How do you handle your kids being around unvaccinated children?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Antivaxxers are trash. If I know, see, or hear about antivaxxers and their kids, I pick up my kid and say “We have to get away from these irresponsible people. They don’t vaccinate.” I’ve done it twice and savored it both times.

You may be a better citizen but you are a trash human being.


-proVax advocate who has never changed a mind with cruelty, isolation or venom.

I don't care about changing minds, I care about my kid not dying from a preventable disease. These people will Darwin themselves out of existence soon enough. In the meanwhile, parents of unvaccinated kids who transmit their diseases to others should be charged with attempted manslaughter.

That would be a catastrophe. Also, there is no such thing as attempted manslaughter. But that opens the door to prosecuting people who pass on the flu, strep, common colds to babies, norovirus, etc....all things that can have as grave or even graver consequences then measles or pertussis.

Vaccination is important. Herd immunity is important. But your POV is completely illogical and produces no results except making you feel superior. Again, congratulations on being a good citizen. But your logic, reasoning, and heart all need A LOT of work.

I thought the same thing but there is. Example: Florida Statute 782.07 prohibits anyone from committing manslaughter which is when a defendant commits, obtains, or is negligently culpable in an act that kills someone. Even if the individual did not kill someone, Florida Statute 777.04 prohibits anyone from attempting manslaughter.

Attempted manslaughter is where there would have been a death meeting the definition of manslaughter but the death was prevented by someone else, including the person who would have otherwise died.

777.04 basically says that any attempt to commit an act which would be a felony in Florida is chargeable as an attempted act of said felony.

There was a Law and Order SVU episode where they tried to charge an anti-vaxxer with the death of an child who had been at a playground where the anti-vaxxers kid (carrying measles) was playing, and the dead kid could not be vaccinated or was too young, I forget which.


As for anti-vaxxers:

Measles, I know, is extremely contagious. An epidemic in Minnesota some years ago was determined to have resulted when an unvaccinated kid participating in a basketball tournament was on the floor and airflow brought the virus to the upper stadium seats, where the first people to contract the illness were seated.

If the event OP was attending included people traveling from an area where there was a known outbreak of a disease for which vaccination is generally required, and those people don't vaccinate, then it would make sense not to attend. Or if those attendees were traveling by a mass transit means (plane, bus, train).

Fanning the flames of outrage probably does not help at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

Seriously. There are going to be kids at your school who are not vaccinated. Some for medical reasons some because their parents opted out. You have no clue who those kids are. Do you go to religious services? Are your kids in extra curricular activities?

We vaccinated our son and have all of our vaccinations. But I am not going to pretend that my kid is not going to come into contact with people who have not been vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

Seriously. There are going to be kids at your school who are not vaccinated. Some for medical reasons some because their parents opted out. You have no clue who those kids are. Do you go to religious services? Are your kids in extra curricular activities?

We vaccinated our son and have all of our vaccinations. But I am not going to pretend that my kid is not going to come into contact with people who have not been vaccinated.

I hear you and totally get what you're saying - but what about when you KNOW that your kid is in close contact with unvaccinated kids (during a measles outbreak)? That is what this OP is asking about. She has a family event bringing her baby in close contact to unvaccinated kids and she knows it - so what does she do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

Look, you’re an asshole with a deep thirst for drama. Yes, you are. You don’t give succor to intellectually dishonest arguments when outbreaks are on the rise, and where no one, but no one ya dopey bitch, has argued that legitimate medical exemptions should be disregarded.

Now go wank on about nuance, taint. I’ll think about my uncle with polio, and the experience of trying to keep my ill child safe when she required hospitalization and multiple ped visits during a very bad flu and pertussis and season, when she could not yet get her shots. You’re garbage. Kiss off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

Look, you’re an asshole with a deep thirst for drama. Yes, you are. You don’t give succor to intellectually dishonest arguments when outbreaks are on the rise, and where no one, but no one ya dopey bitch, has argued that legitimate medical exemptions should be disregarded.

Now go wank on about nuance, taint. I’ll think about my uncle with polio, and the experience of trying to keep my ill child safe when she required hospitalization and multiple ped visits during a very bad flu and pertussis and season, when she could not yet get her shots. You’re garbage. Kiss off.

PP, you sound unhinged. The truth of the matter is, whether you like it or not, there are unvax'd kids whom you have no idea about. I had no idea that one of my kids' classmates was not vax'd until I saw the parents' car bearing anti-vax bumper stickers. I would never have known had I not seen the car as we aren't friends with that family. Why do you call someone a dopey bitch and garbage because they point out that there are the unvax'd walking amongst us in relatively anonymity?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

Seriously. There are going to be kids at your school who are not vaccinated. Some for medical reasons some because their parents opted out. You have no clue who those kids are. Do you go to religious services? Are your kids in extra curricular activities?

We vaccinated our son and have all of our vaccinations. But I am not going to pretend that my kid is not going to come into contact with people who have not been vaccinated.

I hear you and totally get what you're saying - but what about when you KNOW that your kid is in close contact with unvaccinated kids (during a measles outbreak)? That is what this OP is asking about. She has a family event bringing her baby in close contact to unvaccinated kids and she knows it - so what does she do?

If my kid was vaccinated, I would attend. If my kid was not vaccinated and it was in an area with an out break, I wouldn’t attend.

Yes, there are measel outbreaks right now but they are in very specific areas. They have been well advertised. So if my family was from one of those areas or had travelled to one of those areas, I would avoid them. But if they hadn’t, then I would be fine with being around them.

But you can’t ask where everyone on a plane has been before you get on. You can’t check where everyone in your office space, school, or metro has been. It is a risk that we live with. You can choose to not take a fully vaccinated child out in public for safety purposes or you can make an informed choice and accept the small degree of risk.

[Anonymous]

When you know your kid is at risk due to immune issues, you don't get on a plane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

Look, you’re an asshole with a deep thirst for drama. Yes, you are. You don’t give succor to intellectually dishonest arguments when outbreaks are on the rise, and where no one, but no one ya dopey bitch, has argued that legitimate medical exemptions should be disregarded.

Now go wank on about nuance, taint. I’ll think about my uncle with polio, and the experience of trying to keep my ill child safe when she required hospitalization and multiple ped visits during a very bad flu and pertussis and season, when she could not yet get her shots. You’re garbage. Kiss off.

PP, you sound unhinged. The truth of the matter is, whether you like it or not, there are unvax'd kids whom you have no idea about. I had no idea that one of my kids' classmates was not vax'd until I saw the parents' car bearing anti-vax bumper stickers. I would never have known had I not seen the car as we aren't friends with that family. Why do you call someone a dopey bitch and garbage because they point out that there are the unvax'd walking amongst us in relatively anonymity?

Cram it. No one argued that we know who does and doesn’t follow the schedule via some kind of second sight. You’re so tiresome and stupid. None of this addresses OP anyway.

[Anonymous]

My kid is vaccinated so I don't care if we're around those who aren't. Now, if I had an infant, I'd probably stay far, far away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

Look, you’re an asshole with a deep thirst for drama. Yes, you are. You don’t give succor to intellectually dishonest arguments when outbreaks are on the rise, and where no one, but no one ya dopey bitch, has argued that legitimate medical exemptions should be disregarded.

Now go wank on about nuance, taint. I’ll think about my uncle with polio, and the experience of trying to keep my ill child safe when she required hospitalization and multiple ped visits during a very bad flu and pertussis and season, when she could not yet get her shots. You’re garbage. Kiss off.

PP, you sound unhinged. The truth of the matter is, whether you like it or not, there are unvax'd kids whom you have no idea about. I had no idea that one of my kids' classmates was not vax'd until I saw the parents' car bearing anti-vax bumper stickers. I would never have known had I not seen the car as we aren't friends with that family. Why do you call someone a dopey bitch and garbage because they point out that there are the unvax'd walking amongst us in relatively anonymity?

Cram it. No one argued that we know who does and doesn’t follow the schedule via some kind of second sight. You’re so tiresome and stupid. None of this addresses OP anyway.

I was a different poster, so there are at least two of us with fully vaccinated children who think you are a bit off. And YOU are not addressing OP either. Wishing you a more peaceful evening than I suspect you’re having.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

This is the answer. If your kid is immune, it is not a health issue for you. My kid happens to not be immune to one disease in spite of the vaccination, so we have concerns, and it is a case by case situation we have to revisit every so often. So far, we choose our schools carefully, explain the situation to every teacher so they can alert us if a kid in class has symptoms, and traveling to low vax rate countries is out. We had one teacher who was the (unhappy) unvaccinated child of antivaxers and so that was a problem. She viewed it as a shared problem, we viewed her as a problem for our child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Agree. People worry about other people too much.

[Anonymous]

I'm much more concerned about influenza than measles. The definition of "anti-vaxers" varies I guess.

Tens of thousands of people DIE from the flu.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

God some of you are just unbearable. not only are my kids vaccinated but I am an adult who just recently did all of her boosters.

and I completely agree with the other poster. This is a moot point. You are surrounded daily by kids who aren't vaccinated for a variety of reasons. And you probably don't know it. I'm not sure why you would attack what is a truthful statement.

You cannot control everything. You cannot control other people, even when they're making bad decisions. perhaps it's what fuel some of your anger and iillogical reasoning but man, you're not funny or clever.. just irrational, rude, and unduly dismissive.

Look, you’re an asshole with a deep thirst for drama. Yes, you are. You don’t give succor to intellectually dishonest arguments when outbreaks are on the rise, and where no one, but no one ya dopey bitch, has argued that legitimate medical exemptions should be disregarded.

Now go wank on about nuance, taint. I’ll think about my uncle with polio, and the experience of trying to keep my ill child safe when she required hospitalization and multiple ped visits during a very bad flu and pertussis and season, when she could not yet get her shots. You’re garbage. Kiss off.

PP, you sound unhinged. The truth of the matter is, whether you like it or not, there are unvax'd kids whom you have no idea about. I had no idea that one of my kids' classmates was not vax'd until I saw the parents' car bearing anti-vax bumper stickers. I would never have known had I not seen the car as we aren't friends with that family. Why do you call someone a dopey bitch and garbage because they point out that there are the unvax'd walking amongst us in relatively anonymity?

Cram it. No one argued that we know who does and doesn’t follow the schedule via some kind of second sight. You’re so tiresome and stupid. None of this addresses OP anyway.

I was a different poster, so there are at least two of us with fully vaccinated children who think you are a bit off. And YOU are not addressing OP either. Wishing you a more peaceful evening than I suspect you’re having.

Sanctimonious snatch. I don’t care about you, bim. Others, like me but demonstrably not like you, have addressed what OP is driving at - whether and how one chooses to socialize with those who are known and open about being against vaccination. All this smarmy bullshit about not being able
to control everything a child interacts with is just that, smarmy and off-topic bullshit.

The idea that you can reach someone with the antivax stance because you are so mellow and can hash it out over a chai latte is incredibly unrealistic. Peds often decide it’s preferable to lose anti vaccination families rather than try and get into a faux battle of the experts and convince them that their training is superior to a blog entry. I have two pediatrician friends who will not work with families without medically necessary exemptions because of the fruitlessness of counterin their unreason with reason.