APS Return to School Presentation Posted

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I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.



THIS.



... and other professions have the privilege of being able to put in two weeks notice without jeopardizing their entire career. Teachers cannot leave mid year without penalty ( and being banned from surrounding school districts). This year school systems have essentially asked for teachers to make a decision about their employment but then have continually changed the terms of that employment without opportunity for exiting without penalty. Many teachers felt comfortable with the original district plans back in Summer/Falls and made their decisions based on those plans. But then the plans changed and they are being asked to simply accept without question new metrics and new circumstances, many of which they feel uncomfortable with or downright scared accepting!

So no, teaching isn’t like employment in many other fields.



Boo effing hoo. We are all facing unexpected working conditions in this pandemic than we did before, and we are having to cope without throwing these kids of tantrums. I can’t be nearly as efficient working from home as in the office, but my employer won’t let me work in the office even though they expect me to produce the same amount of work, so I’m working twice as many hours for the same pay. I may be able to give two weeks notice at my job, but that’s pretty meaningless when no one is hiring in my sector and the only alternative is unemployment, especially when I still need to keep a roof over our heads. Stop acting like teachers are the only ones this sucks for.



I guess I missed it...where did PP suggest that teachers are the only ones this sucks for? PP was simply explaining that teachers are hardly privileged in this situation. That's all.


PP was trying to make a case for why teachers have it worse than others. Their situation is just different, not better or worse.

No, they weren't. You just dislike teachers so much that you are reading into what they wrote.

+1

So much misplaced venom for teachers.

Sit TF down, hateful parents, until you can respond rationally.

-Parent

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

Stop saying it is mask optional...its not, stop the drama.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

DP. More like because they don’t have any options for ensuring their kids are engaged in schooling and completing work while they parents are at work. Teachers have placed those responsibilities wholly onto parents under the blithe assumption that all parents are at home and can do this part of teachers’ jobs for them.

I'm sure almost all doctors and nurses have the resources to find a babysitter or tutor to make sure kids are engaged in virtual school. Or send to in-person private school.

That's why it's odd that PP is claiming that the doctors and nurses need to send their kids to school for childcare.

You have no effing clue what you are talking about. Not all medical professionals are highly paid, but they are still in hospitals and nursing home and doctors offices doing their jobs so people can get appropriate medical care. If you’re not familiar with any nursing aides who are barely scraping by, that reflects only your privilege and isolation from non-affluent populations, not reality.

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Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

DP. More like because they don’t have any options for ensuring their kids are engaged in schooling and completing work while they parents are at work. Teachers have placed those responsibilities wholly onto parents under the blithe assumption that all parents are at home and can do this part of teachers’ jobs for them.

I'm sure almost all doctors and nurses have the resources to find a babysitter or tutor to make sure kids are engaged in virtual school. Or send to in-person private school.

That's why it's odd that PP is claiming that the doctors and nurses need to send their kids to school for childcare.

You have no effing clue what you are talking about. Not all medical professionals are highly paid, but they are still in hospitals and nursing home and doctors offices doing their jobs so people can get appropriate medical care. If you’re not familiar with any nursing aides who are barely scraping by, that reflects only your privilege and isolation from non-affluent populations, not reality.

Sure I’m sure nurses aides want kids back to school, just like daycare workers and cashiers, but I wouldn’t consider them an authority on whether kids back to school or not. Doctors and maybe nurses can help people evaluate that risk, as they have medical authority and that was the far-PP point. And the follow up was anyone who could be an authority on medical risk for in person class would also be compensated enough to hire care.

Regardless most doctors aren’t public health experts, so can’t make a contribution to the community risk this represents or the risk to teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

Stop saying it is mask optional...its not, stop the drama.

Okay let’s say a 3rd grade takes off their mask on class. How fast will they be removed from a classroom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

Stop saying it is mask optional...its not, stop the drama.

Okay let’s say a 3rd grade takes off their mask on class. How fast will they be removed from a classroom?

Then the teacher tells him to put it back on. I have taught in person since August. These arguments are largely strawmen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

Stop saying it is mask optional...its not, stop the drama.

Okay let’s say a 3rd grade takes off their mask on class. How fast will they be removed from a classroom?

Then the teacher tells him to put it back on. I have taught in person since August. These arguments are largely strawmen.

Haha, okay teacher in an all white UMC LCPS elementary school.

How about for the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

Stop saying it is mask optional...its not, stop the drama.

Okay let’s say a 3rd grade takes off their mask on class. How fast will they be removed from a classroom?

Then the teacher tells him to put it back on. I have taught in person since August. These arguments are largely strawmen.

Haha, okay teacher in an all white UMC LCPS elementary school.

How about for the rest of us.

Well, no. I teach in a diverse school that can't afford most of the measures that teachers are stating as "requirements."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

Stop saying it is mask optional...its not, stop the drama.

Okay let’s say a 3rd grade takes off their mask on class. How fast will they be removed from a classroom?

Then the teacher tells him to put it back on. I have taught in person since August. These arguments are largely strawmen.

Haha, okay teacher in an all white UMC LCPS elementary school.

How about for the rest of us.

Well, no. I teach in a diverse school that can't afford most of the measures that teachers are stating as "requirements."

Either way, there will be kids who refuse to mask, just as there are kids who refuse to sit down or stop talking or whatnot anyday.

What happens then. That's what I'm asking. Exposure threshold is 15 min, so clock is ticking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

DP. More like because they don’t have any options for ensuring their kids are engaged in schooling and completing work while they parents are at work. Teachers have placed those responsibilities wholly onto parents under the blithe assumption that all parents are at home and can do this part of teachers’ jobs for them.

I'm sure almost all doctors and nurses have the resources to find a babysitter or tutor to make sure kids are engaged in virtual school. Or send to in-person private school.

That's why it's odd that PP is claiming that the doctors and nurses need to send their kids to school for childcare.

You have no effing clue what you are talking about. Not all medical professionals are highly paid, but they are still in hospitals and nursing home and doctors offices doing their jobs so people can get appropriate medical care. If you’re not familiar with any nursing aides who are barely scraping by, that reflects only your privilege and isolation from non-affluent populations, not reality.

Sure I’m sure nurses aides want kids back to school, just like daycare workers and cashiers, but I wouldn’t consider them an authority on whether kids back to school or not. Doctors and maybe nurses can help people evaluate that risk, as they have medical authority and that was the far-PP point. And the follow up was anyone who could be an authority on medical risk for in person class would also be compensated enough to hire care.

Regardless most doctors aren’t public health experts, so can’t make a contribution to the community risk this represents or the risk to teachers.

OMG> You realize the public health experts have been pushing for schools to open, right/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.



THIS.



... and other professions have the privilege of being able to put in two weeks notice without jeopardizing their entire career. Teachers cannot leave mid year without penalty ( and being banned from surrounding school districts). This year school systems have essentially asked for teachers to make a decision about their employment but then have continually changed the terms of that employment without opportunity for exiting without penalty. Many teachers felt comfortable with the original district plans back in Summer/Falls and made their decisions based on those plans. But then the plans changed and they are being asked to simply accept without question new metrics and new circumstances, many of which they feel uncomfortable with or downright scared accepting!

So no, teaching isn’t like employment in many other fields.



Boo effing hoo. We are all facing unexpected working conditions in this pandemic than we did before, and we are having to cope without throwing these kids of tantrums. I can’t be nearly as efficient working from home as in the office, but my employer won’t let me work in the office even though they expect me to produce the same amount of work, so I’m working twice as many hours for the same pay. I may be able to give two weeks notice at my job, but that’s pretty meaningless when no one is hiring in my sector and the only alternative is unemployment, especially when I still need to keep a roof over our heads. Stop acting like teachers are the only ones this sucks for.



I guess I missed it...where did PP suggest that teachers are the only ones this sucks for? PP was simply explaining that teachers are hardly privileged in this situation. That's all.


PP was trying to make a case for why teachers have it worse than others. Their situation is just different, not better or worse.

No, they weren't. You just dislike teachers so much that you are reading into what they wrote.

+1

So much misplaced venom for teachers.

Sit TF down, hateful parents, until you can respond rationally.

-Parent

If you don’t want to her differing opinions, go back to your echo chamber.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

DP. More like because they don’t have any options for ensuring their kids are engaged in schooling and completing work while they parents are at work. Teachers have placed those responsibilities wholly onto parents under the blithe assumption that all parents are at home and can do this part of teachers’ jobs for them.

I'm sure almost all doctors and nurses have the resources to find a babysitter or tutor to make sure kids are engaged in virtual school. Or send to in-person private school.

That's why it's odd that PP is claiming that the doctors and nurses need to send their kids to school for childcare.

You have no effing clue what you are talking about. Not all medical professionals are highly paid, but they are still in hospitals and nursing home and doctors offices doing their jobs so people can get appropriate medical care. If you’re not familiar with any nursing aides who are barely scraping by, that reflects only your privilege and isolation from non-affluent populations, not reality.

Nurse aide? With how much medical training in infectious diseases?

So, to be clear, they aren't pushing schools to open in their medical opinion. They are pushing schools to open because they need childcare?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.



THIS.



... and other professions have the privilege of being able to put in two weeks notice without jeopardizing their entire career. Teachers cannot leave mid year without penalty ( and being banned from surrounding school districts). This year school systems have essentially asked for teachers to make a decision about their employment but then have continually changed the terms of that employment without opportunity for exiting without penalty. Many teachers felt comfortable with the original district plans back in Summer/Falls and made their decisions based on those plans. But then the plans changed and they are being asked to simply accept without question new metrics and new circumstances, many of which they feel uncomfortable with or downright scared accepting!

So no, teaching isn’t like employment in many other fields.



Boo effing hoo. We are all facing unexpected working conditions in this pandemic than we did before, and we are having to cope without throwing these kids of tantrums. I can’t be nearly as efficient working from home as in the office, but my employer won’t let me work in the office even though they expect me to produce the same amount of work, so I’m working twice as many hours for the same pay. I may be able to give two weeks notice at my job, but that’s pretty meaningless when no one is hiring in my sector and the only alternative is unemployment, especially when I still need to keep a roof over our heads. Stop acting like teachers are the only ones this sucks for.



I guess I missed it...where did PP suggest that teachers are the only ones this sucks for? PP was simply explaining that teachers are hardly privileged in this situation. That's all.


PP was trying to make a case for why teachers have it worse than others. Their situation is just different, not better or worse.

No, they weren't. You just dislike teachers so much that you are reading into what they wrote.

+1

So much misplaced venom for teachers.

Sit TF down, hateful parents, until you can respond rationally.

-Parent

If you don’t want to her differing opinions, go back to your echo chamber.

If PP would like to share relevant facts and opinions based on facts, then sure. But if PP wants to disparage teachers for no reason - nope. Sit TF down.

[Anonymous]

So much misplaced venom for teachers.

Sit TF down, hateful parents, until you can respond rationally.

-Parent

THIS
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