covid reported in area clubs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mild respiratory disease that happens every 10-20 years?

When did 200000+ people in US die in the last 2 decades based on one mild respiratory disease in less than half a year?

1. The 200,000 number is highly unreliable both because it's very questionable whether 200,000 people really died from covid, and because we had an exceptionally mild 'flu season last year, and therefore unsurprisingly whatever bug goes around this year results in more deaths than in other years.

2. Population is significantly higher now than previously so the important factor is % of population.

3. We should consider the world, not the US in isolation.

Interesting data points:

1. Only ~10,000 have covid listed as the primary cause of death. The remaining "covid deaths" were recorded by the attending doctor as primarily due to something else. In ~70,000 cases pneumonia was also listed as a contributory cause so covid probably played a large role in some of these - although it's also more than possible that the pneumonia resulted from unnecessary hospitalization as a result of covid hysteria as pneumonia circulates freely in hospitals and kills many patients who otherwise would not have died.

2. A great many of these deaths were the result of putting people on ventilators who should not have been put on ventilators. Estimates vary but this is likely at least 30,000 of the fatalities and could be over 50,000.

3. Many countries had a very mild ILI season last year. Looking at excess deaths over two years reveals a very small number of excess deaths indeed. And those countries who had a normal flu season last year have not seen any significant excess deaths this year.

4. There are many countries where excess deaths from covid are similar to an ordinary 'flu year. Why are countries seeing such dissimilar results? Perhaps it is the different measures adopted - yes that is possible - but it seems far more likely to me to be the way we are counting the statistics. If we counted herpes statistics the way we count covid, we would be claiming that herpes had killed ~2 million people so far this year...

In any event, even accepting the dubious statistics, globally the Asian 'flu (1958) and the Hong Kong 'flu (1968) were both clearly far more serious than this outbreak and 1999-2000 appears to have been very similar.

You must be extremely dizzy from your excessive spinning of facts and figures.

Wow this rationalization is interesting. So you don't think covid causing need for a ventilator and then death is caused by covid??????

No I don't. Early on in the epidemic there was a medical protocol in many states where people were put on ventilators immediately their oxygen dropped below a certain level and 19/20 died. Many doctors and nurses warned that the ventilators were damaging peoples' lungs and killing them - but those messages were ruthlessly censored and the treatment continued for many weeks. Eventually sanity prevailed and people were instead prescribed simple oxygen masks and all of a sudden the survival rate went from 5% to 95%.

The vast majority of people who were prescribed ventilators died, and the vast majority of those would not have died had they not been intubated and had their lungs destroyed by the unnecessary and harmful ventilators.

Estimates vary of the number of unnecessary deaths that were caused by ventilators - but most estimates fall between 20,000 and 50,000.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't be a jerk. You may be willing to take that risk. I may be willing to take that risk but people who are not are not wrong and they are not scaredy cats. Have some respect for others, man.

Not the PP. I agree that people who are not willing to take the risk are not wrong - and there's no need to insult them. But they become wrong at the point where they attempt to forcibly prevent others from living their lives and deciding which risks to take.

No man is an island. You insist on contact soccer, causing six kids to be one infected. Those kids have parents and siblings. Their families go to the grocery and dentist and doctor and work. Our numbers will never come down - so we can, you know, safely fo to school and work - until we stop the spread.

This is the same reason the WH is such a huge problem for DC/Md/va.

[Anonymous]

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dying in a car accident wont have covid listed as cause of death and included in the number. just stop. There were a few that you listed above and they are on record as being corrected- clerical errors that were corrected.

You are factually incorrect. The instructions for doctors were crystal clear that anybody who had tested positive for covid was to have covid listed as a cause of death on their death certificate no matter whether covid had played any role in the death in the doctor's opinion. This did indeed result in a number of cases where covid was listed as a cause of death when it clearly had nothing to do wth the death. Motor accidents were one headline grabbing example - but there wer other cases where people had completely recovered and died of something entirely unrelated several weeks later. This was also true in the UK, although it was not the case in all countries. In the case of the UK it eventually made major headlines and the government was forced to revise the fatality numbers signficiantly downwards.

I am not certain whether the instructions have now been modified in the US and if so, to what degree. But - even if the instructions have changed - no revisions have been made to account for previous errors.

And yes, covid is listed as cause of death when coupled with an underlying condition- there is nothing wrong with that as covid eseentially caused the death.

There is masses wrong with this. For any other disease the doctor writes down the causes of death based on his medical opinion as to what caused the death. That's why you don't see herpes listed on too many death certificates. For some reason this discretion was removed from doctors for the first time in history for covid-19. For covid-19 and only for covid-19 doctors are not allowed to use their own judgment in determining whether to write covid on the death certificate - they must do so if there has been a positive test result even if they do not believe it contributed significantly (or even at all) to the death.

The reason this is worng is that a very large number of people will test positive for covid. As will a very large number test positive for a cold or the 'flu - if we bothered to do millions of test for cold or the 'flu. Given the age of the people dying (most are over 80 - and have an average of three other serious illnesses), a significant number of these people would have died anyway - and covid had little or nothing to do with their deaths. That is why we have - for all of history up until now - allowed doctors to exercise their judgment in telling us what caused the death.

The interesting thing is that doctors are still allowed to list a primary cause of death. And it turns out that in 95% of "covid deaths", covid is NOT listed as the primary cause. What we don't know is for how many of those death certificates, covid would not have been listed at all because the doctor was of the opinion that covid was not a factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't be a jerk. You may be willing to take that risk. I may be willing to take that risk but people who are not are not wrong and they are not scaredy cats. Have some respect for others, man.

Not the PP. I agree that people who are not willing to take the risk are not wrong - and there's no need to insult them. But they become wrong at the point where they attempt to forcibly prevent others from living their lives and deciding which risks to take.

No man is an island. You insist on contact soccer, causing six kids to be one infected. Those kids have parents and siblings. Their families go to the grocery and dentist and doctor and work. Our numbers will never come down - so we can, you know, safely fo to school and work - until we stop the spread.

This is the same reason the WH is such a huge problem for DC/Md/va.

There are more interests at stake than achieving lower numbers and more feasible objectives than the preposterous notion of crushing a global virus. Not going to happen. You do you. If you follow your own rules, you will minimize risk. Don’t try to run my life simply because you do not think any risk is acceptable for you even though it destroys other lives. Soccer isn’t driving numbers. Nor are other sports. In fact, kids should be going to live school, or at least having the option. You are too selfish to give people that opportunity. So yes, In your Vision, you are an island, probably a nice one, and thousands around you are adrift without a preserver. Absolutely ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
dying in a car accident wont have covid listed as cause of death and included in the number. just stop. There were a few that you listed above and they are on record as being corrected- clerical errors that were corrected.

You are factually incorrect. The instructions for doctors were crystal clear that anybody who had tested positive for covid was to have covid listed as a cause of death on their death certificate no matter whether covid had played any role in the death in the doctor's opinion. This did indeed result in a number of cases where covid was listed as a cause of death when it clearly had nothing to do wth the death. Motor accidents were one headline grabbing example - but there wer other cases where people had completely recovered and died of something entirely unrelated several weeks later. This was also true in the UK, although it was not the case in all countries. In the case of the UK it eventually made major headlines and the government was forced to revise the fatality numbers signficiantly downwards.

I am not certain whether the instructions have now been modified in the US and if so, to what degree. But - even if the instructions have changed - no revisions have been made to account for previous errors.

And yes, covid is listed as cause of death when coupled with an underlying condition- there is nothing wrong with that as covid eseentially caused the death.

There is masses wrong with this. For any other disease the doctor writes down the causes of death based on his medical opinion as to what caused the death. That's why you don't see herpes listed on too many death certificates. For some reason this discretion was removed from doctors for the first time in history for covid-19. For covid-19 and only for covid-19 doctors are not allowed to use their own judgment in determining whether to write covid on the death certificate - they must do so if there has been a positive test result even if they do not believe it contributed significantly (or even at all) to the death.

The reason this is worng is that a very large number of people will test positive for covid. As will a very large number test positive for a cold or the 'flu - if we bothered to do millions of test for cold or the 'flu. Given the age of the people dying (most are over 80 - and have an average of three other serious illnesses), a significant number of these people would have died anyway - and covid had little or nothing to do with their deaths. That is why we have - for all of history up until now - allowed doctors to exercise their judgment in telling us what caused the death.

The interesting thing is that doctors are still allowed to list a primary cause of death. And it turns out that in 95% of "covid deaths", covid is NOT listed as the primary cause. What we don't know is for how many of those death certificates, covid would not have been listed at all because the doctor was of the opinion that covid was not a factor.

Stop watching Fox "News" and please rejoin reality.

[Anonymous]

I’m surprised that these players didn’t infect more people (their entire team, the opposition team or the coaches). Hope they all fully recover soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't be a jerk. You may be willing to take that risk. I may be willing to take that risk but people who are not are not wrong and they are not scaredy cats. Have some respect for others, man.

Not the PP. I agree that people who are not willing to take the risk are not wrong - and there's no need to insult them. But they become wrong at the point where they attempt to forcibly prevent others from living their lives and deciding which risks to take.

No man is an island. You insist on contact soccer, causing six kids to be one infected. Those kids have parents and siblings. Their families go to the grocery and dentist and doctor and work. Our numbers will never come down - so we can, you know, safely fo to school and work - until we stop the spread.

This is the same reason the WH is such a huge problem for DC/Md/va.

There are more interests at stake than achieving lower numbers and more feasible objectives than the preposterous notion of crushing a global virus. Not going to happen. You do you. If you follow your own rules, you will minimize risk. Don’t try to run my life simply because you do not think any risk is acceptable for you even though it destroys other lives. Soccer isn’t driving numbers. Nor are other sports. In fact, kids should be going to live school, or at least having the option. You are too selfish to give people that opportunity. So yes, In your Vision, you are an island, probably a nice one, and thousands around you are adrift without a preserver. Absolutely ridiculous.

If your life is “destroyed” because your kid has to work on skills instead of playing contact games for one or two seasons, something is very, very wrong with your life.

[Anonymous]

What team was it? boys? girls? age? A,B,C team? who did they play in the last 2 weeks? All info is important for everyones safety. No need to ridicule them at all. Nobody wants to get sick but it happens. If we can all be aware of the outbreak source the better all of us can contain it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What team was it? boys? girls? age? A,B,C team? who did they play in the last 2 weeks? All info is important for everyones safety. No need to ridicule them at all. Nobody wants to get sick but it happens. If we can all be aware of the outbreak source the better all of us can contain it.

Due to privacy reasons, they are not disclosing this information except for the individuals/teams that were exposed to these players. At this point, we only know it’s Potomac Soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't be a jerk. You may be willing to take that risk. I may be willing to take that risk but people who are not are not wrong and they are not scaredy cats. Have some respect for others, man.

Not the PP. I agree that people who are not willing to take the risk are not wrong - and there's no need to insult them. But they become wrong at the point where they attempt to forcibly prevent others from living their lives and deciding which risks to take.

No man is an island. You insist on contact soccer, causing six kids to be one infected. Those kids have parents and siblings. Their families go to the grocery and dentist and doctor and work. Our numbers will never come down - so we can, you know, safely fo to school and work - until we stop the spread.

This is the same reason the WH is such a huge problem for DC/Md/va.

There are more interests at stake than achieving lower numbers and more feasible objectives than the preposterous notion of crushing a global virus. Not going to happen. You do you. If you follow your own rules, you will minimize risk. Don’t try to run my life simply because you do not think any risk is acceptable for you even though it destroys other lives. Soccer isn’t driving numbers. Nor are other sports. In fact, kids should be going to live school, or at least having the option. You are too selfish to give people that opportunity. So yes, In your Vision, you are an island, probably a nice one, and thousands around you are adrift without a preserver. Absolutely ridiculous.

If your life is “destroyed” because your kid has to work on skills instead of playing contact games for one or two seasons, something is very, very wrong with your life.

+1. Very true.

[Anonymous]

My guess is that any infected kids were also hanging out with each other carpooling or indoors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that these players didn’t infect more people (their entire team, the opposition team or the coaches). Hope they all fully recover soon.

You shouldn’t be, soccer is not very conducive to spreading covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: My guess is that any infected kids were also hanging out with each other carpooling or indoors.

It said upthread they were friends outside of soccer, so likely right.

[Anonymous]

First, soccer parents, pleaser realize your child is playing on or against a team with people like the truly lost PP who thinks the deaths worldwide have not been from Covid.

Second, yes, our pediatrician told us they have had covid cases traced to soccer and baseball.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, soccer parents, pleaser realize your child is playing on or against a team with people like the truly lost PP who thinks the deaths worldwide have not been from Covid.

Second, yes, our pediatrician told us they have had covid cases traced to soccer and baseball.

Our pediatrician said it was safe, even encouraged us. Now, I’m sure there are cases linked to the socializing that happens around sports. For example, the baseball team that plays in a tournament 3 hours away, carpools to the tournament, stays in a hotel and lets the kids hang out together in hotel rooms, etc. But if you take precautions, your child can play soccer with low risks of exposure. That is why the county and state has allowed these activities to resume with precautions in place.