Discussion over whether to expand Tyler dual-lang program turns to gentrification debate

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Anonymous wrote:One challenge with immersion is that it's hard for kids to join in when they move in later grades, and poorer kids in DC tend to move more. What do you do when a 4th grader moves IB for a dual-language school or when the charter they've been in counsels them out mid-year?

I think Tyler should go dual-language and Brent should be monolingual (or vice versa), and students in both boundaries should be able to rank their preferences for each. You'd be guaranteed a seat in one of them and there'd be sibling preference to keep families together. Then there would be lots more dual language slots and everyone would still have a monolingual alternative if they wanted it, and both schools would have more racial and economic diversity.

Hate this idea. YOu don't seem to know that Brent is bursting at the seams. Seen the new trailers on the small playground?

No room at Brent for most IB parent who want PreS3 and PreK4 let alone IB Tyler families who'd reject Spanish!

Then make Brent dual language and Tyler monolingual. It's the same number of IB kids in the combined boundary either way.

And where will you put the OOB Spanish-dominant students? that would have to go at Brent? The Brent families would all have to have IB rights to their neighborhood school. That's why these programs all begin in under=enrolled buildings.

The Tyler and Brent boundaries would have two IB schools: Brent and Tyler. You'd have a right to attend one of those schools, and a right to express a preference as to which one you got, but you could get either of them. If the combined boundary for the two schools can't handle the number of kids then it's time to shift the boundary, sending more kids to the Cluster or Payne.

I don't think DCPS is going to implement a choice-set in just two elementary schools. Try again.

I agree. Each dual-language DCPS that doesn't have a monolingual track should have a choice-set, ideally with a desirable monolingual school. If Tyler goes 100% dual-language, Brent should be Tyler's.

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Another perspective on the three most important second languages for kids to learn to be most successful (in Britain)-German, French and Mandarin. I wish DCPS or a charter school offered german.

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Another perspective on the three most important second languages for kids to learn to be most successful (in Britain)-German, French and Mandarin. I wish DCPS or a charter school offered german.

At best, German is the 11th most spoken language worldwide. There are many other languages that would be more opportunistic for the DC population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

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Another perspective on the three most important second languages for kids to learn to be most successful (in Britain)-German, French and Mandarin. I wish DCPS or a charter school offered german.

Grüne Bohnen PCS!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One challenge with immersion is that it's hard for kids to join in when they move in later grades, and poorer kids in DC tend to move more. What do you do when a 4th grader moves IB for a dual-language school or when the charter they've been in counsels them out mid-year?

I think Tyler should go dual-language and Brent should be monolingual (or vice versa), and students in both boundaries should be able to rank their preferences for each. You'd be guaranteed a seat in one of them and there'd be sibling preference to keep families together. Then there would be lots more dual language slots and everyone would still have a monolingual alternative if they wanted it, and both schools would have more racial and economic diversity.

Hate this idea. YOu don't seem to know that Brent is bursting at the seams. Seen the new trailers on the small playground?

No room at Brent for most IB parent who want PreS3 and PreK4 let alone IB Tyler families who'd reject Spanish!

Then I suggest you get in touch with your Hill neighbors at Tyler to discuss what they're doing. Naming Brent as the Tyler English-only path makes a lot of sense. They could just get rid of Brent PK altogether.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One challenge with immersion is that it's hard for kids to join in when they move in later grades, and poorer kids in DC tend to move more. What do you do when a 4th grader moves IB for a dual-language school or when the charter they've been in counsels them out mid-year?

I think Tyler should go dual-language and Brent should be monolingual (or vice versa), and students in both boundaries should be able to rank their preferences for each. You'd be guaranteed a seat in one of them and there'd be sibling preference to keep families together. Then there would be lots more dual language slots and everyone would still have a monolingual alternative if they wanted it, and both schools would have more racial and economic diversity.

Hate this idea. YOu don't seem to know that Brent is bursting at the seams. Seen the new trailers on the small playground?

No room at Brent for most IB parent who want PreS3 and PreK4 let alone IB Tyler families who'd reject Spanish!

Then make Brent dual language and Tyler monolingual. It's the same number of IB kids in the combined boundary either way.

Come on, every Hill parent knows that Tyler has subsidized housing its catchment and Brent does not - Brent would never want to combine boundaries. That’s why people buy in the Brent district.

Huh, why should what Brent parents want matter more than what Tyler parents want?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One challenge with immersion is that it's hard for kids to join in when they move in later grades, and poorer kids in DC tend to move more. What do you do when a 4th grader moves IB for a dual-language school or when the charter they've been in counsels them out mid-year?

I think Tyler should go dual-language and Brent should be monolingual (or vice versa), and students in both boundaries should be able to rank their preferences for each. You'd be guaranteed a seat in one of them and there'd be sibling preference to keep families together. Then there would be lots more dual language slots and everyone would still have a monolingual alternative if they wanted it, and both schools would have more racial and economic diversity.

Hate this idea. YOu don't seem to know that Brent is bursting at the seams. Seen the new trailers on the small playground?

No room at Brent for most IB parent who want PreS3 and PreK4 let alone IB Tyler families who'd reject Spanish!

Then make Brent dual language and Tyler monolingual. It's the same number of IB kids in the combined boundary either way.

And where will you put the OOB Spanish-dominant students? that would have to go at Brent? The Brent families would all have to have IB rights to their neighborhood school. That's why these programs all begin in under=enrolled buildings.

The Tyler and Brent boundaries would have two IB schools: Brent and Tyler. You'd have a right to attend one of those schools, and a right to express a preference as to which one you got, but you could get either of them. If the combined boundary for the two schools can't handle the number of kids then it's time to shift the boundary, sending more kids to the Cluster or Payne.

I don't think DCPS is going to implement a choice-set in just two elementary schools. Try again.

The choice set for dual language schools makes a lot of sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One challenge with immersion is that it's hard for kids to join in when they move in later grades, and poorer kids in DC tend to move more. What do you do when a 4th grader moves IB for a dual-language school or when the charter they've been in counsels them out mid-year?

I think Tyler should go dual-language and Brent should be monolingual (or vice versa), and students in both boundaries should be able to rank their preferences for each. You'd be guaranteed a seat in one of them and there'd be sibling preference to keep families together. Then there would be lots more dual language slots and everyone would still have a monolingual alternative if they wanted it, and both schools would have more racial and economic diversity.

Hate this idea. YOu don't seem to know that Brent is bursting at the seams. Seen the new trailers on the small playground?

No room at Brent for most IB parent who want PreS3 and PreK4 let alone IB Tyler families who'd reject Spanish!

Then make Brent dual language and Tyler monolingual. It's the same number of IB kids in the combined boundary either way.

And where will you put the OOB Spanish-dominant students? that would have to go at Brent? The Brent families would all have to have IB rights to their neighborhood school. That's why these programs all begin in under=enrolled buildings.

The Tyler and Brent boundaries would have two IB schools: Brent and Tyler. You'd have a right to attend one of those schools, and a right to express a preference as to which one you got, but you could get either of them. If the combined boundary for the two schools can't handle the number of kids then it's time to shift the boundary, sending more kids to the Cluster or Payne.

I don't think DCPS is going to implement a choice-set in just two elementary schools. Try again.

The choice set for dual language schools makes a lot of sense.

Making all dual-language schools city-wide programs, like Montessori and SWS, makes even more sense.

[Anonymous]

^^ but adding yet another city-wide school to Ward 6 does NOT make sense!

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Anonymous wrote:^^ but adding yet another city-wide school to Ward 6 does NOT make sense!

Agree. Put one in Ward 7 and another in Ward 8.

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Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. My children are at an immersion charter. All students, from all backgrounds, of all races, are doing better than the kids at Tyler.

That mother quoted in the article doesn’t know anything about immersion. She’s just using that as an excuse to try to keep Tyler from becoming whiter, which is racist.

Saying that black kids couldn’t handle immersion is ALSO racist.

DCPS should do what it can to keep students of all races in the DCPS system. They’re hemorrhaging students to charters right now, especially on the Hill.

Give me a break. That mother is rightfully concerned about a radical change to a school. It doesn't matter what the "research shows." I wouldn't want my school to become an immersion school either. I would also be VERY concerned about a change like this that effectively meant the English-speaking staff all had to leave the school summarily.

You’re showing your ignorance of dual language immersion. The children are taught in BOTH languages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. My children are at an immersion charter. All students, from all backgrounds, of all races, are doing better than the kids at Tyler.

That mother quoted in the article doesn’t know anything about immersion. She’s just using that as an excuse to try to keep Tyler from becoming whiter, which is racist.

Saying that black kids couldn’t handle immersion is ALSO racist.

DCPS should do what it can to keep students of all races in the DCPS system. They’re hemorrhaging students to charters right now, especially on the Hill.

Give me a break. That mother is rightfully concerned about a radical change to a school. It doesn't matter what the "research shows." I wouldn't want my school to become an immersion school either. I would also be VERY concerned about a change like this that effectively meant the English-speaking staff all had to leave the school summarily.

You’re showing your ignorance of dual language immersion. The children are taught in BOTH languages.

Ok - so only HALF of the staff would have to leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. My children are at an immersion charter. All students, from all backgrounds, of all races, are doing better than the kids at Tyler.

That mother quoted in the article doesn’t know anything about immersion. She’s just using that as an excuse to try to keep Tyler from becoming whiter, which is racist.

Saying that black kids couldn’t handle immersion is ALSO racist.

DCPS should do what it can to keep students of all races in the DCPS system. They’re hemorrhaging students to charters right now, especially on the Hill.

That's because your charter only takes kids whose parents or guardians have it together enough to enter a lottery 6+ months before the school year starts and trek their kids across town to school each day. Your charter also doesn't have to take kids who move to the area mid-year, get kicked out of other schools, or who are in certain grades.

Tyler has to take everyone who lives in-bounds even if they come 3 days before the PARCC. If your school had to do that, how do you think the scores would change?

Nice try. Tyler is 75% OOB. Those parents know how to use the school lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. My children are at an immersion charter. All students, from all backgrounds, of all races, are doing better than the kids at Tyler.

That mother quoted in the article doesn’t know anything about immersion. She’s just using that as an excuse to try to keep Tyler from becoming whiter, which is racist.

Saying that black kids couldn’t handle immersion is ALSO racist.

DCPS should do what it can to keep students of all races in the DCPS system. They’re hemorrhaging students to charters right now, especially on the Hill.

Give me a break. That mother is rightfully concerned about a radical change to a school. It doesn't matter what the "research shows." I wouldn't want my school to become an immersion school either. I would also be VERY concerned about a change like this that effectively meant the English-speaking staff all had to leave the school summarily.

You’re showing your ignorance of dual language immersion. The children are taught in BOTH languages.

Ok - so only HALF of the staff would have to leave.

Lady, this is Tyler. They already have a spanish immersion program!!!

You are being histrionic.

[Anonymous]

So many posters on here are dismissing rational and deep concerns that the parents in the arts program are expressing. What you aren't hearing is that they value a more structured, English-proficiency based education for specific reasons. These are a different set of values and equally worthy. I'm cringing at the "white-splaining" going on here. Just for the record, I'm high-SES, married, educated and still find the inability of the DL proponents here tone-deaf.