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dying in a car accident wont have covid listed as cause of death and included in the number.  just stop.   There were a few that you listed above and they are on record as being corrected- clerical errors that were corrected. [/quote]

You are factually incorrect.  The instructions for doctors were crystal clear that anybody who had tested positive for covid was to have covid listed as a cause of death on their death certificate no matter whether covid had played any role in the death in the doctor's opinion.  This did indeed result in a number of cases where covid was listed as a cause of death when it clearly had nothing to do wth the death.  Motor accidents were one headline grabbing example - but there wer other cases where people had completely recovered and died of something entirely unrelated several weeks later.  This was also true in the UK, although it was not the case in all countries.  In the case of the UK it eventually made major headlines and the government was forced to revise the fatality numbers signficiantly downwards.

I am not certain whether the instructions have now been modified in the US and if so, to what degree.  But - even if the instructions have changed - no revisions have been made to account for previous errors.

[quote]And yes, covid is listed as cause of death when coupled with an underlying condition- there is nothing wrong with that as covid eseentially caused the death. [/quote]

There is masses wrong with this.  For any other disease the doctor writes down the causes of death based on his medical opinion as to what caused the death.  That's why you don't see herpes listed on too many death certificates.  For some reason this discretion was removed from doctors for the first time in history for covid-19.  For covid-19 and only for covid-19 doctors are not allowed to use their own judgment in determining whether to write covid on the death certificate - they must do so if there has been a positive test result even if they do not believe it contributed significantly (or even at all) to the death.

The reason this is worng is that a very large number of people will test positive for covid.  As will a very large number test positive for a cold or the 'flu - if we bothered to do millions of test for cold or the 'flu.  Given the age of the people dying (most are over 80 - and have an average of three other serious illnesses), a significant number of these people would have died anyway - and covid had little or nothing to do with their deaths.  That is why we have - for all of history up until now - allowed doctors to exercise their judgment in telling us what caused the death.

The interesting thing is that doctors are still allowed to list a primary cause of death.  And it turns out that in 95% of "covid deaths", covid is NOT listed as the primary cause.  What we don't know is for how many of those death certificates, covid would not have been listed at all because the doctor was of the opinion that covid was not a factor.[/quote]

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