Teen death at Whitman?

[Anonymous]

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I'm telling my kid to leave parties where kids would get in trouble if the cops come, on grounds that the cops won't necessarily distinguish between kids who were breaking the law and kids who were merely present.

You could tell your kid to stay and ask the cops for a ride home and I guarantee you that your kid is not going to stay. Fleeing when the cops come to bust up these parties is like a reflex action. No one stops to text their parents about it because they are too busy running away.

The point is that the kid should leave BEFORE the cops come.

O.k. gotcha. Your saying that if there is alcohol being served and the party is getting loud and an obvious nuisance, to get out and leave before the cops come.

By the time a party starts to rev up to that level, there are probably already dog walkers and other alert people in the community keeping tabs on the whole thing. Cops may already be on the way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NBC4 played the 911 call from a neighbor - loud music, many kids inside and outside the house, obviously drinking and obviously underage. I think it's safe to conclude no adults were present. It sounds like it had been going on for a long while. Police showed up and everyone left.

I'm willing to bet this kid had way more to drink than he could handle. Report said his friends offered to get him home but he said he was fine. Maybe he thought cutting through the woods was a faster way home. He either fell or passed out and never woke up.

If nothing else, I'll tell my kid this story, talk about judgment and outcomes, and let him know he can always, always call.

He was cutting through the woods to get away from cops who were busting up the party. Who was he going to call in the middle of the woods? Where would he tell someone to meet him?

His friends are obviously lying. Kids were fleeing a party. A bunch ran through the woods. Nobody was negotiating safe rides home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NBC4 played the 911 call from a neighbor - loud music, many kids inside and outside the house, obviously drinking and obviously underage. I think it's safe to conclude no adults were present. It sounds like it had been going on for a long while. Police showed up and everyone left.

I'm willing to bet this kid had way more to drink than he could handle. Report said his friends offered to get him home but he said he was fine. Maybe he thought cutting through the woods was a faster way home. He either fell or passed out and never woke up.

If nothing else, I'll tell my kid this story, talk about judgment and outcomes, and let him know he can always, always call.

He was cutting through the woods to get away from cops who were busting up the party. Who was he going to call in the middle of the woods? Where would he tell someone to meet him?

His friends are obviously lying. Kids were fleeing a party. A bunch ran through the woods. Nobody was negotiating safe rides home.

I don't think they were lying. They had all fled into the woods and were probably talking about what to do/how to get home and they lost track of this kid. They likely assumed that he was going to continue to cut through the woods and get home on foot. They were probably all pretty toasted so their reasoning wasn't the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NBC4 played the 911 call from a neighbor - loud music, many kids inside and outside the house, obviously drinking and obviously underage. I think it's safe to conclude no adults were present. It sounds like it had been going on for a long while. Police showed up and everyone left.

I'm willing to bet this kid had way more to drink than he could handle. Report said his friends offered to get him home but he said he was fine. Maybe he thought cutting through the woods was a faster way home. He either fell or passed out and never woke up.

If nothing else, I'll tell my kid this story, talk about judgment and outcomes, and let him know he can always, always call.

He was cutting through the woods to get away from cops who were busting up the party. Who was he going to call in the middle of the woods? Where would he tell someone to meet him?

His friends are obviously lying. Kids were fleeing a party. A bunch ran through the woods. Nobody was negotiating safe rides home.

I don’t recall anything about a ride. Just that he was with people and told them he was fine on his own.

[Anonymous]

This story is terrifying. I feel awful for this boy’s family. The news suggested diplomatic immunity for the parents of the party house, if it turns out they were home or knew of the party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story is terrifying. I feel awful for this boy’s family. The news suggested diplomatic immunity for the parents of the party house, if it turns out they were home or knew of the party.

Horribly sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NBC4 played the 911 call from a neighbor - loud music, many kids inside and outside the house, obviously drinking and obviously underage. I think it's safe to conclude no adults were present. It sounds like it had been going on for a long while. Police showed up and everyone left.

I'm willing to bet this kid had way more to drink than he could handle. Report said his friends offered to get him home but he said he was fine. Maybe he thought cutting through the woods was a faster way home. He either fell or passed out and never woke up.

If nothing else, I'll tell my kid this story, talk about judgment and outcomes, and let him know he can always, always call.

He was cutting through the woods to get away from cops who were busting up the party. Who was he going to call in the middle of the woods? Where would he tell someone to meet him?

His friends are obviously lying. Kids were fleeing a party. A bunch ran through the woods. Nobody was negotiating safe rides home.

I don't think they were lying. They had all fled into the woods and were probably talking about what to do/how to get home and they lost track of this kid. They likely assumed that he was going to continue to cut through the woods and get home on foot. They were probably all pretty toasted so their reasoning wasn't the best.

Omg, cops broke up a party, kid ran out and froze to death?
Keeping everyone safe, right?
I’ll bet others ran out and got into their cars when they wouldn’t have otherwise too.
Real smart.

Who opened the door?? Next time, kids, don’t open the door. Don’t let the cops in. Stay safe.

[Anonymous]

What time did the cops come?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will most definitely not be the "cool" parent who allows my teen to let his friends drink at our house. Unbelievable how stupid some parents are.

We have no idea what happened here but the lack of a sheltered place to drink possibly combined with fear of a parent finding out about drinking may have been what caused this to happen. Or a kid could have been so drunk they could not get themselves home safely which was far more likely at an unattended party.

Teenagers will drink. And teenagers will have sex.

The challenge is to make sure when they do either they do it responsibly and safely.

You can be self righteous and pretend otherwise but you are far more likely to fail as a parent if you are busy pretending your lecturing is going to keep them safe rather than putting the structure in their lives to minimize the chance of something terrible happening.

What kind of structure would you generally recommend?
(Obviously you need to know your own kid.)

[Anonymous]

So, so sorry for this family that lost a loved one. Also for the friends. Hope they can find some comfort - will be a long, hard road.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Underage kids might be having sex, but they're not buying their own alcohol.

Yes they are. Either they have fake IDs or they are buying at places that don't check. Don't you remember the news story a couple of years ago about the place on Macarthur down the street from GDS that was selling to HS students? Occasionally they might have either legal siblings or siblings with fakes buy it.

I teach HS students and the most common ways I hear them getting their alcohol is:

1. Slipping the cashier $20 at certain sketchy stores to just buy it themselves
2. Fake IDs
3. Paying older siblings/friends to buy it

Rarely do I hear of them stealing from parents. Definitely not whole bottles. They make themselves drinks from their parents’ supply quite often, though.

Who cares what you "hear?"

The FACTS are that under aged drinkers are getting alcohol from parents,

"The finding that high school students who drink usually obtain alcohol from others, potentially including parents and guardians, is consistent with the state-specific relationship between youth and adult drinking (7). Policies affecting adults’ alcohol consumption have also been shown to reduce youth alcohol consumption significantly, and alcohol policies affecting the price and availability of alcohol consumption have been found to have the greatest impact on binge drinking by adults (8)."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6618a4.htm

Parents are failing kids by buying them alcohol. Binge drinkers aren't splitting a six pack behind the 7-11, they're getting drunk off their asses from alcohol provided by adults at parties.

NP. Dude, no. (Why did you go to the CDC for this??) I went to HS in this area within the past 15 years, as did my siblings...I can tell you EXACTLY what's happening: they're either getting older siblings to buy it, or they're going to certain stores where they don't ID. There are definitely some parents who have a 'they're going to do it anyways, I might as well provide a safe venue and take their keys' mentality - I found these are gennnerally families with multiple kids, where their younger kids are now in HS. They're not BUYING it for them, though.

[Anonymous]

Some kids do use their parents alcohol.
Question is, how to curb the tragic endings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NBC4 played the 911 call from a neighbor - loud music, many kids inside and outside the house, obviously drinking and obviously underage. I think it's safe to conclude no adults were present. It sounds like it had been going on for a long while. Police showed up and everyone left.

I'm willing to bet this kid had way more to drink than he could handle. Report said his friends offered to get him home but he said he was fine. Maybe he thought cutting through the woods was a faster way home. He either fell or passed out and never woke up.

If nothing else, I'll tell my kid this story, talk about judgment and outcomes, and let him know he can always, always call.

He was cutting through the woods to get away from cops who were busting up the party. Who was he going to call in the middle of the woods? Where would he tell someone to meet him?

His friends are obviously lying. Kids were fleeing a party. A bunch ran through the woods. Nobody was negotiating safe rides home.

I don't think they were lying. They had all fled into the woods and were probably talking about what to do/how to get home and they lost track of this kid. They likely assumed that he was going to continue to cut through the woods and get home on foot. They were probably all pretty toasted so their reasoning wasn't the best.

Omg, cops broke up a party, kid ran out and froze to death?
Keeping everyone safe, right?
I’ll bet others ran out and got into their cars when they wouldn’t have otherwise too.
Real smart.

Who opened the door?? Next time, kids, don’t open the door. Don’t let the cops in. Stay safe.

Oh, you sweet summer child! Don’t you realize how much worse not opening the door for the cops makes it? They are going to call for back up and surround the place. Everyone is going to be cited for possession (because you can’t even be in same room with it underage unless with your parent). Then everyone not drunk is going to be released to their parents if under 18. The rest will probably end up held.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NBC4 played the 911 call from a neighbor - loud music, many kids inside and outside the house, obviously drinking and obviously underage. I think it's safe to conclude no adults were present. It sounds like it had been going on for a long while. Police showed up and everyone left.

I'm willing to bet this kid had way more to drink than he could handle. Report said his friends offered to get him home but he said he was fine. Maybe he thought cutting through the woods was a faster way home. He either fell or passed out and never woke up.

If nothing else, I'll tell my kid this story, talk about judgment and outcomes, and let him know he can always, always call.

He was cutting through the woods to get away from cops who were busting up the party. Who was he going to call in the middle of the woods? Where would he tell someone to meet him?

His friends are obviously lying. Kids were fleeing a party. A bunch ran through the woods. Nobody was negotiating safe rides home.

I don't think they were lying. They had all fled into the woods and were probably talking about what to do/how to get home and they lost track of this kid. They likely assumed that he was going to continue to cut through the woods and get home on foot. They were probably all pretty toasted so their reasoning wasn't the best.

Omg, cops broke up a party, kid ran out and froze to death?
Keeping everyone safe, right?
I’ll bet others ran out and got into their cars when they wouldn’t have otherwise too.
Real smart.

Who opened the door?? Next time, kids, don’t open the door. Don’t let the cops in. Stay safe.

Cops did their job. They broke up an illegal underage drinking party. If drunk drivers ran to their cars and took off in them (stupid!), hopefully there were other cops waiting to pull them over as they exited the neighborhood. It is a tragedy that one kid died but allowing that party to go on could have led to even more senseless deaths with car crashes, alcohol poisoning, etc.

There is a reason that teenage drinking is illegal.

[Anonymous]

The parents left a house in the hands of a teenager who in turn had a party and it resulted indirectly in a death. Yet those parents will get off free and so will the child who thru the party. How can parents be so stupid?