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Anonymous
Not the pp, but going to respond to your thoughts anyway since you seem to be taking an extreme view of the criticism being given to the MYS, which really should be for all clubs that try to take advantage of the rich zip codes they are located in. - that 6 figures is a high salary for this area? Yes, it is. $60k-$80k HHI is common as well, yet select programs are geared towards families with much higher HHI that the money being paid for 'soccer instruction' has vastly inflated the price clubs must charge to break even. It spurs hiring of FT prima donna coaches who have so much free time they create separate businesses that train at a 'higher level' to offer their club's players and for others allows the coaches to pursue status in the plethora of US Youth soccer organizations. The surplus money allows the ever increasing pay-to-play price tags that for families who truly can't afford it must have their fees reduced by half. Seriously, is this grad school? THe clubs aren't receiving thousands in donations, so their additional funding available to award to families must be coming from their surplus because the price tags are not in line with true cost of offering the soccer select program. - that a good soccer coach should not be well compensated for his/her expertise, even if it is in high demand? So you think we have good soccer coaches in the area? What makes them good soccer coaches? Their licenses, their connections with colleges, their training environment? Certainly we must have great soccer coaches, but if were being true to ourselves, the market for high performing employees within an efficient industry shouldn't be applied to our YOUTH soccer landscape. There is not enough information for all parties to make informed decisions. - that big names can't possibly be good coaches? OK, so you're being facetious, but generally big names means big egos. Think of your personal best mentors, coaches, trainers, that you have had in your personal life. Were they always considered 'big', or mostly did you realize the person was a great mentor/coach/trainer afterwards? Big names does not mean consistency. - that good coaches should not be allowed to change clubs as generally all soccer coaches do? The issue is so clear, the individuals are using their name to transfer to different clubs and getting more perks and pay raises for each move. Meanwhile raising their name and ego for their next move. |
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"So true on MYS. The number of people there earning 6 figures is disgusting. Hope no one there preaches about the problems with pay to play."
The salaries are right on the website http://www.mcleansoccer.org/mclean_board (2015 and 2016 IRS docs) |
Anonymous
I only see one person making 6 figures - the technical director Clyde Watson. |
Anonymous
Exactly, the “money grab” and “rich coaches” tropes are ridiculous. The single greatest expense is fields. 3 full time jobs for a large organization such as MYS with a 1000 members is quite lean. |
Anonymous
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Not PP, but they were probably exaggerating and they do offer a valid point of view expressed in McLean. A few "named" coaches have turned out to be great hires - Walker to name one. Watson is the club, and the reason that the club has any draw for girls, so he earns his 6 figures and is respected. And I am sure the other good ones command a bigger premium - which is fine. But there seems to be so much turnover year after year with so many famous names and their premium salaries, that it then really does stand out as a problem and becomes a stigma. Many of these hires are bad choices ... either they are not good coaches, or because they leave after their 2 year tour of duty is up and on to the next big thing - basically, no longevity. What is this doing for the players? Yes, fields are an issue too. Why not use this money to get great coaches that stay around for awhile? Why not use this money to get rid of and replace the really bad coaches that have poisoned the club for years, especially on the younger girls side? The infighting and environment in McLean, and the coaches getting away with what they do (big-name prima donnas and no-name megalomaniacs), is entirely due to the turnover problem, which is related to the values created by the hiring decisions. The PP is spot on to call it "disgusting" that the same focus continues year after year. I think things would improve with an eventual "coaching clean-up" on the girls side and better "messaging" about why coaches are being hired. I loved watching Moreno and Korb play, but there is more to it then that. |
Anonymous
It is in fact true that college coaches do not care about team or league. They care about skill sets and size. The question is whether you can improve your team skill set if you are on a weaker team. If you are big and fast coaches are willing to bet they can train you up. You will not stick if you do not improve in your first year. Similarly, if you are small (my kid) you need to show freshman year you can play. Lots of teams have 6-8 freshman who turn into 3-4 seniors. It is easiest for a coach to look at a good player on a good team and think about how they may fit into their program. But, every coach will look at a good player from a bad team and think along the same lines. College coaches want good players and they don't care where they are from. From a parent standpoint the question is whether you can become a good player on a weaker team. That, in my view, is going to depend on coaching and individual skill development. The better the team the easier that becomes Because you are playing better competition. But, the reality is that better competition could be had nearby and not several states away. |
Anonymous
| McLean and Arlington combing for Girls ECNL? How will it be different this time? |
Anonymous
thank u insider. u were right. |
Anonymous
I wonder if they will play under McLean name or will create something new since it’s a combined team. I would think for it to work for Arlington this time there has got to be more of a merger, shared coaching. |
Anonymous
I like Kevin Payne a lot, but I'm not going to put much stock in what the head of US Club Soccer (the sanctioning entity for ECNL) has to say about the DA. There is a built-in conflict of interest there. |
Anonymous
Did we miss an announcement? Where do you see McLean and Arlington combining for ECNL? |
Anonymous
If true, that would be a disaster for ASA. |
Anonymous
this! nailed it |
Anonymous
It makes no sense to generalize about what "all college coaches" care about when recruiting players. I can tell you from personal experience that many coaches of top men's programs want to see prospects move to a DA if they have that option so they are facing the best competition. Many coaches are not in a position to attract DA or ECNL starters. Some care about player size, while others are more sophisticated and can evaluate all elements of a player's game. Some have a network of club coaches they rely on for recommendations, while others are more independent. Some think they can coach up skills and tactical abilities that are lacking, while others won't look at a kid with bad touch. |