Latest high school student to be admitted to all 8 Ivies...

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously another sign of reverse discremination.

I am so sick of this type of comment everytime anything good happens to a black person. Most ivy league schools have only 5% balck students -- foreign or domestic. Do you really think none of them are qualified? They are not taking the place of your special white kid. Get over it. For these schools about 30 percent are legacies, white athletes in white sports like lacrosse and rowing, and worse "development cases" like Jared Kushner, i.e. mega rich kids whose parents are not alumni but pledge millions. Its a measure of how racist our society is that people feel free to say this young woman is not qualified, but nothing is said about huge number of "less qualified" white people admitted. It's sickening.

signed -- grandmother of black ivy student with high grades, 34 ACT, and amazing ECs that most white kids can't come near -- including international recognition.

And don't tell me that its becusae of affirmative action that people will think he's not qualified to be where he is... its not affirmative action, Its racism pure and simple.

I would point out that it isn't helpful to the conversation to talk about "white sports" and ECs that "white kids can't come near." If someone were to replace white with black I'm sure you would find these statements to be distasteful.

I am a believer in affirmative action because it's the best way to even the playing field but I don't think you understand what affirmative action is. Evening the playing field effectively means lowering standards for historically under-represented groups of applicants. Again, I think that's appropriate in light of the socioeconomic disadvantages many under-represented groups face. So of course the average admitted students from these groups will have lower credentials than the average student overall. That doesn't mean that your grandson necessarily benefited from affirmative action....he may very well have not.

When California adopted Prop 209 making admissions race blind, the number of admitted AA and latino students dropped by half. This obviously reduced the diversity of the student body and the Cal syste has made great strides on fixing that problem but that experience highlights what admissions would look like without affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is beginning to sound like a white supremacist site, and I'm a WASP. All the people slamming AA admissions would use any hook they had to get their kid into an Ivy and whites have a lot more hooks than people of color. Balancing the scales through affirmative action is totally justified.

+1. White families historically have had significantly more advantages over minority families that have given them a leg up in many realms, including educational opportunities. Note as just one example the current thread about a family friend getting their child off an elite college's waitlist. How many AA or Latino families do you know who can call on friends/associates for such favors? Not even close.

I have said this many time on here but White people hate the URM hook because it is the only[u] one they cannot take advantage off. The other ones are fine because Whites have traditionally benefited from them. It really is that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:18:35 i have no hooks. Furthermore my family settled and built this great country from the start. Distant relatives founded UMD and Georgetown. Yet my kids as outstanding as they are have less of a chance getting admitted than an illegal with a B- average. Is this a society you want to be a part of?

LOL! That's BS and you KNOW it!! No one with a B- average is getting into an Ivy (or any elite school for that matter).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of hidden envy in this thread

It is not so hidden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously another sign of reverse discremination.

I am so sick of this type of comment everytime anything good happens to a black person. Most ivy league schools have only 5% balck students -- foreign or domestic. Do you really think none of them are qualified? They are not taking the place of your special white kid. Get over it. For these schools about 30 percent are legacies, white athletes in white sports like lacrosse and rowing, and worse "development cases" like Jared Kushner, i.e. mega rich kids whose parents are not alumni but pledge millions. Its a measure of how racist our society is that people feel free to say this young woman is not qualified, but nothing is said about huge number of "less qualified" white people admitted. It's sickening.

signed -- grandmother of black ivy student with high grades, 34 ACT, and amazing ECs that most white kids can't come near -- including international recognition.

And don't tell me that its becusae of affirmative action that people will think he's not qualified to be where he is... its not affirmative action, Its racism pure and simple.

+1. It boils down to this. White people do not want to accept, that even with all the institutional advantages of being White, that a POC could actually be better than their kid or that an admissions person could believe that a POC brings more value to the campus.

[Anonymous]

ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously another sign of reverse discremination.

I am so sick of this type of comment everytime anything good happens to a black person. Most ivy league schools have only 5% balck students -- foreign or domestic. Do you really think none of them are qualified? They are not taking the place of your special white kid. Get over it. For these schools about 30 percent are legacies, white athletes in white sports like lacrosse and rowing, and worse "development cases" like Jared Kushner, i.e. mega rich kids whose parents are not alumni but pledge millions. Its a measure of how racist our society is that people feel free to say this young woman is not qualified, but nothing is said about huge number of "less qualified" white people admitted. It's sickening.

signed -- grandmother of black ivy student with high grades, 34 ACT, and amazing ECs that most white kids can't come near -- including international recognition.

And don't tell me that its becusae of affirmative action that people will think he's not qualified to be where he is... its not affirmative action, Its racism pure and simple.

I would point out that it isn't helpful to the conversation to talk about "white sports" and ECs that "white kids can't come near." If someone were to replace white with black I'm sure you would find these statements to be distasteful.

I am a believer in affirmative action because it's the best way to even the playing field but I don't think you understand what affirmative action is. Evening the playing field effectively means lowering standards for historically under-represented groups of applicants. Again, I think that's appropriate in light of the socioeconomic disadvantages many under-represented groups face. So of course the average admitted students from these groups will have lower credentials than the average student overall. That doesn't mean that your grandson necessarily benefited from affirmative action....he may very well have not.

When California adopted Prop 209 making admissions race blind, the number of admitted AA and latino students dropped by half. This obviously reduced the diversity of the student body and the Cal syste has made great strides on fixing that problem but that experience highlights what admissions would look like without affirmative action.

This is true, but a big part of the issue is that APPLICATIONS from AA and Latino kids also dropped by more than half. These kids, even the "qualified" ones, stopped applying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

That is good for your son, I am SURE that he will get great opportunities. You SHOULD be happy.

But also know that you could care less about my kid (that is the wrong use of the phrase BTW), but I certainly could not care less about yours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

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Anonymous wrote:Nigerians place a huge emphasis on education and on excelling, as some have previously noted. Nigerians also account for 25 percent of black students at Harvard Business School. They are consistently academic standouts. Not affirmative action.

Nigerians (and Cubans) are obsessed with exploiting American affirmative action policies that were not intended for them.

Jesus. I guess it's totally impossible that a young woman of color could, by herself, merit these admissions?

I can completely understand why this MoCo student wrote this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/opinion/sunday/finding-growth-at-my-historically-black-college.html

one of the biggest problems with those policies is that it casts a cloud on even the most deserving recipients. if there is an alternative explanation for her acceptances than, yes, people are going to wonder.

Ok...but why should ANY kid give a damn about how YOU or anyone else think they got there? Let them wonder. That is more your issue than it is hers. I tell my own kids and kids that mentor that it should not matter how you got there. If you show up, do the work and take advantage of the opportunities, then it is all good. But do not give one thought to other people speculating about why you got an opportunity.

Because a White kid could be dumb as a rock and get in because of legacy status. Not one of you would look at him and think twice about him belonging at that school. But a POC gets in and now everyone wants to second -guess and parse her accomplishments.

no, actually, it's more of her issue. not saying she should care, she probably shouldn't and can't do anything about it anyway, byt what people think about how one got where she is can have a real life consequences.

also, not true that people don't care about legacies. jared kushner was written about prominently and disparagingly because he bought his way into harvard. people still talk about it, and it's pretty much a kind of a stigma. i am sure he was bothered by it, certainly at college and maybe even today. he has a harvard degree yet it doesn't feel real though he (i assume) did all the coursework.

the point is the same - what people think about how one got to where they are can be consequential. ignoring that is not easy.

But the thing is that with respect to this young lady....YOU (not you...but you get my point) are making assumptions about her and assigning a stigma. She will NEVER be able to control what others irrationally think how about she got to a school, so it should not matter to her one bit. People "wondering" about how she got in is due to their own prejudices. She should use her energy being the best student she can be - not worrying about how to dispel an uninformed assumption. It is a game she cannot win. I am sure that she worked her butt off to get into these schools - these schools do not admit just anyone. So if I am her and I know how hard I worked, anyone who assumes otherwise can underestimate me to their peril. I am not that sensitive and neither are my DC's - one college grad, one in college and one going next year.

All this young lady can do is make the best of the opportunity. If she goes to one of the schools, makes the grades, has the right internships and aligns herself with the right people, then she has made the best of it.

As far as Jared, he may feel bad about it although I doubt it. Why should he? Because YOU think so? I am sure that is Rolodex and his bankbook make him feel better though.

Lol.....it isn't irrational at all to assume that an URM (apart from Asians) will have lower qualifications ON AVERAGE than the balance of the student body. Why? Because it's a fact. I wish this young woman nothing but the best and she may very well be an outlier and have gained admissions if the process was color blind but don't ignore hard data......it just makes your look ignorant.

Ok...but what is your point? SHE WAS ADMITTED TO THESE UNIVERSITIES!! Why should she or my own AA kids in college give a flying fcvk about data or what you assume. She is sitting next to your kid (or maybe not) in the same damn lecture halls. Assume what you want. LOL

As I have posted many times before, this is typical of the mind games that many Whites play with the young POC’s. You want them to feel bad about the opportunities they have. They end up questioning whether they deserve certain things or whether they belong certain places. Problem is that a lot of these young people don’t have adequate support to counteract these messages. Some of them come from places where they already feel less advantaged when they hit campus. Many of them are first generation college students so they do not have informed support at home. They end up feeling like they do not belong – too embarrassed to ask for help and use the resources that are available to them. When I talk to some of these youngsters that I know who had difficulty, they talk about not “fitting in.” Then you have POC parents like me who tell our kids to ignore that shit. If you ARE THERE, you belong there! Mold the experience to fit and benefit you! If someone wants to whine about how they think you got there, let them. My parents told me (and I tell my own kids) to be committed to my own success. Matters not how you start but how you finish. Be a finisher. If you get good grades or you prove your value to your employer, the people that matter could not care less how you got there – only that you ARE there.

+10,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

+1. Right...I call them "Stepford" applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Exactly! People must not know how admissions works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html