Discussion over whether to expand Tyler dual-lang program turns to gentrification debate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many posters on here are dismissing rational and deep concerns that the parents in the arts program are expressing. What you aren't hearing is that they value a more structured, English-proficiency based education for specific reasons. These are a different set of values and equally worthy. I'm cringing at the "white-splaining" going on here. Just for the record, I'm high-SES, married, educated and still find the inability of the DL proponents here tone-deaf.

+1 cringeworthy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posters on here are dismissing rational and deep concerns that the parents in the arts program are expressing. What you aren't hearing is that they value a more structured, English-proficiency based education for specific reasons. These are a different set of values and equally worthy. I'm cringing at the "white-splaining" going on here. Just for the record, I'm high-SES, married, educated and still find the inability of the DL proponents here tone-deaf.

+1 cringeworthy

agreed. you can want dual language without calling the people who don't want it dumb.
I don't think it's a coincidence that there are a ton of people calling out an African American single mom for not wanting her only guaranteed option to be immersion.
Plenty of rich white folk choose CMI or IT or 2R over Tyler or Houston DL and nobody's calling them out on that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many posters on here are dismissing rational and deep concerns that the parents in the arts program are expressing. What you aren't hearing is that they value a more structured, English-proficiency based education for specific reasons. These are a different set of values and equally worthy. I'm cringing at the "white-splaining" going on here. Just for the record, I'm high-SES, married, educated and still find the inability of the DL proponents here tone-deaf.

No. We are calling out her racism: “Norde, who is African American and a native Washingtonian, tied the increasing popularity of dual-language programs to the city becoming more white and Hispanic...”

White and Hispanic people like it, and that’s why it’s bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posters on here are dismissing rational and deep concerns that the parents in the arts program are expressing. What you aren't hearing is that they value a more structured, English-proficiency based education for specific reasons. These are a different set of values and equally worthy. I'm cringing at the "white-splaining" going on here. Just for the record, I'm high-SES, married, educated and still find the inability of the DL proponents here tone-deaf.

No. We are calling out her racism: “Norde, who is African American and a native Washingtonian, tied the increasing popularity of dual-language programs to the city becoming more white and Hispanic...”

White and Hispanic people like it, and that’s why it’s bad.

A different black mom in the article:

“You are trying to push out the minority,” said Kristin Pugh, a single African American mother of a 4-year-old at Tyler. “But if that’s what you want to do, do it. It’s happening all over the city,” she said.

It’s the same tired story. I don’t want more white and Hispanic people in the city, so don’t do things that attract them, like dual language and gifted programs.

[Anonymous]

Brent parents will crap themselves if their kids have to go to school with the Potomac gardens kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posters on here are dismissing rational and deep concerns that the parents in the arts program are expressing. What you aren't hearing is that they value a more structured, English-proficiency based education for specific reasons. These are a different set of values and equally worthy. I'm cringing at the "white-splaining" going on here. Just for the record, I'm high-SES, married, educated and still find the inability of the DL proponents here tone-deaf.

+1 cringeworthy

agreed. you can want dual language without calling the people who don't want it dumb.
I don't think it's a coincidence that there are a ton of people calling out an African American single mom for not wanting her only guaranteed option to be immersion.
Plenty of rich white folk choose CMI or IT or 2R over Tyler or Houston DL and nobody's calling them out on that.

Note that the one PP who most explicitly did that identified as non-white. I guess she thinks that gives her license to be condescending. Don’t pin the nastiness on white people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One challenge with immersion is that it's hard for kids to join in when they move in later grades, and poorer kids in DC tend to move more. What do you do when a 4th grader moves IB for a dual-language school or when the charter they've been in counsels them out mid-year?

I think Tyler should go dual-language and Brent should be monolingual (or vice versa), and students in both boundaries should be able to rank their preferences for each. You'd be guaranteed a seat in one of them and there'd be sibling preference to keep families together. Then there would be lots more dual language slots and everyone would still have a monolingual alternative if they wanted it, and both schools would have more racial and economic diversity.

Isn't there a traditional school that kids are automatically in bounds for? I think that's the way it works at Oyster.

Idea: Tyler becomes all Spanish-immersion, and parents who opt out of that (or move too late) are routed to Brent.

I'd be fine with that. Since Tyler is bigger, though, it might make more sense for Brent to be Spanish immersion and parents who opt out can go to Tyler. Current kids in Tyler's Spanish program would have the right to transfer, and Tyler IB families could get a preference for Spanish at Brent. Brent would need a bilingual principal though...maybe their current principal could go to New Tyler, but she seems better suited to schools with very little economic diversity.

Powell parent here, our principal is monolingual. The AP however is bilingual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posters on here are dismissing rational and deep concerns that the parents in the arts program are expressing. What you aren't hearing is that they value a more structured, English-proficiency based education for specific reasons. These are a different set of values and equally worthy. I'm cringing at the "white-splaining" going on here. Just for the record, I'm high-SES, married, educated and still find the inability of the DL proponents here tone-deaf.

No. We are calling out her racism: “Norde, who is African American and a native Washingtonian, tied the increasing popularity of dual-language programs to the city becoming more white and Hispanic...”

White and Hispanic people like it, and that’s why it’s bad.

A different black mom in the article:

“You are trying to push out the minority,” said Kristin Pugh, a single African American mother of a 4-year-old at Tyler. “But if that’s what you want to do, do it. It’s happening all over the city,” she said.

It’s the same tired story. I don’t want more white and Hispanic people in the city, so don’t do things that attract them, like dual language and gifted programs.

go away. I doubt you are a DCPS parent at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One challenge with immersion is that it's hard for kids to join in when they move in later grades, and poorer kids in DC tend to move more. What do you do when a 4th grader moves IB for a dual-language school or when the charter they've been in counsels them out mid-year?

I think Tyler should go dual-language and Brent should be monolingual (or vice versa), and students in both boundaries should be able to rank their preferences for each. You'd be guaranteed a seat in one of them and there'd be sibling preference to keep families together. Then there would be lots more dual language slots and everyone would still have a monolingual alternative if they wanted it, and both schools would have more racial and economic diversity.

Isn't there a traditional school that kids are automatically in bounds for? I think that's the way it works at Oyster.

Idea: Tyler becomes all Spanish-immersion, and parents who opt out of that (or move too late) are routed to Brent.

I'd be fine with that. Since Tyler is bigger, though, it might make more sense for Brent to be Spanish immersion and parents who opt out can go to Tyler. Current kids in Tyler's Spanish program would have the right to transfer, and Tyler IB families could get a preference for Spanish at Brent. Brent would need a bilingual principal though...maybe their current principal could go to New Tyler, but she seems better suited to schools with very little economic diversity.

Powell parent here, our principal is monolingual. The AP however is bilingual.

so the principal who has a key role in evaluating teacher effectiveness can't even speak the language of instruction? yikes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. My children are at an immersion charter. All students, from all backgrounds, of all races, are doing better than the kids at Tyler.

That mother quoted in the article doesn’t know anything about immersion. She’s just using that as an excuse to try to keep Tyler from becoming whiter, which is racist.

Saying that black kids couldn’t handle immersion is ALSO racist.

DCPS should do what it can to keep students of all races in the DCPS system. They’re hemorrhaging students to charters right now, especially on the Hill.

How come there are no private dual-lingual schools, it is a fad folks and you are falling for it. Happy for my kids to learn a language but prefer STEM or other focus than dual-language.

[Anonymous]

It may not be for you, but in confident my kids can excel in Mary and science while learning more than English. Much of the works functions this way and some of us here want to as well.

[Anonymous]

Math not Mary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brent parents will crap themselves if their kids have to go to school with the Potomac gardens kids.

Many of the kids from Potomac Gardens attend charter schools. Hence Tyler being 75% OOB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posters on here are dismissing rational and deep concerns that the parents in the arts program are expressing. What you aren't hearing is that they value a more structured, English-proficiency based education for specific reasons. These are a different set of values and equally worthy. I'm cringing at the "white-splaining" going on here. Just for the record, I'm high-SES, married, educated and still find the inability of the DL proponents here tone-deaf.

No. We are calling out her racism: “Norde, who is African American and a native Washingtonian, tied the increasing popularity of dual-language programs to the city becoming more white and Hispanic...”

White and Hispanic people like it, and that’s why it’s bad.

You clearly have no f*cking clue what racism is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brent parents will crap themselves if their kids have to go to school with the Potomac gardens kids.

Many of the kids from Potomac Gardens attend charter schools. Hence Tyler being 75% OOB.

Where do you think the 25% IB kids are coming from? It’s the gardens. And you can’t argue that Brent’s parents wouldn’t crap themselves about sending their kids to school with those kids. It’s just a fact.