Dr Sneha Philip mystery - did she die in 9/11 attacks?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think she just went missing...she could have died in the attacks. Not that interesting either way.

She was a doctor. She was married and staying out all night with women, going to gay bars. Her life is going off the rails, she lost a job and had alcohol trouble. She had a court hearing that day r/t allegations she made against another resident. She was acussed of lying about that. Then there is the post on postsecret that is rumoured to be her stating that "everyone who knew me before 9/11 thinks I'm dead."

I remember reading that postsecret and it gave me chills. I didn't know anything of this story until reading it today, but that would be a heck of a connection.

I listened to a podcast recently where an expert in disappearing said that there are probably close to a hundred or so people who "died" on 9/11 but are living elsewhere under new identities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I truly don't understand the decision to take her off the list.

Reason for taking her off the list:
- She wasn't seen since 9/10. This can be somewhat disregarded due to the schedules she and her husband worked, and the fact that her social patterns indicated a history of her not returning home each night.

Reasons for putting her on the list:
- It seems she was in the lobby and left upon hearing a sound (those times on the cameras are never right, surely, she left when she heard commotion outside...the tower being hit or people screaming or a very low plane)
- She was a doctor, and many other doctors ran to help
- She lived 2 blocks from WTC and as a result could have been checking out the scene, walking past, or providing aid on the site when the tower(s) collapsed

Strange to remove her from the list just because she didn't come home. She could have been anywhere in NYC that night, or could have been with someone else and that someone could be afraid or embarrassed to say she was with them (drugs, they are married, in the closet, fear of being a suspect) and figure it's just best for them to keep quiet.

Really? there is absolutely zero evidence she was at the wtc, everything you listed is nothing more than idle speculation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even before the buildings collapsed, there was debris falling from the buildings and people jumping out of the windows. I'm just not seeing how a triage area would have been set up so close to the buildings.

Maybe someone who was there can explain it better.

My Dh was a medical resident during the 9/11 attack and he was one of the many doctors/nurses/EMTs that literally rushed directly to the site as soon as it happened.

He worked all night in a triage that was set up there, thankfully not in the line of the debris.

So yes, triage areas were set up everywhere. The the other poster asking how far medical personnel were allowed to enter by the NYPD- during the immediate occurrence they were allowed anywhere.

This was a disaster that was unprecedented, no one knew exactly what to do so in a tragedy like this doctors and nurses are absolutely allowed to help where it's necessary. And no one knew the building would collapse or that another building would also be struck. It was chaos. Scary, tragic, chaos.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

It seems to add up that she died in the WTC. I'm always a fan of the simplest explanation and this seems totally in line with what a doctor who lives two blocks from the WTC would react. I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I distinctively remember doctors and nurses running TOWARD the WTC site in their scrubs to go assist.

What happened to the clothes from Century 21? They were never for her, she bought them as a gift for someone else and left them at the apartment of this other person. This person may have also been cheating on their spouse, so they never came forward to admit spending time with Sneha. Or, perhaps, they also died in 9/11 so there is no after-the-fact corroboration of Sneha's whereabouts on the night of the 10th.

Also, I believe the husband regarding the voicemail. I got my very first cell phone the summer of 2001. I would frequently call my cell phone number then hit "#" to check the voicemail box remotely. I did it all the time from my home phone or my office phone. Why? Because my plan only had 200 voice minutes per month and it would deplete those to check voicemail! So I'd use a landline to check voicemail whenever possible.

She had a friend getting married soon so she could have bought the lingerie and the linens as a bridal shower gift for her friend. Maybe she left those items with the friend that she met up with at the shopping center?

I agree with the cell phone thing. I also don't think that it's that weird that an ER doctor would use his home phone to check his cellphone for messages back in 2001.

The timing of seeing the woman who looked like Sneha in the apartment lobby video matching up so closely with the first plane hitting the Trade Center....it does sound like she may have run over to see if she could help. I'm not seeing her going into the building and attempting to rescue people, though. Wouldn't she have stayed outside to offer assistance to people running out of and being carried out of the building? And if she was outside the building, wouldn't they have found her body?

No, the building itself collapsed of the WTC's "pedestal" (aka the pedestrian plaza between the two buildings). Anyone on the ground outside the WTC would have been crushed by the collapsing building and falling debris. The fires were so hot in that debris that her body would have been incinerated.

The most likely scenario is that she was rendering first aid on the ground of the pedestal or in the lobby of one of the Towers. Then, upon collapse, she was either killed instantly or trapped (until the second Tower fell). She was too small to enter the building and carry anyone.

As a NY'er who lived through 9/11, I can say that none of us expected the Towers to fall. All of us were in shock as the Towers collapsed, people on the street gasped in horror as it happened (I made it to Union Square as I watched the 2nd tower collapse). So she probably didn't even consider that she was in danger as she rendered medical aid to injured victims.

As the New York Magazine article alludes, they still had hundreds of pieces of unidentified jewelry and DNA evidence to test so there may be more definitive evidence emerge.

Furthermore, Sneha's name appears on the 9/11 Memorial. So she has been recognized.

I can't even imagine the horror of seeing that happen in person. I know that I was watching the whole thing unfold on t.v. my mind couldn't quite grasp what my eyes were seeing.

Were there a lot of people standing up close to the building when it collapsed? Were other doctors and nurses rendering medical aid killed? I remember the horror on the faces of onlookers as the tower collapsed and they realized that the enormous dust and debris cloud was coming right at them. It was probably the most terrifying thing that I've ever witnessed.

Yes. The vast majority of NYFD, NYPD, and Port Authority officers killed were in the lobby of the building or only a few floors up from ground level. The lobby served as the command post for the WTC, many were stationed there while trying to give instructions to arriving first responders. So many people were fleeing via the stairs of the Towers that it was difficult for first responders to climb up, especially with their heavy equipment. I think the highest floor first responders climbed to was around the 59th floor (out of 110+ floors). And it took them 45-50 minutes to climb that high.

I'm just not seeing the NYFD, NYPD and the Port Authority not telling a bystander like Sneha to get out and away from the building well before they collapsed.

I guess the question is, how far could a bystander, even a medically trained bystander, get to the buildings on that day?

There was no tape blocking out the section of the attack in the immediate moments of the attack. Anyone could get anywhere, everyone was running everywhere. If you wanted to help, the police who were already overwhelmed, weren't going to stop you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even before the buildings collapsed, there was debris falling from the buildings and people jumping out of the windows. I'm just not seeing how a triage area would have been set up so close to the buildings.

Maybe someone who was there can explain it better.

My Dh was a medical resident during the 9/11 attack and he was one of the many doctors/nurses/EMTs that literally rushed directly to the site as soon as it happened.

He worked all night in a triage that was set up there, thankfully not in the line of the debris.

So yes, triage areas were set up everywhere. The the other poster asking how far medical personnel were allowed to enter by the NYPD- during the immediate occurrence they were allowed anywhere.

This was a disaster that was unprecedented, no one knew exactly what to do so in a tragedy like this doctors and nurses are absolutely allowed to help where it's necessary. And no one knew the building would collapse or that another building would also be struck. It was chaos. Scary, tragic, chaos.

I think that my point was that anywhere in the immediate vicinity of those buildings would have been within the line of debris. As the fire progressed and the situation deteriorated, things were falling off the buildings, people were jumping, the smoke was getting thicker. I would expect that police and fire dept advised medical people to get back and that they told them to set up triage areas away from the buildings. I really doubt that Sneha or any other doctor/nurse/emt would have been allowed to remain inside the lobby area of a building that is on fire or even directly outside the building.

I do realize that no one was expecting the buildings to collapse and that they might have been advised to back even farther away if an imminent collapse was anticipated.

Were there groups in triage areas believed to have been killed when the towers fell?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even before the buildings collapsed, there was debris falling from the buildings and people jumping out of the windows. I'm just not seeing how a triage area would have been set up so close to the buildings.

Maybe someone who was there can explain it better.

My Dh was a medical resident during the 9/11 attack and he was one of the many doctors/nurses/EMTs that literally rushed directly to the site as soon as it happened.

He worked all night in a triage that was set up there, thankfully not in the line of the debris.

So yes, triage areas were set up everywhere. The the other poster asking how far medical personnel were allowed to enter by the NYPD- during the immediate occurrence they were allowed anywhere.

This was a disaster that was unprecedented, no one knew exactly what to do so in a tragedy like this doctors and nurses are absolutely allowed to help where it's necessary. And no one knew the building would collapse or that another building would also be struck. It was chaos. Scary, tragic, chaos.
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I hoghly doibt this as there were zero medical doctors or niurses known to be killed at the wtc.

My husband is a doctor at a large urban hospital, in a terroist attack or other mass casualty event, they are instructed to report to the hospital for duty. Doctors are not considered first responders

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

It seems to add up that she died in the WTC. I'm always a fan of the simplest explanation and this seems totally in line with what a doctor who lives two blocks from the WTC would react. I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I distinctively remember doctors and nurses running TOWARD the WTC site in their scrubs to go assist.

What happened to the clothes from Century 21? They were never for her, she bought them as a gift for someone else and left them at the apartment of this other person. This person may have also been cheating on their spouse, so they never came forward to admit spending time with Sneha. Or, perhaps, they also died in 9/11 so there is no after-the-fact corroboration of Sneha's whereabouts on the night of the 10th.

Also, I believe the husband regarding the voicemail. I got my very first cell phone the summer of 2001. I would frequently call my cell phone number then hit "#" to check the voicemail box remotely. I did it all the time from my home phone or my office phone. Why? Because my plan only had 200 voice minutes per month and it would deplete those to check voicemail! So I'd use a landline to check voicemail whenever possible.

She had a friend getting married soon so she could have bought the lingerie and the linens as a bridal shower gift for her friend. Maybe she left those items with the friend that she met up with at the shopping center?

I agree with the cell phone thing. I also don't think that it's that weird that an ER doctor would use his home phone to check his cellphone for messages back in 2001.

The timing of seeing the woman who looked like Sneha in the apartment lobby video matching up so closely with the first plane hitting the Trade Center....it does sound like she may have run over to see if she could help. I'm not seeing her going into the building and attempting to rescue people, though. Wouldn't she have stayed outside to offer assistance to people running out of and being carried out of the building? And if she was outside the building, wouldn't they have found her body?

No, the building itself collapsed of the WTC's "pedestal" (aka the pedestrian plaza between the two buildings). Anyone on the ground outside the WTC would have been crushed by the collapsing building and falling debris. The fires were so hot in that debris that her body would have been incinerated.

The most likely scenario is that she was rendering first aid on the ground of the pedestal or in the lobby of one of the Towers. Then, upon collapse, she was either killed instantly or trapped (until the second Tower fell). She was too small to enter the building and carry anyone.

As a NY'er who lived through 9/11, I can say that none of us expected the Towers to fall. All of us were in shock as the Towers collapsed, people on the street gasped in horror as it happened (I made it to Union Square as I watched the 2nd tower collapse). So she probably didn't even consider that she was in danger as she rendered medical aid to injured victims.

As the New York Magazine article alludes, they still had hundreds of pieces of unidentified jewelry and DNA evidence to test so there may be more definitive evidence emerge.

Furthermore, Sneha's name appears on the 9/11 Memorial. So she has been recognized.

I can't even imagine the horror of seeing that happen in person. I know that I was watching the whole thing unfold on t.v. my mind couldn't quite grasp what my eyes were seeing.

Were there a lot of people standing up close to the building when it collapsed? Were other doctors and nurses rendering medical aid killed? I remember the horror on the faces of onlookers as the tower collapsed and they realized that the enormous dust and debris cloud was coming right at them. It was probably the most terrifying thing that I've ever witnessed.

Yes. The vast majority of NYFD, NYPD, and Port Authority officers killed were in the lobby of the building or only a few floors up from ground level. The lobby served as the command post for the WTC, many were stationed there while trying to give instructions to arriving first responders. So many people were fleeing via the stairs of the Towers that it was difficult for first responders to climb up, especially with their heavy equipment. I think the highest floor first responders climbed to was around the 59th floor (out of 110+ floors). And it took them 45-50 minutes to climb that high.

I'm just not seeing the NYFD, NYPD and the Port Authority not telling a bystander like Sneha to get out and away from the building well before they collapsed.

I guess the question is, how far could a bystander, even a medically trained bystander, get to the buildings on that day?

There was no tape blocking out the section of the attack in the immediate moments of the attack. Anyone could get anywhere, everyone was running everywhere. If you wanted to help, the police who were already overwhelmed, weren't going to stop you.

Yes, in the immediate moments of the attack I'm sure that people were running to the scene and that there was complete chaos. But after a point, the NYPD, NYFD arrived and began to get control of the scene. As chaotic as the events were, I highly doubt that they were not immediately trying to get the bystanders near the building to a safer location.

If Sneha had been treating people in the lobby, NYPD or NYFD would have told her to get out and away from the building.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I truly don't understand the decision to take her off the list.

Reason for taking her off the list:
- She wasn't seen since 9/10. This can be somewhat disregarded due to the schedules she and her husband worked, and the fact that her social patterns indicated a history of her not returning home each night.

Reasons for putting her on the list:
- It seems she was in the lobby and left upon hearing a sound (those times on the cameras are never right, surely, she left when she heard commotion outside...the tower being hit or people screaming or a very low plane)
- She was a doctor, and many other doctors ran to help
- She lived 2 blocks from WTC and as a result could have been checking out the scene, walking past, or providing aid on the site when the tower(s) collapsed

Strange to remove her from the list just because she didn't come home. She could have been anywhere in NYC that night, or could have been with someone else and that someone could be afraid or embarrassed to say she was with them (drugs, they are married, in the closet, fear of being a suspect) and figure it's just best for them to keep quiet.

Really? there is absolutely zero evidence she was at the wtc, everything you listed is nothing more than idle speculation.

Agreed. Anything is possible, whether it be the most off the wall, or the most feasible. There is no absolute evidence she was anywhere at all, other than the last confirmed place: the store she was seen on camera and used the AMEX at. After that, anything is up for speculation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think she just went missing...she could have died in the attacks. Not that interesting either way.

She was a doctor. She was married and staying out all night with women, going to gay bars. Her life is going off the rails, she lost a job and had alcohol trouble. She had a court hearing that day r/t allegations she made against another resident. She was acussed of lying about that. Then there is the post on postsecret that is rumoured to be her stating that "everyone who knew me before 9/11 thinks I'm dead."

I remember reading that postsecret and it gave me chills. I didn't know anything of this story until reading it today, but that would be a heck of a connection.

I listened to a podcast recently where an expert in disappearing said that there are probably close to a hundred or so people who "died" on 9/11 but are living elsewhere under new identities.

But she couldn't practice as a doctor correct? She could live a new life with the same name. With everything being online these days, I cannot imagine her not turning up somewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she just went missing...she could have died in the attacks. Not that interesting either way.

She was a doctor. She was married and staying out all night with women, going to gay bars. Her life is going off the rails, she lost a job and had alcohol trouble. She had a court hearing that day r/t allegations she made against another resident. She was acussed of lying about that. Then there is the post on postsecret that is rumoured to be her stating that "everyone who knew me before 9/11 thinks I'm dead."

I remember reading that postsecret and it gave me chills. I didn't know anything of this story until reading it today, but that would be a heck of a connection.

I listened to a podcast recently where an expert in disappearing said that there are probably close to a hundred or so people who "died" on 9/11 but are living elsewhere under new identities.

But she couldn't practice as a doctor correct? She could live a new life with the same name. With everything being online these days, I cannot imagine her not turning up somewhere.

She couldn't live a new life with the same name.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly don't understand the decision to take her off the list.

Reason for taking her off the list:
- She wasn't seen since 9/10. This can be somewhat disregarded due to the schedules she and her husband worked, and the fact that her social patterns indicated a history of her not returning home each night.

Reasons for putting her on the list:
- It seems she was in the lobby and left upon hearing a sound (those times on the cameras are never right, surely, she left when she heard commotion outside...the tower being hit or people screaming or a very low plane)
- She was a doctor, and many other doctors ran to help
- She lived 2 blocks from WTC and as a result could have been checking out the scene, walking past, or providing aid on the site when the tower(s) collapsed

Strange to remove her from the list just because she didn't come home. She could have been anywhere in NYC that night, or could have been with someone else and that someone could be afraid or embarrassed to say she was with them (drugs, they are married, in the closet, fear of being a suspect) and figure it's just best for them to keep quiet.

Really? there is absolutely zero evidence she was at the wtc, everything you listed is nothing more than idle speculation.

Agreed. Anything is possible, whether it be the most off the wall, or the most feasible. There is no absolute evidence she was anywhere at all, other than the last confirmed place: the store she was seen on camera and used the AMEX at. After that, anything is up for speculation.

I'm happy to agree to this.

However, I think the odds are higher that she died at the WTC rather than being murdered. The most obvious person, her husband, has a rock solid alibi.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like the doctor thing wasn't working out anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she just went missing...she could have died in the attacks. Not that interesting either way.

Boy is everyone disagreeing with you.
This thread has taken off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly don't understand the decision to take her off the list.

Reason for taking her off the list:
- She wasn't seen since 9/10. This can be somewhat disregarded due to the schedules she and her husband worked, and the fact that her social patterns indicated a history of her not returning home each night.

Reasons for putting her on the list:
- It seems she was in the lobby and left upon hearing a sound (those times on the cameras are never right, surely, she left when she heard commotion outside...the tower being hit or people screaming or a very low plane)
- She was a doctor, and many other doctors ran to help
- She lived 2 blocks from WTC and as a result could have been checking out the scene, walking past, or providing aid on the site when the tower(s) collapsed

Strange to remove her from the list just because she didn't come home. She could have been anywhere in NYC that night, or could have been with someone else and that someone could be afraid or embarrassed to say she was with them (drugs, they are married, in the closet, fear of being a suspect) and figure it's just best for them to keep quiet.

Really? there is absolutely zero evidence she was at the wtc, everything you listed is nothing more than idle speculation.

Agreed. Anything is possible, whether it be the most off the wall, or the most feasible. There is no absolute evidence she was anywhere at all, other than the last confirmed place: the store she was seen on camera and used the AMEX at. After that, anything is up for speculation.

I'm happy to agree to this.

However, I think the odds are higher that she died at the WTC rather than being murdered. The most obvious person, her husband, has a rock solid alibi.

But we will never know!

To me, sure, that makes sense. But where's he proof?

And sure, it's unlikely she wasn't murdered. But maybe she was. Is there proof she wasn't? And it didn't have to be the husband. Seems she lived a less than savory lifestyle.

Maybe she walked off into the sunset, sick and tired of everything. Perfect time. No proof she didn't do this either!

Anything is possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

That's a big assumption. I was recently involved in a CFSA investigation that involved a video and time stamp. The time stamp was incorrect, but it took a while for anyone to figure it out.