How are kids supposed to address professors? Dr., Professor, first name? Daughter got rude reaction

[Anonymous]

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Another professor here. I go over email etiquette the first day of class and it is in the syllabus. An initial email must include a greeting, proper grammar and formatting, and a professional sign-off. If we end up emailing "in real-time," the format can become more casual. If I don't get an initial email in the proper format, I respond back saying please use the proper format. Part of our job is preparing students for the professional world.

I also state that I will not answer any content questions that take more than a one-sentence response over email. Come to class, my office hours, or catch up with a classmate.
You wouldn't email your supervisor at work for a detailed recap of a meeting that you missed. You would find them in person or ask a co-worker.

In the US, the default is Professor. Dr. only if the student is sure the person is a PhD or MD. TAs are generally called by their first name.

Thanks for pissing away families' tuition money getting your email demands out of the way. My Lord, you sound like an egotistical hack.

Doesn’t matter. If you are in his class, you play by his rules. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

-np

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Calling by first name is just so rude.

Parents pay upwards of $70,000 a year and you want our kids to walk on eggshells and bow down like plebs to liberal arts hacks? Alter your freaking narcotic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your daughter is now in the world of academia. This is how academia works: You err on the side of respect until you are invited into a more informal relationship.

Don't like it? You don't have to stay in academia.

I have a master's degree and have worked as an administrative staff member at four universities and a law school. This is how academia is. Now you know, too.

What exactly is disrespectful about using someone's first name?

If they are your professor, and haven't invited you to, it just is.

That's the way it is because that's the way it's always been done!
Modern America isn't with that formal, bowing down crap.
Everything is casual now. Clothing, speech, titles.
Get with the times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, OP, now you see the downside of you teaching your children to call your adult friends and neighbors by their first names, with no "Ms." or "Mr." or anything.

Sorry! But actually, from your continued attitude, I'm glad. You and your rude daughter will not get the extra-mile opportunities and second chances and thoughtfulness that comes from a relationship with a faculty member based on respect. My children will be reaping those rewards.

I just asked my 10 year old to pretend she’s 20 and in college. I said your professor is a woman, Mary Smith. You’ve heard someone call her Mary. You have to speak to her for the first time what do you say? (I’m commenting here because she calls most neighbors/family friends by their first names) she said I think I’d call her Ms Smith unless college teachers are called something besides Ms.

So yeah OP you and your daughter are in the wrong

Prompting the witness with leading questions. Super scientific! Let me guess, state school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Calling by first name is just so rude.

It's literally their name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Calling by first name is just so rude.

Parents pay upwards of $70,000 a year and you want our kids to walk on eggshells and bow down like plebs to liberal arts hacks? Alter your freaking narcotic.

It’s showing proper respect jacka$$. You must think money buys everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your daughter is now in the world of academia. This is how academia works: You err on the side of respect until you are invited into a more informal relationship.

Don't like it? You don't have to stay in academia.

I have a master's degree and have worked as an administrative staff member at four universities and a law school. This is how academia is. Now you know, too.

What exactly is disrespectful about using someone's first name?

If they are your professor, and haven't invited you to, it just is.

+1 Do your kids call their grandparents by their first names? Do they call you by your first name? Do they call their doctors or teachers by their first names?

So why would you presume that their university professors are somehow less worthy of respect, or that your child is somehow the peer of a university professor?

I want to know where OP went to college that this is all coming as a surprise to her.

High school students are minors and "high school" sort of infers public school, which is free.

At boarding school, which costs lots of money, ergo you're a paying customer, most teachers like first name basis.

At college, students are 1) paying customers and 2) legal adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Calling by first name is just so rude.

Parents pay upwards of $70,000 a year and you want our kids to walk on eggshells and bow down like plebs to liberal arts hacks? Alter your freaking narcotic.

It’s showing proper respect jacka$$. You must think money buys everything.

It's literally their name. It's batsh*t insane any civilian would be triggered by...their name. This isn't Baghdad, it's not a plebe talking to a Marine General.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your daughter is now in the world of academia. This is how academia works: You err on the side of respect until you are invited into a more informal relationship.

Don't like it? You don't have to stay in academia.

I have a master's degree and have worked as an administrative staff member at four universities and a law school. This is how academia is. Now you know, too.

What exactly is disrespectful about using someone's first name?

If they are your professor, and haven't invited you to, it just is.

+1 Do your kids call their grandparents by their first names? Do they call you by your first name? Do they call their doctors or teachers by their first names?

So why would you presume that their university professors are somehow less worthy of respect, or that your child is somehow the peer of a university professor?

I want to know where OP went to college that this is all coming as a surprise to her.

High school students are minors and "high school" sort of infers public school, which is free.

At boarding school, which costs lots of money, ergo you're a paying customer, most teachers like first name basis.

At college, students are 1) paying customers and 2) legal adults.

No wonder kids are all f-ed up. They are raised by f-ed up parents like this one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Your daughter is now in the world of academia. This is how academia works: You err on the side of respect until you are invited into a more informal relationship.

Don't like it? You don't have to stay in academia.

I have a master's degree and have worked as an administrative staff member at four universities and a law school. This is how academia is. Now you know, too.

What exactly is disrespectful about using someone's first name?

If they are your professor, and haven't invited you to, it just is.

+1 Do your kids call their grandparents by their first names? Do they call you by your first name? Do they call their doctors or teachers by their first names?

So why would you presume that their university professors are somehow less worthy of respect, or that your child is somehow the peer of a university professor?

I want to know where OP went to college that this is all coming as a surprise to her.

High school students are minors and "high school" sort of infers public school, which is free.

At boarding school, which costs lots of money, ergo you're a paying customer, most teachers like first name basis.

At college, students are 1) paying customers and 2) legal adults.

No wonder kids are all f-ed up. They are raised by f-ed up parents like this one.

The cost and the fact students are now adults makes no difference to you?
What a good little bootlicker you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Calling by first name is just so rude.

Parents pay upwards of $70,000 a year and you want our kids to walk on eggshells and bow down like plebs to liberal arts hacks? Alter your freaking narcotic.

It’s showing proper respect jacka$$. You must think money buys everything.

It's literally their name. It's batsh*t insane any civilian would be triggered by...their name. This isn't Baghdad, it's not a plebe talking to a Marine General.

If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. Let’s just say you don’t get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Spouse of a STEM professor here. Your DD should call any professor "Professor [surname]" unless invited to do otherwise, which probably won't happen until your DD gets a doctorate.

It's just good manners. Did your DD call her second grade teacher by his or her first name? Does your DD call you by your first name instead of mom? Probably not. Same idea.

In 2nd grade you're all of year 7.
In college you're a year 18+ legal adult and paying customer.

[Anonymous]

How is calling someone who went to school for seven years to teach high level materials Dr. instead of Suzy "bowing down" and "boot licking."

I can only imagine how those posters treat anyone who is actually unlucky enough to be their employee.

I did not understand that once someone accepts a salary, they have sold their right to be treated with respect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Always “Dr. xxx”

+1. Like a good little Ivory Tower bootlicker. Nevermind that OP's daughter's "professors" are likely part-time adjunct, grad students or soft science or liberal arts PhD pissants.

Why even send your precious snowflake to college if you have so little respect for the educators there???

[Anonymous]

Students should address professors/instructors in the way they (the professor/instructor) prefers to be addressed.