APS Return to School Presentation Posted

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Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

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Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

DP. More like because they don’t have any options for ensuring their kids are engaged in schooling and completing work while they parents are at work. Teachers have placed those responsibilities wholly onto parents under the blithe assumption that all parents are at home and can do this part of teachers’ jobs for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

THIS.

... and other professions have the privilege of being able to put in two weeks notice without jeopardizing their entire career. Teachers cannot leave mid year without penalty ( and being banned from surrounding school districts). This year school systems have essentially asked for teachers to make a decision about their employment but then have continually changed the terms of that employment without opportunity for exiting without penalty. Many teachers felt comfortable with the original district plans back in Summer/Falls and made their decisions based on those plans. But then the plans changed and they are being asked to simply accept without question new metrics and new circumstances, many of which they feel uncomfortable with or downright scared accepting!

So no, teaching isn’t like employment in many other fields.

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Not new metrics. The elimination of any metrics.

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Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

Please a doctor would just hire a sitter. And you only need childcare from age 5-9; a 10 year old is perfectly capable of sitting in front of a screen for 6 hrs and making a peanut butter sandwich lunch.

Not all 10 year olds will do this. Some need the accountability of an adult helping them stay on task. Also, not all medical professionals are highly-paid doctors. I know it makes your argument easier to focus on just them, but what about the LPNs?

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Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

Please a doctor would just hire a sitter. And you only need childcare from age 5-9; a 10 year old is perfectly capable of sitting in front of a screen for 6 hrs and making a peanut butter sandwich lunch.

Not all 10 year olds will do this. Some need the accountability of an adult helping them stay on task. Also, not all medical professionals are highly-paid doctors. I know it makes your argument easier to focus on just them, but what about the LPNs?

Strongly disagree with this. My husband and I are sharing duties and bending over backwards to ensure someone is home with our 12 and 14 year
Olds. Kids are not meant to be unsupervised for hours on end. Of course they need childcare if they can’t be there in person. It’s stressful and we all need human contact.

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Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

THIS.

... and other professions have the privilege of being able to put in two weeks notice without jeopardizing their entire career. Teachers cannot leave mid year without penalty ( and being banned from surrounding school districts). This year school systems have essentially asked for teachers to make a decision about their employment but then have continually changed the terms of that employment without opportunity for exiting without penalty. Many teachers felt comfortable with the original district plans back in Summer/Falls and made their decisions based on those plans. But then the plans changed and they are being asked to simply accept without question new metrics and new circumstances, many of which they feel uncomfortable with or downright scared accepting!

So no, teaching isn’t like employment in many other fields.

Boo effing hoo. We are all facing unexpected working conditions in this pandemic than we did before, and we are having to cope without throwing these kids of tantrums. I can’t be nearly as efficient working from home as in the office, but my employer won’t let me work in the office even though they expect me to produce the same amount of work, so I’m working twice as many hours for the same pay. I may be able to give two weeks notice at my job, but that’s pretty meaningless when no one is hiring in my sector and the only alternative is unemployment, especially when I still need to keep a roof over our heads. Stop acting like teachers are the only ones this sucks for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

FFS. Schools are not "mask optional" places. Your arguments would be much better received if you didn't exaggerate and misstate facts.

Kids are taking off their masks for lunch yes? And we have no guidance for how to handle kids who regularly remove their mask or nose surf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

FFS. Schools are not "mask optional" places. Your arguments would be much better received if you didn't exaggerate and misstate facts.

Kids are taking off their masks for lunch yes? And we have no guidance for how to handle kids who regularly remove their mask or nose surf

Do you really think other people have coworkers who go 8 hours everyday without removing their mask to eat or drink? Or do you think everyone is standing out on the street in January to eat their lunch?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

FFS. Schools are not "mask optional" places. Your arguments would be much better received if you didn't exaggerate and misstate facts.

Kids are taking off their masks for lunch yes? And we have no guidance for how to handle kids who regularly remove their mask or nose surf

Do you really think other people have coworkers who go 8 hours everyday without removing their mask to eat or drink? Or do you think everyone is standing out on the street in January to eat their lunch?

I know they don’t all sit in an enclosed conference room and have lunch together unmasked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.

FFS are they making you sit in an enclosed poorly ventilated room for 7 hrs with mask optional coworkers?

FFS. Schools are not "mask optional" places. Your arguments would be much better received if you didn't exaggerate and misstate facts.

Kids are taking off their masks for lunch yes? And we have no guidance for how to handle kids who regularly remove their mask or nose surf

Do you really think other people have coworkers who go 8 hours everyday without removing their mask to eat or drink? Or do you think everyone is standing out on the street in January to eat their lunch?

I know they don’t all sit in an enclosed conference room and have lunch together unmasked.

You think every non-teacher has their own private office with a door they can close? Plenty of them have no choice but to eat in a common break room together. You are really out of touch with private sector employees.

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I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.



THIS.



... and other professions have the privilege of being able to put in two weeks notice without jeopardizing their entire career. Teachers cannot leave mid year without penalty ( and being banned from surrounding school districts). This year school systems have essentially asked for teachers to make a decision about their employment but then have continually changed the terms of that employment without opportunity for exiting without penalty. Many teachers felt comfortable with the original district plans back in Summer/Falls and made their decisions based on those plans. But then the plans changed and they are being asked to simply accept without question new metrics and new circumstances, many of which they feel uncomfortable with or downright scared accepting!

So no, teaching isn’t like employment in many other fields.



Boo effing hoo. We are all facing unexpected working conditions in this pandemic than we did before, and we are having to cope without throwing these kids of tantrums. I can’t be nearly as efficient working from home as in the office, but my employer won’t let me work in the office even though they expect me to produce the same amount of work, so I’m working twice as many hours for the same pay. I may be able to give two weeks notice at my job, but that’s pretty meaningless when no one is hiring in my sector and the only alternative is unemployment, especially when I still need to keep a roof over our heads. Stop acting like teachers are the only ones this sucks for.

I guess I missed it...where did PP suggest that teachers are the only ones this sucks for? PP was simply explaining that teachers are hardly privileged in this situation. That's all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

DP. More like because they don’t have any options for ensuring their kids are engaged in schooling and completing work while they parents are at work. Teachers have placed those responsibilities wholly onto parents under the blithe assumption that all parents are at home and can do this part of teachers’ jobs for them.

This. We are basically teaching assistants to help make sure our first grader is on task and participating and engaged. Do you know what it is like to have a first grader be called on once in 60 minutes and try to wait it out? They do not have the attention span to tolerate it day in and day out and stay independently motivated and engaged.

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I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.



THIS.



... and other professions have the privilege of being able to put in two weeks notice without jeopardizing their entire career. Teachers cannot leave mid year without penalty ( and being banned from surrounding school districts). This year school systems have essentially asked for teachers to make a decision about their employment but then have continually changed the terms of that employment without opportunity for exiting without penalty. Many teachers felt comfortable with the original district plans back in Summer/Falls and made their decisions based on those plans. But then the plans changed and they are being asked to simply accept without question new metrics and new circumstances, many of which they feel uncomfortable with or downright scared accepting!

So no, teaching isn’t like employment in many other fields.



Boo effing hoo. We are all facing unexpected working conditions in this pandemic than we did before, and we are having to cope without throwing these kids of tantrums. I can’t be nearly as efficient working from home as in the office, but my employer won’t let me work in the office even though they expect me to produce the same amount of work, so I’m working twice as many hours for the same pay. I may be able to give two weeks notice at my job, but that’s pretty meaningless when no one is hiring in my sector and the only alternative is unemployment, especially when I still need to keep a roof over our heads. Stop acting like teachers are the only ones this sucks for.

I guess I missed it...where did PP suggest that teachers are the only ones this sucks for? PP was simply explaining that teachers are hardly privileged in this situation. That's all.

PP was trying to make a case for why teachers have it worse than others. Their situation is just different, not better or worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think part of what makes this laughable to many people in the private sector is that we don’t get nearly the input into the terms of our employment that teachers are demanding right now. Plenty of employers have been requiring people to return to working in-office, and those employees have no say in whether they get to do that. If your employer doesn’t think the job is being done well enough remotely, they can order people back to the office and that’s that. That teachers feel confident they can speak out, at times saying some very disrespectful things about the administration, without repercussions, is quite the privilege.



THIS.



... and other professions have the privilege of being able to put in two weeks notice without jeopardizing their entire career. Teachers cannot leave mid year without penalty ( and being banned from surrounding school districts). This year school systems have essentially asked for teachers to make a decision about their employment but then have continually changed the terms of that employment without opportunity for exiting without penalty. Many teachers felt comfortable with the original district plans back in Summer/Falls and made their decisions based on those plans. But then the plans changed and they are being asked to simply accept without question new metrics and new circumstances, many of which they feel uncomfortable with or downright scared accepting!

So no, teaching isn’t like employment in many other fields.



Boo effing hoo. We are all facing unexpected working conditions in this pandemic than we did before, and we are having to cope without throwing these kids of tantrums. I can’t be nearly as efficient working from home as in the office, but my employer won’t let me work in the office even though they expect me to produce the same amount of work, so I’m working twice as many hours for the same pay. I may be able to give two weeks notice at my job, but that’s pretty meaningless when no one is hiring in my sector and the only alternative is unemployment, especially when I still need to keep a roof over our heads. Stop acting like teachers are the only ones this sucks for.



I guess I missed it...where did PP suggest that teachers are the only ones this sucks for? PP was simply explaining that teachers are hardly privileged in this situation. That's all.


PP was trying to make a case for why teachers have it worse than others. Their situation is just different, not better or worse.

No, they weren't. You just dislike teachers so much that you are reading into what they wrote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are always very long waitlists for in patient psyche treatment. Always. Attributing that to APS distance learning is a misleading leap. But that is consistent with the way open schools now advocates employ data.

+1

Remember this case? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/va-state-sen-creigh-deeds-files-6m-suit-son-suicide-article-1.2486661

It is insincere and scammy.

Peds ER here. We usually can find a temp bed for kids in normal times until one opens up nearby. We are now sending kids about 600 miles away before we find a spot. The bigger issue though is setting kids up with a provider after presenting in crisis. That is almost impossible to find in a timely manner even where the family has the means to pay. Much younger patients are presenting with suicidal ideation than I’ve ever seen.

I teach in a school in the area that is and has been fully open in person. Some of the strongest advocates for opening were nurses and pediatrician parents, who have seen the many harmful effects on the children.

That is heartbreaking.

??? I don't know a single doctor or nurse, pediatrics or otherwise, advocating for schools to open. All the doctors and nurses I know are refusing to send their kids to school in person.

Then you must not know very many. What are they all supposed to do with their kids by the way while they work? I know of multiple nurses/doctors who are sending their kids where schools are open, or, want to send their kids when APS opens.

So...the doctors and nurses you know support opening schools just because they need childcare?

DP. More like because they don’t have any options for ensuring their kids are engaged in schooling and completing work while they parents are at work. Teachers have placed those responsibilities wholly onto parents under the blithe assumption that all parents are at home and can do this part of teachers’ jobs for them.

I'm sure almost all doctors and nurses have the resources to find a babysitter or tutor to make sure kids are engaged in virtual school. Or send to in-person private school.

That's why it's odd that PP is claiming that the doctors and nurses need to send their kids to school for childcare.