Why aren’t KIPP schools popularity on this board

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what puts people off the other KIPP locations. But the P St. KIPP location is in boundary for Seaton, Cleveland, and Thomson, which are all relatively strong schools. It is also close to the big Friendship Armstrong elementary campus. And it's not terribly far from the metro but not super close either. So it's not really a strategic location. Personally I am fine with the KIPP style (what is really is, not what it is rumored to be) but am also fine with any other reasonably well-run school, so Seaton being near the metro is preferable for us.

This. It’s not always about race. Convenience and confort play a part. And there is comfort for some in having more diversity and mixed income levels at a school. I’m comfortable in the Friendship Reggio preschool program because there are neighborhood parents there who are like me and there is diversity. Yes, the neighborhood is gentrified but let’s admit that’s not a bad thing for schools. I don’t know what my next school will be but if the Reggio program or arts immersion expands and my neighbors stay, we’ll stick with it.

I don't know anyone who has stayed past preschool. Actually I know one family who switched to Langley. Apparently it's much less Reggio-ish after preschool, and they were uncomfortable with behaviors because they lived really, really close to the school and kids would come to their house uninvited.

DP it's only Reggio-inspired for PreK-K, that's not any kind of secret.

I know. But apparently the upper grades are very not Reggio, much more so than you might expect for a school operating a Reggio preschool.

Many schools -- including DCPS -- use different curriculums for ECE upper grades. For example, a number of schools use AppleTree's curriculum (including EL Haynes, Center City PCS, Rocketship, ); many others use Tools of the Mind (multiple DCPS and KIPP).

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

It's not necessarily what people consciously tell themselves. It is SO completely obvious that race is a huge factor -- you have to be in major denial not to see it, or have an extremely simplistic view of the intersectionality of race and economics in DC. Yes I know that middle class white parents don't view themselves as racist.

Let me guess -- you don't view yourself as racist?

Yes, I am racist. I try hard to be aware of the racial stereotypes that are very hard to get away from.

thanks for your honesty another one of the racist blacks against gentrifies. We cleaned up your city moron.

I'm a NP and find this pp post incredibly insulting. Agreed with the poster who asked who is "we". Our family is a black UMC family who moved into the district in 2011 and renovated our home and have contributed to our neighborhood. We know of a number of other UMC black and mixed families who have done the same. Whites aren't the only relatively new ones investing in DC in the past decade!

I'm the PP in the conversation above questioning why the quite a few posts reasons giving reasons for not considering KIPP (location, amount of structure, length of day, length of style, mission to help low SES kids, etc.) are being interpreted as really intending to say "because the schools are predominantly AA." I think there are a factors to have a useful discussion about here, and reducing it all (unfairly, imo) to racism is not productive.

fwiw, I am not the author of the gentrifier/moron post. That comment is tremendously rude and unhelpful. (I wish that poster had noted that they were a "DP" (or just stayed out of the conversation!

I think we should address racism where appropriate, but not get bogged down in a discussion of it when it is perceived in spite of the actual statements. The gentrifier/moron comment inflames racial sparring rather than promoting fair discussion of the issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really pretending race isn’t a huge issue here for white parents? It’s pretty obvious from posts all over this board.

Obvious how?!

All I see is some people talking about high vs low SES, and then some other people responding as though the PPs said "black vs white."

I get that SES and race, in aggregate, are correlated in DC, but that doesn't automatically make every SES-issue a race-based one.

try again. people with half a brain aren't falling for it.

This is why half the threads on DCUM devolve into a racial he-said/she-said. You are certain that you know that people mean something different than what they are saying. You are blessed with ESP and/or are sadly prejudicial of those around you.

It's not necessarily what people consciously tell themselves. It is SO completely obvious that race is a huge factor -- you have to be in major denial not to see it, or have an extremely simplistic view of the intersectionality of race and economics in DC. Yes I know that middle class white parents don't view themselves as racist.

Let me guess -- you don't view yourself as racist?

Yes, I am racist. I try hard to be aware of the racial stereotypes that are very hard to get away from.

thanks for your honesty another one of the racist blacks against gentrifies. We cleaned up your city moron.

I'm a NP and find this pp post incredibly insulting. Agreed with the poster who asked who is "we". Our family is a black UMC family who moved into the district in 2011 and renovated our home and have contributed to our neighborhood. We know of a number of other UMC black and mixed families who have done the same. Whites aren't the only relatively new ones investing in DC in the past decade!

I'm the PP in the conversation above questioning why the quite a few posts reasons giving reasons for not considering KIPP (location, amount of structure, length of day, length of style, mission to help low SES kids, etc.) are being interpreted as really intending to say "because the schools are predominantly AA." I think there are a factors to have a useful discussion about here, and reducing it all (unfairly, imo) to racism is not productive.

fwiw, I am not the author of the gentrifier/moron post. That comment is tremendously rude and unhelpful. (I wish that poster had noted that they were a "DP" (or just stayed out of the conversation!

I think we should address racism where appropriate, but not get bogged down in a discussion of it when it is perceived in spite of the actual statements. The gentrifier/moron comment inflames racial sparring rather than promoting fair discussion of the issues.

This forum really needs usernames.

The whole KIPP debate/argument is ridiculous. Upper middle class+ whites and blacks and Hispanics and Asians mostly either live in neighborhoods with better neighborhood schools, or go private. The numbers outside of those options are very small. KIPP/DC Prep are designed as better options in poorer areas with bad neighborhoods schools.

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Both of our kids go to KIPP Lead and we LOVE it! The Principal Love is wonderful, the teachers are caring, diverse, and Excellent, and KIDS are super smart and caring! I am surprised about the lack of diversity in the teaching staff in some DCPS schools--ROSS, MANN, etc. WEIRD.

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We are upper middle class family and send our kids to KIPP. It is about who can teach our kids the BEST. By the way, the kids at KIPP are more studious and respectful than most kids at Ward 2 & 3 schools. My advise, go for a tour and judge it for yourself.

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the same parents who choose Basis would be happy with Kipp at least 3rd-4th grade.

I wouldn't touch Basis with a ten foot poll, so no to Kipp too.

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I tried to look at it last year but Kipp Grow didn't hold an open house or tours or set up a time to meet with me. I couldn't learn about it. My neighbors went there and liked it.

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11:30 and 11:23 are the same poster

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KIPP target low income children of color as their mission. Especially kids who need structure and extended days to catch up to grade level.

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I know lots of people who have taught at KIPP. I don't like the school model but respect that it works for many kids and their families.

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I had a strange conversation when I called a KIPP school many years ago about my rising 6th grader. I was told that there were no slots for 6th grade but that they would take him in 5th grade. Makes you wonder what the heck is going on there.

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Wasn’t a KIPP high school rated higher than Woodrow Wilson in the U.S. News national ranking of schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t a KIPP high school rated higher than Woodrow Wilson in the U.S. News national ranking of schools?

Yes.

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Too much chanting and S-L-A-N-T-ing

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I wouldn't mind sending my kid to a KIPP school, but I wonder if I would be taking a seat from someone who needs it more than my kid.