White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA

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04/13/2021 13:16

Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA

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Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.

He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.

He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.

He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.

If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.

Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.

They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."

Like someone else said, Philando Castile did that and he's dead.

Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.

Arguing with the cops is stupid.

You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.

So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.

Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.

Like someone else said, Philando Castile did that and he's dead.

So it's a good idea to disobey lawful police orders because the cop in the Philando Castile case screwed up? I love reading these LE threads which contain dozens of idiotic comments from DCUM morons with absolutely no LE training or experience.

A big part of the problem is that the big cop just doesn't get it. The other problem is that most cops are afraid to fight people because they have become dependent on using tazers for the last 15 years.

The point is that it doesn't matter. You can do everything right, and a trigger happy bully can still murder you and call it your fault.

There was no freaking reason to fight here. The man had his hands out the window and was asking questions. Open your mouth and talk to him like a freaking human being.

For too long cops have been on the wrong side of history when it came to treatment of Black people and respect for their rights. Now, in this supposed post racial era where Black people are supposedly equal, we're all just supposed to forget how things were as recently as our parents lifetimes.

Black people don't trust police and they are rightfully terrified. We've done absolutely NOTHING to address the sins of the past, NOTHING to reform police forces that a mere generation ago were hosing down black children with fire hoses and attacking them with dogs. And yall want to act like everything would be okay if we just properly submit to your authority??? Come on. Get real!! Nothing will change until police acknowledge THEIR responsibility in all of this. You have an entire race of people that do not trust you and for damn good reasons.

Yes, you’re right. You can do everything right and still get shot. But that is extremely, extremely rare. Just look at the statistics at how many interactions police have with people per day and how many people were unjustifiably shot. It is minuscule. Your best bet by far is to comply. I’m not sure if you saw the video this guy took from his cell phone but he was clearly setting up the officers and tempting them to do something wrong. I assume he was looking for a pay day.

The fact is, when a subject becomes non compliant it is a huge red flag for police and gets them raised up. They are human beings and a lot of the reaction you are seeing from them is fear about what that guy was up to. Maybe they were wrong and I agree their instructions were unclear, but it is a natural human response to want to control the situation rather than some racial victimizing thing. Try walking a day in their shoes and you will understand why these situations (late at night, tinted out SUV with who knows what in the back, bizarrely non-compliant subject, etc). It’s not to say their actions were perfect but it is a complete stretch to say they were driven by race. Also I believe the cop who deployed the spray was Hispanic.

Excuses, justifications, and deflections. Also, Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. For example, I am Puerto Rican. I am also Black. I have a friend who is Cuban. She is white. Hispanic countries and people are not immune from white supremacy.

You're so quick to empathize with the officers. "Walk a day in their shoes." Why not also empathize with their victims for a change? Walk a day in their shoes. The officer is the professional. The burden on getting things right, even when they are afraid, should be on them. Not on the civilian.

Right, so you admit you are not trying to see things from the perspective of officers at all. You have no interest in actually understanding why they behave they way they do but would rather see things only from your perspective and ignorantly criticize. If you really wanted to address the problem you would try to get to the bottom of it rather than being happy to continue playing the victim.

Officers make mistakes just like civilians do. Just because they do does not make them racist/ethnicitist/whatever woke categorization you want to use. Officers deal with life or death situations constantly and I don’t think it’s shocking that they sometimes make the wrong call. Believe it or not, they make mistakes with white subjects all the time, too. And believe it or not, lots of officers are minorities, especially in DC, NYC, etc. Frankly I prefer that they err on the side of keeping themselves and the public safe. When a civilian interacts with an officer they have the burden to comply - that is unquestionably on them. When a subject is being deliberately non compliant they are taking a huge unnecessary risk to themselves and the officers. And guess what - each one of us walks in one of these “victims’” shoes every single day so it is easy to emphathize there. Any day any one of us could be approached by an officer, and the vast majority of us would COMPLY regardless of race.

No. Officers have an enormous amount of power that we provide to them. They get to arrest people. They get to pull them over. They get use force on them if they can justify it. They are *given* guns and other weapons to do their job. All of this power that we the people give to cops. They cannot use that power without following some simple rules. People that are being policed have some basic rights. And one of those rights is to ask what they are being detained for. Does the Miranda sound stupid to you? It does to me. But it is important that authorities invoke acknowledge the rights of the accused and use their power only for good. So in every instance, the responsibility is on the part of the officer. This would be true if it were a middle aged white woman, a black military officer, or a coked out Asian junkie.

You are just factually incorrect. An officer does not have to tell a subject why he is being stopped/detained/arrested at the time of the stop/arrest. You might find that surprising but it is the truth. Eventually yes, but in the heat of the moment, no. Same thing with Miranda rights. An officer only needs to give them if they are going to do a custodial interrogation. You know nothing about policing or criminal law. Stop acting like an expert based on your thoughts of what sounds nice.

No they don’t have to say why they are stopping the vehicle but in that situation it would have taken the heat down a few notches. “Why don’t you have a license plate?” would have given the man an opportunity to explain and realize it was a valid stop. If it had been a stolen vehicle the fat one was not using anything like proper tactics. I have to assume at the point he was intent on taking the soldier out of the car he knew the vehicle wasn’t stolen. He must have had poor training.

No matter. The State Attorney General has called for a civil rights investigation. This probably ends with Windsor disbanding their police force and losing their speed trap income stream. The State Police and Sheriff’s Department can handle it.

Officer needs a reason to ask you to step out of the car: Pennsylvania vs. Mimms. Cops can ask you to exit the vehicle only if they have "objective observable facts to support a suspicion that criminal activity was afoot or that the occupants of the vehicle posed a threat to police safety"

Neither was true at the time the car was pulled over. They could clearly see the temporary tags by the point in time that the car was stopped.

They saw he had tags by the time they pulled him over. They had no reason and therefore