from? What unit? I was a Marine. What rank? Second Lou -- no sh__. Or should I say not sh__ Sir. I was enlisted. What is going on tonight? I thought you had no plate and the windows are really tinted. But I see the plate now. Hey for my safety could you step out and we can get this straightened out.

When white women start getting assaulted attitudes towards policing will change.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perps need to follow police orders.

He was a perp? They initiated a stop because they thought he didn't have a tag. When he stopped under the gas station lights they saw the tag.

They should've let him go immediately.

Didn’t stop immediately- kept driving. Suspicious.

He slowed down dramatically and was clearly not evading. He drove straight to a well lit gas station which is often recommended to drivers. He did nothing wrong.

This man is alive because he was in uniform and drove to a well lit area. Thank God! These officers didn’t have the opportunity to kill this upstanding man and get away with it like they usually do.

Seriously though....

This is exactly the sort of idiocy that leads people to make bad decisions, like refusing to comply with the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cop here. This is a bad stop. No call to draw weapons. Pepper spray was no way in policy anywhere. This should have been a discussion with a lot less yelling. Young cop looked like he was doing fine and could have dealt with this. Old cop should be fired.

Question for you. What is the policy around the smack talk the officer was doing? Telling him he was about to "ride the lightning" and he should be afraid? How can officers demand blind obedience from citizens and it be okay for them to talk to people that way?

Can't do it in 2021. Not at all. It will get you in trouble. But the policy reason is that you are supposed to deescalate not escalate. A good cop would have said -- hey buddy I hear you -- you army or NG. Where are you coming from? What unit? I was a Marine. What rank? Second Lou -- no sh__. Or should I say not sh__ Sir. I was enlisted. What is going on tonight? I thought you had no plate and the windows are really tinted. But I see the plate now. Hey for my safety could you step out and we can get this straightened out.

Thanks. This is generally how I've heard officers deal with white people. Glad to know it's supposed to be how they deal with us too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cop here. This is a bad stop. No call to draw weapons. Pepper spray was no way in policy anywhere. This should have been a discussion with a lot less yelling. Young cop looked like he was doing fine and could have dealt with this. Old cop should be fired.

This is a perfect example of bad culture within policing. The young cop looks uncomfortable as the situation went on but he’s clearly ‘outranked’ so he stays quiet.

Just like Chauvin being a FTO and one of the younger officers did actually try to tell him to get off George’s neck but he wouldn’t listen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the justice warriors with zero law enforcement training or experience are now use of force experts.

Watch the video asshole. The cop was an unprofessional idiot who created 100% of the problem. There was no justification for any of his “show of force” insanity.

How many times did the driver obey a simple and lawful order to step out of the vehicle?

Yeah, the loudmouth cop is an idiot, but that doesn't mean that you can disobey lawful orders.

Go back to watching cherry picked police videos on CNN you tool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.

He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.

He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.

He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.

If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.

What did Philandro Castro do that was wrong enough to get shot?

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Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult. they told him both to show his hands AND unbuckle his seatbelt, which would have meant potentially reaching for a gun...conflicting "orders" what was he supposed to do? And why is there a presumption of malfeasance? If he were white, they would not have pulled him over, much less charged his car with guns showing

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst. maybe? they pulled over a guy in uniform

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

cletus and barney were in the wrong, their conduct was not that of "protect and defend" - it was aggressive and needlessly hostile.

Why do you think they even knew his race when they pulled him over?

This is what is sad about the level of discourse we have today on race.

People are just desperate to insert it into anything and everything, regardless of whether there is any evidence it was a factor at all.

(And being in uniform changes what exactly? Do you think soldiers don't commit crimes? I have some bad news for you...)

The focus was on how he was treated when they could see it was a black man in his military uniform. And again no crime was committed, he wasn't even given a ticket. He wasn't speeding, he did nothing wrong. You are criminalizing him for no other reason than being black.

Of course soldiers can commit crimes; a soldier murdered one of his own and hid the body in Ft. Hood. No one is denying that someone in the military can commit a crime.

He was pulled over because the license plate wasn't visible.

Nobody "criminalized" him for being black. If he had just followed directions everything would have been over quickly and without drama.

The temporary license plate is visible in the video. Just because the police didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't visible.