How can anyone believe in god when there's so much evil in the world?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Atheists are people who don't believe in art.

They are people who claim to not to believe in God but desperately seek every opportunity to talk about and debate about Him.

There are people who believe in god who feel a need to defend their beliefs

Nope. It's the atheists on this board desperately injecting themselves into every single thread. It screams of spirit deprivation.

So you think people who don't believe should just shut up and let you have the internet to yourself?

Are opinions that differ from your beliefs are that upsetting and threatening to you? I assure you that you will find very few atheists who are offended by your beliefs and think you should not post them. Most are happy to engage and respond because of the confidence in their position.

Nope. You could never change the mind on a believer. Coming here and stating that you don't believe or ridiculing believers is really not upsetting to any believers, most don't care. I just know that if I am 100% certain of something I don't have a deep spiritual need to constantly push a discussion about it. Atheists display that need constantly.

[Anonymous]

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I would not create eye-burrowing worms, for one example

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Why don't you take that up with whoever you are angry with? Being angry at God who in your opinion doesn't exist will not change anything for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Atheists are people who don't believe in art.

They are people who claim to not to believe in God but desperately seek every opportunity to talk about and debate about Him.

There are people who believe in god who feel a need to defend their beliefs

Nope. It's the atheists on this board desperately injecting themselves into every single thread. It screams of spirit deprivation.

So you think people who don't believe should just shut up and let you have the internet to yourself?

Are opinions that differ from your beliefs are that upsetting and threatening to you? I assure you that you will find very few atheists who are offended by your beliefs and think you should not post them. Most are happy to engage and respond because of the confidence in their position.

Nope. You could never change the mind on a believer. Coming here and stating that you don't believe or ridiculing believers is really not upsetting to any believers, most don't care. I just know that if I am 100% certain of something I don't have a deep spiritual need to constantly push a discussion about it. Atheists display that need constantly.

That's funny, because my doorbell rings once a week with someone pushing a religious belief, and not once has it been an Atheist. In fact, it's only been Christians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would not create eye-burrowing worms, for one example

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Why don't you take that up with whoever you are angry with? Being angry at God who in your opinion doesn't exist will not change anything for you.

Not angry at god, since one does not exist.

Not angry at anyone.

Find the idea that "bad things happen for a reason" to be sad, and sometimes dangerous fatalism.

I believe people can make things better. And only people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would not create eye-burrowing worms, for one example

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Why don't you take that up with whoever you are angry with? Being angry at God who in your opinion doesn't exist will not change anything for you.

Not angry at god, since one does not exist.

Not angry at anyone.

Find the idea that "bad things happen for a reason" to be sad, and sometimes dangerous fatalism.

I believe people can make things better. And only people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Atheists are people who don't believe in art.

They are people who claim to not to believe in God but desperately seek every opportunity to talk about and debate about Him.

There are people who believe in god who feel a need to defend their beliefs

Nope. It's the atheists on this board desperately injecting themselves into every single thread. It screams of spirit deprivation.

So you think people who don't believe should just shut up and let you have the internet to yourself?

Are opinions that differ from your beliefs are that upsetting and threatening to you? I assure you that you will find very few atheists who are offended by your beliefs and think you should not post them. Most are happy to engage and respond because of the confidence in their position.

Nope. You could never change the mind on a believer. Coming here and stating that you don't believe or ridiculing believers is really not upsetting to any believers, most don't care. I just know that if I am 100% certain of something I don't have a deep spiritual need to constantly push a discussion about it. Atheists display that need constantly.

That's funny, because my doorbell rings once a week with someone pushing a religious belief, and not once has it been an Atheist. In fact, it's only been Christians.

You have a choice not to listen to them. You have a choice to not participate in anything Christian. The individuals that come to your door are part of some ministry and doing what they have been assigned to do. However, they do not have a deep need to prove it to you that God exists. They are not going to go home and think how they could convince you to believe. You don't matter the way you think you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would not create eye-burrowing worms, for one example

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Why don't you take that up with whoever you are angry with? Being angry at God who in your opinion doesn't exist will not change anything for you.

So,no need to ridicule the Book of Genesis or God (as displayed above). Go and do what you think the world needs. No one is stopping you. But remarking on God and his followers will not get you anywhere.

Not angry at god, since one does not exist.

Not angry at anyone.

Find the idea that "bad things happen for a reason" to be sad, and sometimes dangerous fatalism.

I believe people can make things better. And only people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would not create eye-burrowing worms, for one example

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Why don't you take that up with whoever you are angry with? Being angry at God who in your opinion doesn't exist will not change anything for you.

So,no need to ridicule the Book of Genesis or God (as displayed above). Go and do what you think the world needs. No one is stopping you. But remarking on God and his followers will not get you anywhere.

Not angry at god, since one does not exist.

Not angry at anyone.

Find the idea that "bad things happen for a reason" to be sad, and sometimes dangerous fatalism.

I believe people can make things better. And only people.

So,no need to ridicule the Book of Genesis or God (as displayed above). Go and do what you think the world needs. No one is stopping you. But remarking on God and his followers will not get you anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would not create eye-burrowing worms, for one example

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Why don't you take that up with whoever you are angry with? Being angry at God who in your opinion doesn't exist will not change anything for you.

So,no need to ridicule the Book of Genesis or God (as displayed above). Go and do what you think the world needs. No one is stopping you. But remarking on God and his followers will not get you anywhere.

Not angry at god, since one does not exist.

Not angry at anyone.

Find the idea that "bad things happen for a reason" to be sad, and sometimes dangerous fatalism.

I believe people can make things better. And only people.

So,no need to ridicule the Book of Genesis or God (as displayed above). Go and do what you think the world needs. No one is stopping you. But remarking on God and his followers will not get you anywhere.

I respectfully disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would not create eye-burrowing worms, for one example

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Atheists are not angry with god, they don’t believe in him, though some of them used to.,

Why don't you take that up with whoever you are angry with? Being angry at God who in your opinion doesn't exist will not change anything for you.

[Anonymous]

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Many want God to stop the delay and get it over with.

Romans 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?

Did God cause that person in TX to pick up a gun and kill people? Did God cause the pederast and homosexual Harvey Milk to molest teenage boys? Does God cause a person to pick up a bottle of booze and start a life of drunkenness? No, these are choices of individual will. Just as Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, so too do people continue to disobey, even when they have the bible (The Word of God) to explicitly and without any vagueness whatsoever instruct a person in the ways of righteousness.

God is allowing evil to run its course and will one day bring evil to an end. As long as there is one person who can be saved, even if it is 1,000 years from now, God will delay as long as necessary even for just that one person. That is how gracious Jesus our Lord and Great Shepherd is: he leaves none of his sheep behind.

Until then, we carry on as Paul instructed: "See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise, Redeeming the time because the days are evil." --Ephesians 5: 15

This leads me to a question I have no answer for but I have not searched the internets for it: In heaven, I assume we continue to have free will. When the earth is made anew, the New Earth people will have free will to do good or evil. Is it not logical to assume that one day, somewhere, somebody will do evil again and start the whole sordid process all over again? And when all that is “fixed” and God makes yet another New Earth, won’t this cycle continue of sin-curse-redemption-sin-curse…infinitely into the future? Or will these new sinners have Jesus to cover their sins as well?

It seems the only way to prevent evil is to take away a person’s free will so that person cannot make the choice to do evil, but then you don’t really have free will anymore but are a kind of programmed robot. And if we have free will in heaven, as did Satan, is it not it possible that some of those in heaven, perhaps becoming complacent or dissatisfied that others got more rewards than themselves, start hatching evil plots to stain the streets of gold with sin?

It is just a thought, and I’m sure God will have a fail-safe mechanism to prevent this but if God does, why did he not put that mechanism in the Garden of Eden in the first place? He could have placed a huge ditch around the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, or had it guarded by a T-Rex roaring at anyone who came near. Something, anything to allow this horrible disease and death to shellack the earth.

Then I have another thought (getting off topic): That tree of life: how many humans could it sustain? We know 2 but what about 2,000 or 2 million people? Then you plant a new tree? Would a point ever be reached that there were more humans on earth than fruit from the Tree of Life to let them live indefinitely? Would humans have to colonize the other planets with seeds from the Tree of Life so as to have enough trees to support all these people. Could it be God created creatures with the capacity to sin knowing that if too many lived forever they would have to die?

Just some thoughts, wondering, but I am sure God would have a perfect means to secure every person, even 100 trillion people. There is certainly enough space in the universe for them all.

[Anonymous]

One day his horse runs away. And his neighbor comes over and says, to commiserate, “I’m so sorry about your horse.” And the farmer says “Who Knows What’s Good or Bad?” The neighbor is confused because this is clearly terrible. The horse is the most valuable thing he owns.
But the horse comes back the next day and he brings with him 12 feral horses. The neighbor comes back over to celebrate, “Congratulations on your great fortune!” And the farmer replies again: “Who Knows What’s Good or Bad?”
And the next day the farmer’s son is taming one of the wild horses and he’s thrown and breaks his leg. The neighbor comes back over, “I’m so sorry about your son.” The farmer repeats: “Who Knows What’s Good or Bad?”
Sure enough, the next day the army comes through their village and is conscripting able-bodied young men to go and fight in war, but the son is spared because of his broken leg.

I doubt any of you pp's could tell what is ultimately good or ultimately bad. Enjoy the journey, focus on what you want and be happy for it. Anything else is a waste of time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You are missing a little detail after Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the earth making it harsh against Adam and Eve.

In the beginning, the eye-burrowing worms were useful creatures but after the earth was cursed, it probably mutated into the harmful creature it became. And no, it did not evolve from anything, because mutations do NOT cause one kind of creature, say, a mouse, to change into another, say, a bird. Macro-evolution is bunky-junky science made up from fibs and fabricated nonsense.

Eye-burrowing worms, like viruses and parasites, are part of the curse, but one day God will lift this curse and make things anew.

Today's school shooting in TX with 8 dead courtesy of God, with honorable mention to Adam and Eve! I am sure the parents of those students will fully blame Adam and Eve for their children's death!

Gosh I hope that curse gets lifted soon. What is the holdup, BTW?

Many want God to stop the delay and get it over with.

Romans 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?

Did God cause that person in TX to pick up a gun and kill people? Did God cause the pederast and homosexual Harvey Milk to molest teenage boys? Does God cause a person to pick up a bottle of booze and start a life of drunkenness? No, these are choices of individual will. Just as Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, so too do people continue to disobey, even when they have the bible (The Word of God) to explicitly and without any vagueness whatsoever instruct a person in the ways of righteousness.

God is allowing evil to run its course and will one day bring evil to an end. As long as there is one person who can be saved, even if it is 1,000 years from now, God will delay as long as necessary even for just that one person. That is how gracious Jesus our Lord and Great Shepherd is: he leaves none of his sheep behind.

Until then, we carry on as Paul instructed: "See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise, Redeeming the time because the days are evil." --Ephesians 5: 15

This leads me to a question I have no answer for but I have not searched the internets for it: In heaven, I assume we continue to have free will. When the earth is made anew, the New Earth people will have free will to do good or evil. Is it not logical to assume that one day, somewhere, somebody will do evil again and start the whole sordid process all over again? And when all that is “fixed” and God makes yet another New Earth, won’t this cycle continue of sin-curse-redemption-sin-curse…infinitely into the future? Or will these new sinners have Jesus to cover their sins as well?

It seems the only way to prevent evil is to take away a person’s free will so that person cannot make the choice to do evil, but then you don’t really have free will anymore but are a kind of programmed robot. And if we have free will in heaven, as did Satan, is it not it possible that some of those in heaven, perhaps becoming complacent or dissatisfied that others got more rewards than themselves, start hatching evil plots to stain the streets of gold with sin?

It is just a thought, and I’m sure God will have a fail-safe mechanism to prevent this but if God does, why did he not put that mechanism in the Garden of Eden in the first place? He could have placed a huge ditch around the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, or had it guarded by a T-Rex roaring at anyone who came near. Something, anything to allow this horrible disease and death to shellack the earth.

Then I have another thought (getting off topic): That tree of life: how many humans could it sustain? We know 2 but what about 2,000 or 2 million people? Then you plant a new tree? Would a point ever be reached that there were more humans on earth than fruit from the Tree of Life to let them live indefinitely? Would humans have to colonize the other planets with seeds from the Tree of Life so as to have enough trees to support all these people. Could it be God created creatures with the capacity to sin knowing that if too many lived forever they would have to die?

Just some thoughts, wondering, but I am sure God would have a perfect means to secure every person, even 100 trillion people. There is certainly enough space in the universe for them all.

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If you think in terms of there not being a god, all these complicated questions go away.
L

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is pretty much what brought me over to atheism. I could not fundamentally understand how any type of God would allow such terrible things to happen to innocent people. And when you read arguments from what are known as apologists, they say that God is testing us. But why continue to? Did we learn anything if this keeps happening? I completely agree with you OP.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a person of faith (Christian) and I don’t get it either. The only thing that keeps me going is the knowledge that Christ entered the world and suffered horribly in it. God is in our suffering world. Over Lent, I had a powerful image of Christ inviting me to put my hand into the wound on his side (a la Doubting Thomas). I know God/Christ is here with us, but I don’t know why babies are tortured.

He didn't suffer worse than these tortured babies and their families. He didn't suffer worse than these people being brutally and painfully murdered rue to hateful genocide every day. There is no god here. It's your imagination.