Ben Carson and the Pyramids

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone bothered that Carson thinks Joseph built the pyramids, when he came around 1000 years after the pharaohs and 300 years after Egypt had been conquered by the Greeks?

No, but that's enough Wikipedia for you tonight.

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The thread title is a band name whose time has come!

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone bothered that Carson thinks Joseph built the pyramids, when he came around 1000 years after the pharaohs and 300 years after Egypt had been conquered by the Greeks?

Different Joseph.

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Anonymous wrote:The thread title is a band name whose time has come!

LOL!!! I was actually cracking myself up last night thinking of a cartoon, with Carson as the head priest arguing with Pharaoh that he oughta store grain in that ginormous thing, and Pharaoh explaining to him that it's not hollow.
I wonder what Pharaoh would do if he had to explain things twice.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than further proof that he's clearly been suffering from dementia for some time now, why does this matter?

I would think that further proof that he is clearly suffering from dementia would be quite enough for it to matter. But, I am sure that some of his supporters will disagree with your diagnoses. Assuming Carson is not suffering from any cognitive disorders, this sheds light on his supposed intellect and his ability to process information.

Given your brilliance, why haven't you accomplished even one tenth of what Ben Carson has done? Instead you sit around blogging stupid shit all day to bash anyone that doesn't think or believe exactly as you do.

Are you defending Carson's theories about the pyramids? Do you also believe they were used to store grain? This is not about me, but if I were running for President, I would certainly not expect to get a pass for all the stupid things that I've said. Do you believe that anything stupid that Carson says should be ignored?

Not defending or refuting. I really do t care what Carson, you or anyone thinks of the ancient Egyptians. I'm simply amused that someone e who has accomplished little in comparison would be so zealous to discredit his intellect.

Carson just rode the coattails of a lot of eminent surgeons at JH who, unlike him, weren't crazy egomaniacs who thought of themselves as God's gift to humanity and were happy to let him have the spotlight. He is a case of affirmative action gone very wrong.

Please share specifically whose coattails he rode. I worked at Hopkins in the PICU and cared for many of his patients over several years and I would be fascinated to hear you back this up.

Here you go.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/johns_hopkins_medicine_community_mourns_the_death_of_internationally_renowned_pediatric_neurologist_john_m_freeman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Freeman

Note specifically hemispherectomies, that Freeman revived, but that Carson says Freeman "helped work out."

And now CNN has come out with a report suggesting that Carson is a compulsive liar who fabricated his story of redemption from a violent youth. The National Review has called him a "bald-faced liar" for his statements regarding his association with Mannatech. He plagiarized portions of a book in which he even admits to college plagiarism. Perhaps it's time to ask what he's truthful about?

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/07/conservative_hero_ben_carson_hit_with_plagiarism_scandal/

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426270/what-ben-carsons-mannatech-answer-tells-us-jim-geraghty

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/05/ben_carson_just_cant_quit_lying_cnn_tries_to_fact_check_his_autobiography_comes_up_empty/

You do realize that neurologists do not perform surgery, right?
You realize that as laudable as Dr. Freeman was, he never cut on anyone, he never performed ANY neurosurgery, let alone a hemispherectomy. He would refer them to a neurosurgeon who would perform the procedure. Neurosurgeons do not manage epilepsy, however they work closely with neurologists who manage the patient over the lifetime. Yes, Freeman revived the procedure for intractable seizures but he did not, could not, perform the surgery. That was Carson and later Dr. Gallo. Freeman and Gallo were a team and each managed the patient within their specialty.

That's not the point. The point is that Freeman revived it, and handed it off to a neurosurgeon, who in this case happened to be Carson. Yet Carson refers to him as if he gave a peripheral consult.

OK... I'm going to speak S L O W L Y so you understand.
Freeman revived the procedure from a theoretical sense. He did not perform the procedure. He could not hand it off because he never performed it in the first place. Freeman thought it was worth a shot, he studied what others had done and had some thoughts on how to refine the procedure from what was done in the past. Carson was the one willing to take the risk and perform the surgery. They worked closely together to plan the case, Carson executed it - flawlessly. Carson never indicated Freeman was on the periphery, you chose to read that into it because its what you believe.

Uhuh. Einstein also came up with relativity in a theoretical sense. I suppose that's why it's called "Einstein's theory of relativity", not "whatshisname who found experimental evidence for it's theory." We know Carson has deft fingers--good at videogames and all. No one denies that.

By your logic neither should receive credit. The first hemispherectomy was performed by a German doctor on a dog in the late 1800's. Prior to Carson, the procedure was plagued with poor surgical outcomes, primarily mortality and complications caused by hydrocephalus. You do realize this is not a common surgery right? Over a twenty year period of time I think it was just under 50 or 60 patients that qualified.

Red herring. That's like saying that surgeons in the 19th century all sucked when in fact they didn't have the benefit of sterilization techniques or anesthesia or 80 years of improvement in techniques that were introduced by many many gifted doctors.
Freeman is the visionary who brought it back. He could have handed that to any good neurosurgeon with the techniques of the day and gotten similar results. No one denies that Carson has "gifted fingers" and is good at following instructions. His supposed intellect, though, appears to amply fit on the head of a pin. Maybe the SNAP payments to his mother were insufficiently large to guarantee he got adequate nutrition as a child.
It's sad because many like me actually looked up to the guy before he began his campaign and people started digging a bit. Way to ruin a reputation.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone bothered that Carson thinks Joseph built the pyramids, when he came around 1000 years after the pharaohs and 300 years after Egypt had been conquered by the Greeks?

It's that warped notion that one's half baked uninformed opinions are just as good and equally as valid as the hard scientific facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgive me if this should be a new thread, but I have a question about Carson. He clearly has no knowledge about the federal government and how it works (e.g. the disastrous Marketplace interview about the debt ceiling) and he doesn't seem to have any knowledge about international affairs, foreign leaders, etc. If he wants to be president, what on earth has he done to prepare himself for the job?

I agree, he needs to go out and be a community organizer for a while.
He was on faculty at Hopkins so he's got that piece covered.

So if you agree with someone, his problems are A-OK?

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Will his defense budget include funding for a series of wooden Arks?

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously? Pyramids? That's the angle you're going with? The man's view on the pyramids? Sanders thinks socialism works, and you're fine with that, so you're debating Egyptian Architecture?

There have been many natural experiments with Sanders' "socialist" policy proposals that provide evidence of their effectiveness and viability. He's not pulling this sh!t out of his azz. Carson, however, seems to turn to his backside for a few too many of his ass-ertions.

Carson came up with this by himself, but based on Genesis, which tells of Joseph stored grain in Egypt enough for seven years. Now, some folks believe a guy was nailed on a cross, died, then rose from the dead. Seriously, they do. Better yet, some crazies think a lamp burned for 8 days. Clearly these nutcases are unqualified for office.

It's a little different. Many religions believe that, from time to time, God intervenes in the world to do something miraculous and otherwise impossible. A debatable point, to be sure, but it is one most people are willing to give others a pass on even if they disagree, as the debate on the existence of God fairly remains open in the minds of many. Not everyone agrees, of course, but most people seem to think that one can hold religious views without being crazy or stupid.

The Joseph thing seems to me metaphysically different, as a flatly made up and erroneous account of reasonably well settled historic fact. In some ways it seems less rational than just straight-up believing ancient aliens built the pyramids. A subjective impression, of course, so your mileage may vary.

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Here's a question: Would the Egyptians consider Carson's remark racist?

Just had to ask. This is DCUM, after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone bothered that Carson thinks Joseph built the pyramids, when he came around 1000 years after the pharaohs and 300 years after Egypt had been conquered by the Greeks?

Different Joseph.

Oh, so he's talking about Joseph of Genesis. Which translation of the Bible refers to pyramids? I thought it just says he stored the grain in the cities. The pyramids are not in the cities.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone bothered that Carson thinks Joseph built the pyramids, when he came around 1000 years after the pharaohs and 300 years after Egypt had been conquered by the Greeks?

Different Joseph.

Oh, so he's talking about Joseph of Genesis. Which translation of the Bible refers to pyramids? I thought it just says he stored the grain in the cities. The pyramids are not in the cities.

The Joseph of Genesis is the Prophet Yusuf in the Qur'an:
http://www.islam101.com/history/people/prophets/joseph.htm

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a question: Would the Egyptians consider Carson's remark racist?

Just had to ask. This is DCUM, after all.

No, but I think he's found the best way to lose the precious Egyptian-American demographic FOREVER!

-Egyptian American

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously? Pyramids? That's the angle you're going with? The man's view on the pyramids? Sanders thinks socialism works, and you're fine with that, so you're debating Egyptian Architecture?

There have been many natural experiments with Sanders' "socialist" policy proposals that provide evidence of their effectiveness and viability. He's not pulling this sh!t out of his azz. Carson, however, seems to turn to his backside for a few too many of his ass-ertions.

Carson came up with this by himself, but based on Genesis, which tells of Joseph stored grain in Egypt enough for seven years. Now, some folks believe a guy was nailed on a cross, died, then rose from the dead. Seriously, they do. Better yet, some crazies think a lamp burned for 8 days. Clearly these nutcases are unqualified for office.

It's a little different. Many religions believe that, from time to time, God intervenes in the world to do something miraculous and otherwise impossible. A debatable point, to be sure, but it is one most people are willing to give others a pass on even if they disagree, as the debate on the existence of God fairly remains open in the minds of many. Not everyone agrees, of course, but most people seem to think that one can hold religious views without being crazy or stupid.

The Joseph thing seems to me metaphysically different, as a flatly made up and erroneous account of reasonably well settled historic fact. In some ways it seems less rational than just straight-up believing ancient aliens built the pyramids. A subjective impression, of course, so your mileage may vary.

Carson did not come up with this by himself. An SDA pretend-archaeologist named Wyatt for some reason devoted a lot of time trying to claim that the Joseph in Genesis is in fact Imhotep of Egypt, but he did not claim that all of the pyramids were grain silos:
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/joseph.htm

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Is anyone bothered that Carson thinks Joseph built the pyramids, when he came around 1000 years after the pharaohs and 300 years after Egypt had been conquered by the Greeks?

Obviously this Joseph of character is/was a liberal and was part of a plot put in place many years ago to get Carson. I bet this Joseph guy was your typical long haired, rob wearing, hippie.