Why aren’t KIPP schools popularity on this board

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

It's not necessarily what people consciously tell themselves. It is SO completely obvious that race is a huge factor -- you have to be in major denial not to see it, or have an extremely simplistic view of the intersectionality of race and economics in DC. Yes I know that middle class white parents don't view themselves as racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

It's not necessarily what people consciously tell themselves. It is SO completely obvious that race is a huge factor -- you have to be in major denial not to see it, or have an extremely simplistic view of the intersectionality of race and economics in DC. Yes I know that middle class white parents don't view themselves as racist.

Let me guess -- you don't view yourself as racist?

[Anonymous]

I don't know what puts people off the other KIPP locations. But the P St. KIPP location is in boundary for Seaton, Cleveland, and Thomson, which are all relatively strong schools. It is also close to the big Friendship Armstrong elementary campus. And it's not terribly far from the metro but not super close either. So it's not really a strategic location. Personally I am fine with the KIPP style (what is really is, not what it is rumored to be) but am also fine with any other reasonably well-run school, so Seaton being near the metro is preferable for us.

[Anonymous]

I'm mixed race, low SES due to divorce, and 75+% of my income is invested in my toddler's education. Thank God for foostamps and medicaid, quite frankly.
I try to be strict (almost zero.screentime, manners, etc...) but would prefer My son thrives on structure...
.
. Is there any chance KIPP will provide language immersion programs? Any insiders eith info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

It's not necessarily what people consciously tell themselves. It is SO completely obvious that race is a huge factor -- you have to be in major denial not to see it, or have an extremely simplistic view of the intersectionality of race and economics in DC. Yes I know that middle class white parents don't view themselves as racist.

Let me guess -- you don't view yourself as racist?

Yes, I am racist. I try hard to be aware of the racial stereotypes that are very hard to get away from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

It's not necessarily what people consciously tell themselves. It is SO completely obvious that race is a huge factor -- you have to be in major denial not to see it, or have an extremely simplistic view of the intersectionality of race and economics in DC. Yes I know that middle class white parents don't view themselves as racist.

Let me guess -- you don't view yourself as racist?

Yes, I am racist. I try hard to be aware of the racial stereotypes that are very hard to get away from.

thanks for your honesty another one of the racist blacks against gentrifies. We cleaned up your city moron.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm mixed race, low SES due to divorce, and 75+% of my income is invested in my toddler's education. Thank God for foostamps and medicaid, quite frankly.
I try to be strict (almost zero.screentime, manners, etc...) but would prefer My son thrives on structure...
.
. Is there any chance KIPP will provide language immersion programs? Any insiders eith info?

I don't have inside info from KIPP HQ, but as a current KIPP parent I doubt that language immersion is being considered. What they do, they do really well. But they haven't ever provided language immersion (some campuses do have language as a special, but it's inconsistent at our campus).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what puts people off the other KIPP locations. But the P St. KIPP location is in boundary for Seaton, Cleveland, and Thomson, which are all relatively strong schools. It is also close to the big Friendship Armstrong elementary campus. And it's not terribly far from the metro but not super close either. So it's not really a strategic location. Personally I am fine with the KIPP style (what is really is, not what it is rumored to be) but am also fine with any other reasonably well-run school, so Seaton being near the metro is preferable for us.

This. It’s not always about race. Convenience and confort play a part. And there is comfort for some in having more diversity and mixed income levels at a school. I’m comfortable in the Friendship Reggio preschool program because there are neighborhood parents there who are like me and there is diversity. Yes, the neighborhood is gentrified but let’s admit that’s not a bad thing for schools. I don’t know what my next school will be but if the Reggio program or arts immersion expands and my neighbors stay, we’ll stick with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what puts people off the other KIPP locations. But the P St. KIPP location is in boundary for Seaton, Cleveland, and Thomson, which are all relatively strong schools. It is also close to the big Friendship Armstrong elementary campus. And it's not terribly far from the metro but not super close either. So it's not really a strategic location. Personally I am fine with the KIPP style (what is really is, not what it is rumored to be) but am also fine with any other reasonably well-run school, so Seaton being near the metro is preferable for us.

This. It’s not always about race. Convenience and confort play a part. And there is comfort for some in having more diversity and mixed income levels at a school. I’m comfortable in the Friendship Reggio preschool program because there are neighborhood parents there who are like me and there is diversity. Yes, the neighborhood is gentrified but let’s admit that’s not a bad thing for schools. I don’t know what my next school will be but if the Reggio program or arts immersion expands and my neighbors stay, we’ll stick with it.

I don't know anyone who has stayed past preschool. Actually I know one family who switched to Langley. Apparently it's much less Reggio-ish after preschool, and they were uncomfortable with behaviors because they lived really, really close to the school and kids would come to their house uninvited.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

It's not necessarily what people consciously tell themselves. It is SO completely obvious that race is a huge factor -- you have to be in major denial not to see it, or have an extremely simplistic view of the intersectionality of race and economics in DC. Yes I know that middle class white parents don't view themselves as racist.

Let me guess -- you don't view yourself as racist?

Yes, I am racist. I try hard to be aware of the racial stereotypes that are very hard to get away from.

thanks for your honesty another one of the racist blacks against gentrifies. We cleaned up your city moron.

Who is we?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what puts people off the other KIPP locations. But the P St. KIPP location is in boundary for Seaton, Cleveland, and Thomson, which are all relatively strong schools. It is also close to the big Friendship Armstrong elementary campus. And it's not terribly far from the metro but not super close either. So it's not really a strategic location. Personally I am fine with the KIPP style (what is really is, not what it is rumored to be) but am also fine with any other reasonably well-run school, so Seaton being near the metro is preferable for us.

This. It’s not always about race. Convenience and confort play a part. And there is comfort for some in having more diversity and mixed income levels at a school. I’m comfortable in the Friendship Reggio preschool program because there are neighborhood parents there who are like me and there is diversity. Yes, the neighborhood is gentrified but let’s admit that’s not a bad thing for schools. I don’t know what my next school will be but if the Reggio program or arts immersion expands and my neighbors stay, we’ll stick with it.

I don't know anyone who has stayed past preschool. Actually I know one family who switched to Langley. Apparently it's much less Reggio-ish after preschool, and they were uncomfortable with behaviors because they lived really, really close to the school and kids would come to their house uninvited.

DP it's only Reggio-inspired for PreK-K, that's not any kind of secret.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what puts people off the other KIPP locations. But the P St. KIPP location is in boundary for Seaton, Cleveland, and Thomson, which are all relatively strong schools. It is also close to the big Friendship Armstrong elementary campus. And it's not terribly far from the metro but not super close either. So it's not really a strategic location. Personally I am fine with the KIPP style (what is really is, not what it is rumored to be) but am also fine with any other reasonably well-run school, so Seaton being near the metro is preferable for us.

This. It’s not always about race. Convenience and confort play a part. And there is comfort for some in having more diversity and mixed income levels at a school. I’m comfortable in the Friendship Reggio preschool program because there are neighborhood parents there who are like me and there is diversity. Yes, the neighborhood is gentrified but let’s admit that’s not a bad thing for schools. I don’t know what my next school will be but if the Reggio program or arts immersion expands and my neighbors stay, we’ll stick with it.

I don't know anyone who has stayed past preschool. Actually I know one family who switched to Langley. Apparently it's much less Reggio-ish after preschool, and they were uncomfortable with behaviors because they lived really, really close to the school and kids would come to their house uninvited.

DP it's only Reggio-inspired for PreK-K, that's not any kind of secret.

I know. But apparently the upper grades are very not Reggio, much more so than you might expect for a school operating a Reggio preschool.

[Anonymous]

Whatever. Easy to say. Doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

It's not necessarily what people consciously tell themselves. It is SO completely obvious that race is a huge factor -- you have to be in major denial not to see it, or have an extremely simplistic view of the intersectionality of race and economics in DC. Yes I know that middle class white parents don't view themselves as racist.

Let me guess -- you don't view yourself as racist?

Yes, I am racist. I try hard to be aware of the racial stereotypes that are very hard to get away from.

thanks for your honesty another one of the racist blacks against gentrifies. We cleaned up your city moron.

I'm a NP and find this pp post incredibly insulting. Agreed with the poster who asked who is "we". Our family is a black UMC family who moved into the district in 2011 and renovated our home and have contributed to our neighborhood. We know of a number of other UMC black and mixed families who have done the same. Whites aren't the only relatively new ones investing in DC in the past decade!