Teen death at Whitman?

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Anonymous wrote:The part that does not add up is him declining an Uber ride with friends to presumably walk home from the 7-11, which is a 45 minute walk on a freezing cold Saturday night.

I'm confused. Now his friends are saying that they left him in the 7-11 parking lot and took an Uber home which the boy declined? From there he presumably walked alone to the woods near the swimming club, fell in the little pond and drowned face up?

Thanks, Sherlock, but there is actually a private liquar store on River in MoCo; in fact, it was where we bought our liquor underage 30 years ago. I'll not name it because there are probably other places to buy as well. I can think of several non-ABC stores in the Bethesda area.

I bet you there's no. I've lived in MoCo all my life. The only stores which may sell _liquor_ (as opposed to wine and beer) are the MoCo official stores run by the DLC. You may be referring to Talbert's on River Road, but they can only sell beer and wine but not liquor.

There is no private retail establishment selling liquor in MoCo. I challenge you to name one.

There are many adults who call beer and wine stores "liqour stores". It's either out of ignorance or that they buy their liquor in the District.

Fair enough, but the newspaper stories state the boy had a bottle of _vodka_ so her definitely wasn't buying it from a privately-owner retailer in MoCo -- they aren't allowed to sell it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

Your anti-diplomat rant doesn't comport with reports saying that it was the host parents who broke up the party when they realized there was alcohol.

They broke up the party when police called, in fact, shortly before the police knocked on their door. My DD is friends with an ambassador's kid who hosts the most incredibly unsupervised parties where pot and alcohol are abundant. DD is no longer allowed at this person's house, period. The parents have a very cavalier attitude about alcohol use and I simply cannot tolerate the lax European attitude. Diplomatic immunity is a huge deal, whether you want to accept it or not. In fact when this particular family moved here the first thing they got was an instructional session on what they are protected from, both children and parents. How do I know this? When this particular friend was at our dinner table as a guest DC proudly spouted off about the information given to her and how she could probably get our DC off from anything as long as they were together. Diplomatic immunity is a problem in this area, this is NOT a rant. Not np.

You have a very naive view of diplomatic immunity. People do get expelled from countries and often serve jail time, e.g.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/former-russian-diplomat-guilty-of-involuntary-manslaughter-1.313443
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/mar/1/20020301-040616-9218r/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

Your anti-diplomat rant doesn't comport with reports saying that it was the host parents who broke up the party when they realized there was alcohol.

They broke up the party when police called, in fact, shortly before the police knocked on their door. My DD is friends with an ambassador's kid who hosts the most incredibly unsupervised parties where pot and alcohol are abundant. DD is no longer allowed at this person's house, period. The parents have a very cavalier attitude about alcohol use and I simply cannot tolerate the lax European attitude. Diplomatic immunity is a huge deal, whether you want to accept it or not. In fact when this particular family moved here the first thing they got was an instructional session on what they are protected from, both children and parents. How do I know this? When this particular friend was at our dinner table as a guest DC proudly spouted off about the information given to her and how she could probably get our DC off from anything as long as they were together. Diplomatic immunity is a problem in this area, this is NOT a rant. Not np.

But.. it's not. I went to Whitman and had a number of friends who were children of ambassadors, and others whose parents were diplomats (not the ambassador). Yes, the house is diplomatic property and MoCo police aren't going to raid it, but this just isn't that common. First, there are only 175 diplomatic missions in DC. Then, about half of those are from big enough countries where the ambassador's residence is official and has full-time house staff and often security too. It's pretty hard to pull off an unsupervised teen house party there. Next, how many diplomats actually have teenaged children? Even a place like Bethesda, where there are a lot of diplomats (I live here. 4 on my street).. it's still just not that many number-wise. Whitman has < 5% of all students who are diplomats. I find it hard to believe that the problems are all coming from this 5% and not the 95%.

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DC is a fifteen minute drive for some of these kids and it’s not prents buying them liquor, fake ids are extremely common nowadays

Fake IDs are much less common now than when I was in high school 20 years ago. The reason is that the 9/11 hijackers used fake driver's licenses, and the Fed gov't required all states to comply with more secure ID requirements (Real ID Act, passed in 2005). It's a LOT harder to produce a fake ID now. It wasn't made difficult to stop teenagers from buying alcohol, but to stop terrorists from boarding planes.

This is laughable. You have no idea what you are talking about.

So it's easier to produce a fake ID now, with barcodes and holograms etched into plastic, then back when it was a laminated piece of paper?

NP. So there are certain stores that are known for being very lenient with IDs - you go in and they know you're not 21, and you know they know you're giving them a crappy (out of state) fake, but they accept it because there's a lot of business to be gained from this particular market. These are, in general, not super high quality fakes that would get you into Georgetown bars / let you through TSA

[Anonymous]

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DC is a fifteen minute drive for some of these kids and it’s not prents buying them liquor, fake ids are extremely common nowadays

Fake IDs are much less common now than when I was in high school 20 years ago. The reason is that the 9/11 hijackers used fake driver's licenses, and the Fed gov't required all states to comply with more secure ID requirements (Real ID Act, passed in 2005). It's a LOT harder to produce a fake ID now. It wasn't made difficult to stop teenagers from buying alcohol, but to stop terrorists from boarding planes.

absolutely not true whatsoever

idgod.ph is a legit company in china making millions each year selling fake ids.

reddit.com/r/fakeid has websites to order ids from. the us government has other things to focus on, underage drinking is not a huge concern for them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

Your anti-diplomat rant doesn't comport with reports saying that it was the host parents who broke up the party when they realized there was alcohol.

They broke up the party when police called, in fact, shortly before the police knocked on their door. My DD is friends with an ambassador's kid who hosts the most incredibly unsupervised parties where pot and alcohol are abundant. DD is no longer allowed at this person's house, period. The parents have a very cavalier attitude about alcohol use and I simply cannot tolerate the lax European attitude. Diplomatic immunity is a huge deal, whether you want to accept it or not. In fact when this particular family moved here the first thing they got was an instructional session on what they are protected from, both children and parents. How do I know this? When this particular friend was at our dinner table as a guest DC proudly spouted off about the information given to her and how she could probably get our DC off from anything as long as they were together. Diplomatic immunity is a problem in this area, this is NOT a rant. Not np.

You have a very naive view of diplomatic immunity. People do get expelled from countries and often serve jail time, e.g.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/former-russian-diplomat-guilty-of-involuntary-manslaughter-1.313443
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/mar/1/20020301-040616-9218r/

as someone who graduated from whitman within the last 3 year’s let me tell you this is spot on. obviously non diplomats host parties sometimes but diplomats repeatedly host and the parents often times drink with the kids

[Anonymous]

We know that community pool area where navid was eventually found. Slippery little bridge over a little cement aqueduct that everyone slips off of. He easily could have been walking over it or down the dark ditch, slipped and knocked himself out, physically. Cold night.
Location was 5 mins from the party and not even across river road where his house was (15 min walk+).

This really could have been a terrible terrible accident. The whole neighborhood was looking once the list serv got activated.

If only some dog out for a nighttime walk would have found him early on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

No, some of this is wrong information. The woods where Navid was found were in the OPPOSITE direction of his house. He wasn't attempting to walk home. Or, if he was, he was extremely disoriented. He lived on Radnor Road. That is on the other side of RIVER ROAD so even if it was a 20 minute walk, he would have had to cross a 4 lane highway where cars go 65 mph. That road is not anywhere close to deserted at 11 pm. Instead, he was heading south toward Macarthur. I don't understand why no one has brought this up. He was supposed to cross RIVER ROAD???? Also, he did not die of hypothermia. He most likely died of drowning as suggested by the autopsy in the police report.

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Drowning COD implies he injured himself badly and instantly, was unconscious and landed in the little creek water (making himself even colder faster on a 30F night).
So sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

No, some of this is wrong information. The woods where Navid was found were in the OPPOSITE direction of his house. He wasn't attempting to walk home. Or, if he was, he was extremely disoriented. He lived on Radnor Road. That is on the other side of RIVER ROAD so even if it was a 20 minute walk, he would have had to cross a 4 lane highway where cars go 65 mph. That road is not anywhere close to deserted at 11 pm. Instead, he was heading south toward Macarthur. I don't understand why no one has brought this up. He was supposed to cross RIVER ROAD???? Also, he did not die of hypothermia. He most likely died of drowning as suggested by the autopsy in the police report.

The speed limit on River Road is 45mph. The place where he would have likely crossed (by Pyle Road) has a marked crosswalk, and it is at the top of a hill so drivers coming both directions have good visibility to pedestrians, and likewise pedestrians of oncoming drivers. It's not the safest crossing, but it's not that bad. It's certainly not like a game of Frogger on the beltway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

No, some of this is wrong information. The woods where Navid was found were in the OPPOSITE direction of his house. He wasn't attempting to walk home. Or, if he was, he was extremely disoriented. He lived on Radnor Road. That is on the other side of RIVER ROAD so even if it was a 20 minute walk, he would have had to cross a 4 lane highway where cars go 65 mph. That road is not anywhere close to deserted at 11 pm. Instead, he was heading south toward Macarthur. I don't understand why no one has brought this up. He was supposed to cross RIVER ROAD???? Also, he did not die of hypothermia. He most likely died of drowning as suggested by the autopsy in the police report.

just so you know river road isn’t actually a river it’s just a normal street

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

No, some of this is wrong information. The woods where Navid was found were in the OPPOSITE direction of his house. He wasn't attempting to walk home. Or, if he was, he was extremely disoriented. He lived on Radnor Road. That is on the other side of RIVER ROAD so even if it was a 20 minute walk, he would have had to cross a 4 lane highway where cars go 65 mph. That road is not anywhere close to deserted at 11 pm. Instead, he was heading south toward Macarthur. I don't understand why no one has brought this up. He was supposed to cross RIVER ROAD???? Also, he did not die of hypothermia. He most likely died of drowning as suggested by the autopsy in the police report.

The speed limit on River Road is 45mph. The place where he would have likely crossed (by Pyle Road) has a marked crosswalk, and it is at the top of a hill so drivers coming both directions have good visibility to pedestrians, and likewise pedestrians of oncoming drivers. It's not the safest crossing, but it's not that bad. It's certainly not like a game of Frogger on the beltway.

The speed limit may be 45 but that certainly doesn't mean that all cars go 45. That crossing is extremely dangerous. Multiple accidents have occurred when cars didn't stop for pedestrians or when one car stopped and another didn't and so they crashed into one another. People have almost gotten killed and in fact various pedestrians have been hit there including recently a biker. If its dangerous for cars to cross (nearby was where the major accident happened), just think how dangerous it is for pedestrians. Also, he was DRUNK at this point which obviously makes it so much worse.