APS Return to School Presentation Posted

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Anonymous wrote:Not a teacher but having teachers in the building without students is dumb as F.

It increases their risk of exposure from other teachers (shared bathrooms, who knows how HVAC works, etc). For freaking theater.

WTF muscle memory? When they can go back safely and teach to students in person, they won’t forget how to stand in front of a whiteboard

Unless they haven't left their house since the pandemic began, this is no more risky than their every day activities.

BS. Shared bathrooms alone make it way way higher. Have you ever used a school bathroom?

DP. I use the school bathroom virtually every time I’m at the school. School bathrooms are about the same as other public bathrooms. Have you not used a public bathroom since March?

I've only used a public bathroom twice since March. Is that weird? I thought most people were avoiding public bathrooms.

Its really not that risky. Its a potential, albeit unlikely path. There are no known cases of toilet plume transmission- but it has been theoretically studied. I think focusing on the bathroom is kind of like washing your groceries- yes there is a theoretical possibility of covid transmission in all the right circumstances- but it extremely unlikely.
https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/infectious-disease/COVID-19-bathroom/98/i38

It’s not about the toilet plume. It’s about the airborne exhalation lingering on a poorly vented space.

As t least teachers have their own bathrooms b/c I would not want to use a student bathroom, i guarantee kids will be taking off their masks in there.

I understand that. I’m also a teacher. I’ll be wearing my mask the whole time!

But maybe I’ll lose weight! Cause I’m not taking it off to eat or drink there. No way. Back to work!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Not a teacher but having teachers in the building without students is dumb as F.

It increases their risk of exposure from other teachers (shared bathrooms, who knows how HVAC works, etc). For freaking theater.

WTF muscle memory? When they can go back safely and teach to students in person, they won’t forget how to stand in front of a whiteboard

Unless they haven't left their house since the pandemic began, this is no more risky than their every day activities.

BS. Shared bathrooms alone make it way way higher. Have you ever used a school bathroom?

DP. I use the school bathroom virtually every time I’m at the school. School bathrooms are about the same as other public bathrooms. Have you not used a public bathroom since March?

I've only used a public bathroom twice since March. Is that weird? I thought most people were avoiding public bathrooms.

Its really not that risky. Its a potential, albeit unlikely path. There are no known cases of toilet plume transmission- but it has been theoretically studied. I think focusing on the bathroom is kind of like washing your groceries- yes there is a theoretical possibility of covid transmission in all the right circumstances- but it extremely unlikely.
https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/infectious-disease/COVID-19-bathroom/98/i38

It’s not about the toilet plume. It’s about the airborne exhalation lingering on a poorly vented space.

As t least teachers have their own bathrooms b/c I would not want to use a student bathroom, i guarantee kids will be taking off their masks in there.

I understand that. I’m also a teacher. I’ll be wearing my mask the whole time!

Oh that’s good you have N95 them. Most masks protect others not you hence my concern.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and prepared to return with students. I really don’t understand why I need to put on a mask and teach in an empty room to my students who are home. It’s just illogical.

same! I have been wanting to go back since the fall and even advocating for it. I'm just annoyed that I would need to go to school to teach to an empty classroom. it doesn't make sense to me, and it really would increase my risk. I'm not going to fight this, I just don't get it

Principal: +1000

Assistant Principal: +1000

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I've only used a public bathroom twice since March. Is that weird? I thought most people were avoiding public bathrooms.

I haven't used a public bathroom at all since March. I've been working from home and we don't take long road trips.

My spouse has a small bladder though and has done it several times.

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I've only used a public bathroom twice since March. Is that weird? I thought most people were avoiding public bathrooms.

I haven't used a public bathroom at all since March. I've been working from home and we don't take long road trips.

My spouse has a small bladder though and has done it several times.

I keep following the 15 minute exposure guidance. If I can get in and out in 15 minutes (masked), I'll be fine. Public bathrooms fall into that category. Many places have made their bathrooms single occupancy which is reassuring too.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and prepared to return with students. I really don’t understand why I need to put on a mask and teach in an empty room to my students who are home. It’s just illogical.

same! I have been wanting to go back since the fall and even advocating for it. I'm just annoyed that I would need to go to school to teach to an empty classroom. it doesn't make sense to me, and it really would increase my risk. I'm not going to fight this, I just don't get it

Principal: +1000

Assistant Principal: +1000

Then perhaps you should watch last night’s school board meeting. Your ignorance is not impressive or compelling.

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As t least teachers have their own bathrooms b/c I would not want to use a student bathroom, i guarantee kids will be taking off their masks in there.

What makes you assume this? There are APS schools where teachers do not have any bathrooms on the same floor, and they are so far away that the teacher would be late returning to class. These teachers do share the filthy student bathrooms with students.

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I’m a teacher and prepared to return with students. I really don’t understand why I need to put on a mask and teach in an empty room to my students who are home. It’s just illogical.

Maybe, but I know some of my son's teachers have had issues with internet bandwith from home, so in some cases, if the school's bandwith is better, it would be preferable.

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Was there any discussion at all (even a hint?) of when they might look to bring students back? Was there anything in the SB back and forth worthy of mention!

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How long will we let the teachers hold our students hostage?



Until they feel 100 % confident they can ward of any possible lawsuit from teachers or staff.


I hope teachers have prepared a lawsuit. They should. APS is making it easier for them by ordering them back at the apex (for now) of the pandemic.



I think this is awful too but what's the legal basis for a lawsuit?



Talk about privilege. You’re going to sue your employer for requiring you to go to....drumroll please: WORK!?

You conveniently forget that school IS in session and teachers ARE working. You might not like the format, but the teachers ARE working.

There very well could be a lawsuit against APS, because teachers were told in the fall that they could telework if they had age considerations, sick/medically fragile family members, or if they were caregivers. Now, suddenly, all of those accomodations have been cut for 2021, even after some teachers were granted these accomodations already for the fall (this was in case school had gone back in the fall).

APS moved these goalposts with two weeks' notice without ever notifying most teachers of the change. This is not only unfair, but it is now putting teachers' health at risk. For example, there are teachers and staff that are over 65--they should not have to go into the building until they have vaccines.

Not only this, but many teachers applied for the accomodations in the fall and their requests were never even responded to. Some teachers applied two and three times, only to be told to apply again.

[Anonymous]

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I’m a teacher and prepared to return with students. I really don’t understand why I need to put on a mask and teach in an empty room to my students who are home. It’s just illogical.

Maybe, but I know some of my son's teachers have had issues with internet bandwith from home, so in some cases, if the school's bandwith is better, it would be preferable.

Lol at school band with being better unless they did significant upgrades

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a teacher but having teachers in the building without students is dumb as F.

It increases their risk of exposure from other teachers (shared bathrooms, who knows how HVAC works, etc). For freaking theater.

WTF muscle memory? When they can go back safely and teach to students in person, they won’t forget how to stand in front of a whiteboard

Unless they haven't left their house since the pandemic began, this is no more risky than their every day activities.

BS. Shared bathrooms alone make it way way higher. Have you ever used a school bathroom?

DP. I use the school bathroom virtually every time I’m at the school. School bathrooms are about the same as other public bathrooms. Have you not used a public bathroom since March?

I've only used a public bathroom twice since March. Is that weird? I thought most people were avoiding public bathrooms.

Lol. I read PP as saying she "virtually" uses the bathroom as a joke, ha! As in, everything is "virtual" these days.

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Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

Then you don't very many doctors. I can say the same except everyone I know thinks school should be open and they are all applying to private themselves!

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How long will we let the teachers hold our students hostage?



Until they feel 100 % confident they can ward of any possible lawsuit from teachers or staff.


I hope teachers have prepared a lawsuit. They should. APS is making it easier for them by ordering them back at the apex (for now) of the pandemic.



I think this is awful too but what's the legal basis for a lawsuit?



Talk about privilege. You’re going to sue your employer for requiring you to go to....drumroll please: WORK!?

You conveniently forget that school IS in session and teachers ARE working. You might not like the format, but the teachers ARE working.

There very well could be a lawsuit against APS, because teachers were told in the fall that they could telework if they had age considerations, sick/medically fragile family members, or if they were caregivers. Now, suddenly, all of those accomodations have been cut for 2021, even after some teachers were granted these accomodations already for the fall (this was in case school had gone back in the fall).

APS moved these goalposts with two weeks' notice without ever notifying most teachers of the change. This is not only unfair, but it is now putting teachers' health at risk. For example, there are teachers and staff that are over 65--they should not have to go into the building until they have vaccines.

Not only this, but many teachers applied for the accomodations in the fall and their requests were never even responded to. Some teachers applied two and three times, only to be told to apply again.

Welcome to what employee across many other sectors have been facing throughout the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

Then you don't very many doctors. I can say the same except everyone I know thinks school should be open and they are all applying to private themselves!

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

DP and the doctors that I know moved their kids to private school in person, because they need to go to work.