Teen death at Whitman?

[Anonymous]

Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The part that does not add up is him declining an Uber ride with friends to presumably walk home from the 7-11, which is a 45 minute walk on a freezing cold Saturday night.

I'm confused. Now his friends are saying that they left him in the 7-11 parking lot and took an Uber home which the boy declined? From there he presumably walked alone to the woods near the swimming club, fell in the little pond and drowned face up?

Thanks, Sherlock, but there is actually a private liquar store on River in MoCo; in fact, it was where we bought our liquor underage 30 years ago. I'll not name it because there are probably other places to buy as well. I can think of several non-ABC stores in the Bethesda area.

I bet you there's no. I've lived in MoCo all my life. The only stores which may sell _liquor_ (as opposed to wine and beer) are the MoCo official stores run by the DLC. You may be referring to Talbert's on River Road, but they can only sell beer and wine but not liquor.

There is no private retail establishment selling liquor in MoCo. I challenge you to name one.

These kids are not walking they can drive anywhere that has s reputation for selling liquor.

DC is a fifteen minute drive for some of these kids and it’s not prents buying them liquor, fake ids are extremely common nowadays

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The part that does not add up is him declining an Uber ride with friends to presumably walk home from the 7-11, which is a 45 minute walk on a freezing cold Saturday night.

I'm confused. Now his friends are saying that they left him in the 7-11 parking lot and took an Uber home which the boy declined? From there he presumably walked alone to the woods near the swimming club, fell in the little pond and drowned face up?

Thanks, Sherlock, but there is actually a private liquar store on River in MoCo; in fact, it was where we bought our liquor underage 30 years ago. I'll not name it because there are probably other places to buy as well. I can think of several non-ABC stores in the Bethesda area.

I bet you there's no. I've lived in MoCo all my life. The only stores which may sell _liquor_ (as opposed to wine and beer) are the MoCo official stores run by the DLC. You may be referring to Talbert's on River Road, but they can only sell beer and wine but not liquor.

There is no private retail establishment selling liquor in MoCo. I challenge you to name one.

Not the PP but there is a state liquor store on River Road about 5 miles from where the party was. So, yeah, I can totally see kids driving 5 miles to check out a store rumored not to check IDs.

[Anonymous]

Time for cops to do a sting.

[Anonymous]

Actually, Sherlock there isn't. Give the name and address.

10132 River Road, Potomac, MD 20854

[Anonymous]

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DC is a fifteen minute drive for some of these kids and it’s not prents buying them liquor, fake ids are extremely common nowadays

Fake IDs are much less common now than when I was in high school 20 years ago. The reason is that the 9/11 hijackers used fake driver's licenses, and the Fed gov't required all states to comply with more secure ID requirements (Real ID Act, passed in 2005). It's a LOT harder to produce a fake ID now. It wasn't made difficult to stop teenagers from buying alcohol, but to stop terrorists from boarding planes.

[Anonymous]

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Actually, Sherlock there isn't. Give the name and address.

10132 River Road, Potomac, MD 20854

Potomac Village? You gotta be kidding! That's a county store. No way teenagers are buying booze there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Actually, Sherlock there isn't. Give the name and address.

10132 River Road, Potomac, MD 20854

Potomac Village? You gotta be kidding! That's a county store. No way teenagers are buying booze there.

A PP argued that the dad's story was sketchy/inconsistent because he thought his son got vodka at a liquor store on River Road. Someone else (maybe you?) argued there IS no liquor store on River Road.

Now, whether or not a grieving dad is correct about where his son got liquor is not really the point. The point is that he may be wrong, but he isn't lying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The part that does not add up is him declining an Uber ride with friends to presumably walk home from the 7-11, which is a 45 minute walk on a freezing cold Saturday night.

I'm confused. Now his friends are saying that they left him in the 7-11 parking lot and took an Uber home which the boy declined? From there he presumably walked alone to the woods near the swimming club, fell in the little pond and drowned face up?

Thanks, Sherlock, but there is actually a private liquar store on River in MoCo; in fact, it was where we bought our liquor underage 30 years ago. I'll not name it because there are probably other places to buy as well. I can think of several non-ABC stores in the Bethesda area.

I bet you there's no. I've lived in MoCo all my life. The only stores which may sell _liquor_ (as opposed to wine and beer) are the MoCo official stores run by the DLC. You may be referring to Talbert's on River Road, but they can only sell beer and wine but not liquor.

There is no private retail establishment selling liquor in MoCo. I challenge you to name one.

Not the PP but there is a state liquor store on River Road about 5 miles from where the party was. So, yeah, I can totally see kids driving 5 miles to check out a store rumored not to check IDs.

That's the county liquor store in Potomac Village. If there is one place that will definitely check IDs, it's the county liquor stores. In fact, it's even their policy to ID everyone:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/dlc/carding/

I'm in my 40s and they always card me -- they have to.

When I went to Whitman, if you wanted to get alcohol and use a fake ID, you'd go to a smaller place in DC, or a smaller place in MoCo (but then you can only get beer and wine). You'd _never_ go to the county liquor store -- guaranteed to get carded and probably the cops called too if you try to use a fake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

Your anti-diplomat rant doesn't comport with reports saying that it was the host parents who broke up the party when they realized there was alcohol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Actually, Sherlock there isn't. Give the name and address.

10132 River Road, Potomac, MD 20854

Potomac Village? You gotta be kidding! That's a county store. No way teenagers are buying booze there.

A PP argued that the dad's story was sketchy/inconsistent because he thought his son got vodka at a liquor store on River Road. Someone else (maybe you?) argued there IS no liquor store on River Road.

Now, whether or not a grieving dad is correct about where his son got liquor is not really the point. The point is that he may be wrong, but he isn't lying.

I agree the father isn't intentionally lying. He's making guesses (based on an ATM withdrawal location of $20 that night) as to how his son got alcohol. A much more likely explanation is either he got it from an older friend or friend's older sibling. I don't see even the liquor stores in nearby NW DC taking a fake ID. There's too much scrutiny around there and it's just not worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DC is a fifteen minute drive for some of these kids and it’s not prents buying them liquor, fake ids are extremely common nowadays

Fake IDs are much less common now than when I was in high school 20 years ago. The reason is that the 9/11 hijackers used fake driver's licenses, and the Fed gov't required all states to comply with more secure ID requirements (Real ID Act, passed in 2005). It's a LOT harder to produce a fake ID now. It wasn't made difficult to stop teenagers from buying alcohol, but to stop terrorists from boarding planes.

This is laughable. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DC is a fifteen minute drive for some of these kids and it’s not prents buying them liquor, fake ids are extremely common nowadays

Fake IDs are much less common now than when I was in high school 20 years ago. The reason is that the 9/11 hijackers used fake driver's licenses, and the Fed gov't required all states to comply with more secure ID requirements (Real ID Act, passed in 2005). It's a LOT harder to produce a fake ID now. It wasn't made difficult to stop teenagers from buying alcohol, but to stop terrorists from boarding planes.

This is laughable. You have no idea what you are talking about.

So it's easier to produce a fake ID now, with barcodes and holograms etched into plastic, then back when it was a laminated piece of paper?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The part that does not add up is him declining an Uber ride with friends to presumably walk home from the 7-11, which is a 45 minute walk on a freezing cold Saturday night.

I'm confused. Now his friends are saying that they left him in the 7-11 parking lot and took an Uber home which the boy declined? From there he presumably walked alone to the woods near the swimming club, fell in the little pond and drowned face up?

Thanks, Sherlock, but there is actually a private liquar store on River in MoCo; in fact, it was where we bought our liquor underage 30 years ago. I'll not name it because there are probably other places to buy as well. I can think of several non-ABC stores in the Bethesda area.

I bet you there's no. I've lived in MoCo all my life. The only stores which may sell _liquor_ (as opposed to wine and beer) are the MoCo official stores run by the DLC. You may be referring to Talbert's on River Road, but they can only sell beer and wine but not liquor.

There is no private retail establishment selling liquor in MoCo. I challenge you to name one.

There are many adults who call beer and wine stores "liqour stores". It's either out of ignorance or that they buy their liquor in the District.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone knows here is the full story of what happened. It was a whitman party hosted at another whitman students house. Once the party got busted Navid attempted to walk home to his house that was a mere 20 minutes from the party house. He cut through woods at some point and passed out, then died to hypothermia that night. His friends offered him rides home and he walked home part way with two of his other friends until they each went their seperate ways to their houses. It was a tragic accident but the boys were attempting to be responsible and if anyone is to blame it’s the diplomats parents. B-cc/Whitman both commonly have parties hosted by diplomats and nobody gets in trouble because they have diplomatic immunity so they repeatedly host parties

Your anti-diplomat rant doesn't comport with reports saying that it was the host parents who broke up the party when they realized there was alcohol.

They broke up the party when police called, in fact, shortly before the police knocked on their door. My DD is friends with an ambassador's kid who hosts the most incredibly unsupervised parties where pot and alcohol are abundant. DD is no longer allowed at this person's house, period. The parents have a very cavalier attitude about alcohol use and I simply cannot tolerate the lax European attitude. Diplomatic immunity is a huge deal, whether you want to accept it or not. In fact when this particular family moved here the first thing they got was an instructional session on what they are protected from, both children and parents. How do I know this? When this particular friend was at our dinner table as a guest DC proudly spouted off about the information given to her and how she could probably get our DC off from anything as long as they were together. Diplomatic immunity is a problem in this area, this is NOT a rant. Not np.