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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

Who's the "we" that's subsidizing TJ? We are part of the "we" too. See who in Richmond likes that idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

You don't call yourself and your own thinking ugliness? When you can't compete, you whine. When you whine and still can't compete, you maliciously demonize others. When none of these works, you cry and try to destroy the game by taking away the ball. But it's not your ball.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

+1. And I have a kid at TJ. Be better.

And BTW, I have seen a repeat dynamic where white parents are fine with the Asian kids and families, socializing, doing schoolwork together, whatever. But Asian parents, especially first gen, will not let their children go to the homes of white families. And I’m not talking about sleepovers and socializing. My kid has had group members whose parents have decreed that group projects can only be done in the home of another Asian family, not a white family. They don’t have to know the Asian family, mind you. They just have to be Asian. Because apparently we are going to walk around the house naked while 5 16 year olds work on a history project or someth8ng. And this is not a one off. It is a repeated issue. Also, a PITA, because it means I have to drive my kid 45 minutes each way each time.

There is also a really is ugly superiority complex/ Asians are genetically smarter / superior thing going on at TJ. I did not believe it until I saw it in action. I figure it doesn’t hurt my white son to learn what it feels like to be discriminated against. Good life lesson on white male privilege he would be unlikely to get anywhere else. But, I feel bad for the white girls, who are double minorities. A couple of my friends who parent white TJ girls (are there are only 40 or so per class) say they really struggle.

So, don’t pretend there is not a cohort of ugly Asian racists at TJ. It isn’t all Asians, by a long shot. But it exists in a sizeable minority. And it’s sickening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

+1. And I have a kid at TJ. Be better.

And BTW, I have seen a repeat dynamic where white parents are fine with the Asian kids and families, socializing, doing schoolwork together, whatever. But Asian parents, especially first gen, will not let their children go to the homes of white families. And I’m not talking about sleepovers and socializing. My kid has had group members whose parents have decreed that group projects can only be done in the home of another Asian family, not a white family. They don’t have to know the Asian family, mind you. They just have to be Asian. Because apparently we are going to walk around the house naked while 5 16 year olds work on a history project or someth8ng. And this is not a one off. It is a repeated issue. Also, a PITA, because it means I have to drive my kid 45 minutes each way each time.

There is also a really is ugly superiority complex/ Asians are genetically smarter / superior thing going on at TJ. I did not believe it until I saw it in action. I figure it doesn’t hurt my white son to learn what it feels like to be discriminated against. Good life lesson on white male privilege he would be unlikely to get anywhere else. But, I feel bad for the white girls, who are double minorities. A couple of my friends who parent white TJ girls (are there are only 40 or so per class) say they really struggle.

So, don’t pretend there is not a cohort of ugly Asian racists at TJ. It isn’t all Asians, by a long shot. But it exists in a sizeable minority. And it’s sickening.

I find it really really hard to believe you. Is it possible that you are known to them as a racist so that they don't want to have anything to do with you? This is not my observation at all.

[Anonymous]

I get this racist crap from my Asian DW all the time. It must really kill her that our TJ kids get all their smarts from me.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting if they changed to a system of looking only at grades, teacher recommendations, work samples, and interviews and just completely cut out the testing. The selection would then be based more on the child's work over time, rather than one or two days of testing.

Why do you think this would change the outcome in terms of student ratio?

I didn't say it would.

I think it would be interesting because it seems that every year there are complaints that some kids with very high scores were not accepted while others with lower scores were. I think that test scores don't tell the whole story about students and their potential and that work over time gives a better picture of a student's work ethic and abilities, so it would be interesting to take tests completely out of the equation.

I think the only "soft" variables in the entire process are the teacher recommendations and part II of the test. There is probably a direct correlation between grades in school and performance in test 1. They do consider grades and teacher recommendations so it does include a "work over time" perspective. I don't think interviews are a good idea. That would be moving away from the blind admission process where they do not know who the kid is during the selection process. Introducing an interview would result in perception of bias. But overall, I don't think it would change who gets in..

They could do phone interviews.

Dropping the standardized tests wouldn't make a big difference in who is selected, but it would put a brake on some businesses that are out there making a lot of money off families with test prep classes. Some of those same businesses are the ones that collect questions from tests given at TJ and are involved in some of the test cheating that goes on there- they keep up relationships with kids who took their prep classes and ask them to memorize test questions and tell them so they can put together a test question bank. So dropping the tests could possibly have a good effect at TJ itself.

I just don't think the tests are absolutely necessary given the other information that is available to the admissions committee. There are colleges that are dropping requirements for standardized testing and TJ is dealing with smaller numbers of applicants than most colleges. FCPS would be able to save a fair amount of money on the testing and still put together a good class.

Fair enough.. Good thought. As long as they can make sure biases do not creep into the interview process, this might work. I do agree on the point about test prep. However, for most of them, TJ prep is just the hook. Most of the kids return for ongoing supplemental classes throughout their HS years. That's where they make the most of their money.

But, why should a kid who is smart enough to be a TJ in need of ongoing supplemental classes? That's where, unfortunately, there are sometimes incidents of cheating in terms of using questions that have been collected surreptitiously from students who have taken the tests. Kids smart enough to be at TJ should be smart enough to do their own studying without the need for outside tutoring.

I think they could put together a good class without standardized tests and there wouldn't be all this comparing of test scores which really aren't necessarily a good predictor of success at TJ anyway. At least on the college level, grades have been found to be a better predictor of success than test scores, so I wouldn't be surprised if research on TJ applicants would have the same results.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

+1. And I have a kid at TJ. Be better.

And BTW, I have seen a repeat dynamic where white parents are fine with the Asian kids and families, socializing, doing schoolwork together, whatever. But Asian parents, especially first gen, will not let their children go to the homes of white families. And I’m not talking about sleepovers and socializing. My kid has had group members whose parents have decreed that group projects can only be done in the home of another Asian family, not a white family. They don’t have to know the Asian family, mind you. They just have to be Asian. Because apparently we are going to walk around the house naked while 5 16 year olds work on a history project or someth8ng. And this is not a one off. It is a repeated issue. Also, a PITA, because it means I have to drive my kid 45 minutes each way each time.

There is also a really is ugly superiority complex/ Asians are genetically smarter / superior thing going on at TJ. I did not believe it until I saw it in action. I figure it doesn’t hurt my white son to learn what it feels like to be discriminated against. Good life lesson on white male privilege he would be unlikely to get anywhere else. But, I feel bad for the white girls, who are double minorities. A couple of my friends who parent white TJ girls (are there are only 40 or so per class) say they really struggle.

So, don’t pretend there is not a cohort of ugly Asian racists at TJ. It isn’t all Asians, by a long shot. But it exists in a sizeable minority. And it’s sickening.

Well as an Asian parent I found it quite the opposite in terms of who is the racist. In many occasions, we tried to invite DS's classmates for birthday parties, play dates etc. But believe it or not, in most of the cases, those who tended to reject our invitations (citing conflicts) are whites. I really wanted to believe these are just coincidences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

+1. And I have a kid at TJ. Be better.

And BTW, I have seen a repeat dynamic where white parents are fine with the Asian kids and families, socializing, doing schoolwork together, whatever. But Asian parents, especially first gen, will not let their children go to the homes of white families. And I’m not talking about sleepovers and socializing. My kid has had group members whose parents have decreed that group projects can only be done in the home of another Asian family, not a white family. They don’t have to know the Asian family, mind you. They just have to be Asian. Because apparently we are going to walk around the house naked while 5 16 year olds work on a history project or someth8ng. And this is not a one off. It is a repeated issue. Also, a PITA, because it means I have to drive my kid 45 minutes each way each time.

There is also a really is ugly superiority complex/ Asians are genetically smarter / superior thing going on at TJ. I did not believe it until I saw it in action. I figure it doesn’t hurt my white son to learn what it feels like to be discriminated against. Good life lesson on white male privilege he would be unlikely to get anywhere else. But, I feel bad for the white girls, who are double minorities. A couple of my friends who parent white TJ girls (are there are only 40 or so per class) say they really struggle.

So, don’t pretend there is not a cohort of ugly Asian racists at TJ. It isn’t all Asians, by a long shot. But it exists in a sizeable minority. And it’s sickening.

Asian American here. Really wonder what type of Asians you are referring to. I’m Korean American. DH is Chinese American. I can’t think of anyone I have encountered in my life like this. And my parents were strict Christian parents who never let me sleep over. They always drove me to group projects.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ For the essay class, we randomly found it here:

https://fairfaxcollegiate.com/subjects/test%20prep

It was relatively inexpensive, very close to home, timing was convenient, and I thought it will not hurt. My DD said it was helpful. For the whole test prep class, I did more research and signed her up with Kate Dalby. Kate was so nice and spoke over the phone with me for at least 40 minutes telling about her program, before we signed up.

Mind sharing what Kate Dalby's classes cost? Also the location of her classes?

Did you do it over the summer or during the school year right before the test?

Thanks!

Kate's prep information is here:
http://katedalby.com/tj-admissions-prep/
Cost is $968, and classes are in McLean. My DD took it in October-November, right before the TJ test. Her friend who took the class with her unfortunately didn't get in - so there is no magic in taking a 6-week class, just a good supplement if a child is already well qualified. I mostly wanted my DD to learn the test taking strategies so that those familiar with the strategies don't outsmart her on the test only for that reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

+1. And I have a kid at TJ. Be better.

And BTW, I have seen a repeat dynamic where white parents are fine with the Asian kids and families, socializing, doing schoolwork together, whatever. But Asian parents, especially first gen, will not let their children go to the homes of white families. And I’m not talking about sleepovers and socializing. My kid has had group members whose parents have decreed that group projects can only be done in the home of another Asian family, not a white family. They don’t have to know the Asian family, mind you. They just have to be Asian. Because apparently we are going to walk around the house naked while 5 16 year olds work on a history project or someth8ng. And this is not a one off. It is a repeated issue. Also, a PITA, because it means I have to drive my kid 45 minutes each way each time.

There is also a really is ugly superiority complex/ Asians are genetically smarter / superior thing going on at TJ. I did not believe it until I saw it in action. I figure it doesn’t hurt my white son to learn what it feels like to be discriminated against. Good life lesson on white male privilege he would be unlikely to get anywhere else. But, I feel bad for the white girls, who are double minorities. A couple of my friends who parent white TJ girls (are there are only 40 or so per class) say they really struggle.

So, don’t pretend there is not a cohort of ugly Asian racists at TJ. It isn’t all Asians, by a long shot. But it exists in a sizeable minority. And it’s sickening.

Asian American here. Really wonder what type of Asians you are referring to. I’m Korean American. DH is Chinese American. I can’t think of anyone I have encountered in my life like this. And my parents were strict Christian parents who never let me sleep over. They always drove me to group projects.

Seems to be primarily 1st generation Indian. And no. Not just me. My kids have plenty of Asian friends who are over here. And this is what I get from my kid— what kids tell him their parents rules are.

Don’t take my word for it. Check out TJ Vents:

"it's rlly rlly annoying to have indian parents which ik 75% of this school knows but it's more annoying when they are the most traditional as in shoulders showing is pushing it sleepovers are pushing it going to a football game means silent car rides bc ur a disgrace but now going to a white friends house is close to the disgrace caused by going to community college so pls if ur parents are fine with stuff stop being an ass and complaining "

27 March 2018 9:52 PM

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

+1. And I have a kid at TJ. Be better.

And BTW, I have seen a repeat dynamic where white parents are fine with the Asian kids and families, socializing, doing schoolwork together, whatever. But Asian parents, especially first gen, will not let their children go to the homes of white families. And I’m not talking about sleepovers and socializing. My kid has had group members whose parents have decreed that group projects can only be done in the home of another Asian family, not a white family. They don’t have to know the Asian family, mind you. They just have to be Asian. Because apparently we are going to walk around the house naked while 5 16 year olds work on a history project or someth8ng. And this is not a one off. It is a repeated issue. Also, a PITA, because it means I have to drive my kid 45 minutes each way each time.

There is also a really is ugly superiority complex/ Asians are genetically smarter / superior thing going on at TJ. I did not believe it until I saw it in action. I figure it doesn’t hurt my white son to learn what it feels like to be discriminated against. Good life lesson on white male privilege he would be unlikely to get anywhere else. But, I feel bad for the white girls, who are double minorities. A couple of my friends who parent white TJ girls (are there are only 40 or so per class) say they really struggle.

So, don’t pretend there is not a cohort of ugly Asian racists at TJ. It isn’t all Asians, by a long shot. But it exists in a sizeable minority. And it’s sickening.

Asian American here. Really wonder what type of Asians you are referring to. I’m Korean American. DH is Chinese American. I can’t think of anyone I have encountered in my life like this. And my parents were strict Christian parents who never let me sleep over. They always drove me to group projects.

Seems to be primarily 1st generation Indian. And no. Not just me. My kids have plenty of Asian friends who are over here. And this is what I get from my kid— what kids tell him their parents rules are.

Don’t take my word for it. Check out TJ Vents:

"it's rlly rlly annoying to have indian parents which ik 75% of this school knows but it's more annoying when they are the most traditional as in shoulders showing is pushing it sleepovers are pushing it going to a football game means silent car rides bc ur a disgrace but now going to a white friends house is close to the disgrace caused by going to community college so pls if ur parents are fine with stuff stop being an ass and complaining "

27 March 2018 9:52 PM

Pp here. I’m not as familiar with 1st gen Indians. DS did have an Indian friend from preschool who rejected every single play date and birthday party invitation. Kids ended up at the same elementary school and now at same aap center. Still have never gotten kids together after knowing one another for 6 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ For the essay class, we randomly found it here:

https://fairfaxcollegiate.com/subjects/test%20prep

It was relatively inexpensive, very close to home, timing was convenient, and I thought it will not hurt. My DD said it was helpful. For the whole test prep class, I did more research and signed her up with Kate Dalby. Kate was so nice and spoke over the phone with me for at least 40 minutes telling about her program, before we signed up.

Mind sharing what Kate Dalby's classes cost? Also the location of her classes?

Did you do it over the summer or during the school year right before the test?

Thanks!

Kate's prep information is here:
http://katedalby.com/tj-admissions-prep/
Cost is $968, and classes are in McLean. My DD took it in October-November, right before the TJ test. Her friend who took the class with her unfortunately didn't get in - so there is no magic in taking a 6-week class, just a good supplement if a child is already well qualified. I mostly wanted my DD to learn the test taking strategies so that those familiar with the strategies don't outsmart her on the test only for that reason.

See, this is part of the reason why they should just drop the test part of the application process. Your chances to get into TJ should not be affected by whether or not your parents can afford almost $1000 for a six week class. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Grades and teacher recommendations give a much fuller picture of a student and their abilities than a one day test can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ugliness coming, apparently, from Asians on this thread. Why do we continue to subsidize this school for arrogant snobs?

+1. And I have a kid at TJ. Be better.

And BTW, I have seen a repeat dynamic where white parents are fine with the Asian kids and families, socializing, doing schoolwork together, whatever. But Asian parents, especially first gen, will not let their children go to the homes of white families. And I’m not talking about sleepovers and socializing. My kid has had group members whose parents have decreed that group projects can only be done in the home of another Asian family, not a white family. They don’t have to know the Asian family, mind you. They just have to be Asian. Because apparently we are going to walk around the house naked while 5 16 year olds work on a history project or someth8ng. And this is not a one off. It is a repeated issue. Also, a PITA, because it means I have to drive my kid 45 minutes each way each time.

There is also a really is ugly superiority complex/ Asians are genetically smarter / superior thing going on at TJ. I did not believe it until I saw it in action. I figure it doesn’t hurt my white son to learn what it feels like to be discriminated against. Good life lesson on white male privilege he would be unlikely to get anywhere else. But, I feel bad for the white girls, who are double minorities. A couple of my friends who parent white TJ girls (are there are only 40 or so per class) say they really struggle.

So, don’t pretend there is not a cohort of ugly Asian racists at TJ. It isn’t all Asians, by a long shot. But it exists in a sizeable minority. And it’s sickening.

Asian American here. Really wonder what type of Asians you are referring to. I’m Korean American. DH is Chinese American. I can’t think of anyone I have encountered in my life like this. And my parents were strict Christian parents who never let me sleep over. They always drove me to group projects.

Seems to be primarily 1st generation Indian. And no. Not just me. My kids have plenty of Asian friends who are over here. And this is what I get from my kid— what kids tell him their parents rules are.

Don’t take my word for it. Check out TJ Vents:

"it's rlly rlly annoying to have indian parents which ik 75% of this school knows but it's more annoying when they are the most traditional as in shoulders showing is pushing it sleepovers are pushing it going to a football game means silent car rides bc ur a disgrace but now going to a white friends house is close to the disgrace caused by going to community college so pls if ur parents are fine with stuff stop being an ass and complaining "

27 March 2018 9:52 PM

I'm an Indian American parent (first gen) with a TJ kid. Wouldn't dream of saying anything like what the original poster was saying nor behaving that way. My kids go to sleepovers at White kids' homes and vice versa. I honestly don't know anyone who would behave like that either.. I'm sorry you and your son were made to feel bad PP. It is unacceptable. Have you tried talking to one of those parents? It's quite possible that they are from a community where there are not exposed to any others and may have hangups (can't imagine about what though)..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ For the essay class, we randomly found it here:

https://fairfaxcollegiate.com/subjects/test%20prep

It was relatively inexpensive, very close to home, timing was convenient, and I thought it will not hurt. My DD said it was helpful. For the whole test prep class, I did more research and signed her up with Kate Dalby. Kate was so nice and spoke over the phone with me for at least 40 minutes telling about her program, before we signed up.

Mind sharing what Kate Dalby's classes cost? Also the location of her classes?

Did you do it over the summer or during the school year right before the test?

Thanks!

Kate's prep information is here:
http://katedalby.com/tj-admissions-prep/
Cost is $968, and classes are in McLean. My DD took it in October-November, right before the TJ test. Her friend who took the class with her unfortunately didn't get in - so there is no magic in taking a 6-week class, just a good supplement if a child is already well qualified. I mostly wanted my DD to learn the test taking strategies so that those familiar with the strategies don't outsmart her on the test only for that reason.

Thanks for the info.!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Fair enough.. Good thought. As long as they can make sure biases do not creep into the interview process, this might work. I do agree on the point about test prep. However, for most of them, TJ prep is just the hook. Most of the kids return for ongoing supplemental classes throughout their HS years. That's where they make the most of their money.

But, why should a kid who is smart enough to be a TJ in need of ongoing supplemental classes? That's where, unfortunately, there are sometimes incidents of cheating in terms of using questions that have been collected surreptitiously from students who have taken the tests. Kids smart enough to be at TJ should be smart enough to do their own studying without the need for outside tutoring.

I think they could put together a good class without standardized tests and there wouldn't be all this comparing of test scores which really aren't necessarily a good predictor of success at TJ anyway. At least on the college level, grades have been found to be a better predictor of success than test scores, so I wouldn't be surprised if research on TJ applicants would have the same results.

I don't think you can assume that someone going to supplemental classes is somehow cheating. People use tutors for a variety of reasons. Signing up for a class over a quarter may be cheaper per class than taking a few on and off. As we have all seen over and over again, TJ math is really tough. maybe the kid wants to get ahead. I know a few top-performing kids at a base HS (one of the top around here) get supplemental classes in Spanish and Math. Would that be OK because they are not in TJ?