Secular family values rock!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

Does it have to be religious rules? How about societal rules, like do not kill, do not cheat, do not dump your garbage in the street, do not go 60 in a 30 mph zone?

How about the secular rules under Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao? Because that worked so well.

They were't secular rules -- they were totalitarian rules. The US has secular rules, which overall, have worked out much better than religious or totalitarian rules

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

Does it have to be religious rules? How about societal rules, like do not kill, do not cheat, do not dump your garbage in the street, do not go 60 in a 30 mph zone?

How about the secular rules under Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao? Because that worked so well.

They were't secular rules -- they were totalitarian rules. The US has secular rules, which overall, have worked out much better than religious or totalitarian rules

Yikes. Totalitarianism is compatible with both secular (communist Russia) and religious (Iran, ISIS) regimes.

It's perfectly possible to be both secular AND totalitarian rules.

Unless you can point us to religious bases for Pol Pot, Stalin and company.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

I call bullshit.

If you're that self-aware, you have empathy.

[Anonymous]

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Take a deep breath. Go do something that's meaningful to your own life, that improves your own life and the lives of your family members.

Ditch your pointless bickering with people of faith, ditch your unconvincing and repetitive rants, ditch your snideness (get it?). You're not convincing anybody here; they've heard your arguments a million times before. (Often from you, and see how effective that was?)

More germane to this thread, nothing about your behavior here makes the atheist struggle-bus look particularly attractive. No matter how many newspaper articles about secular families you post.

You don't want to be just like the anti-public school losers on the private school forum, or the anti-Islam bigots on the political forum, do you? Because from here, you look exactly like those losers.

I haven't posted any articles on secular families. You must think there's one atheist floating around these threads. You're probably outnumbered.

And I'm a loser? lol That doesn't surprise me that a Christian - who follows God's rules - would lower him/herself by name calling. So be it. I'm a loser b/c I think the bible is filled with fairy tales.

I know how much I do each day to help others. Every day I accomplish something meaningful. But I don't do it to earn my spot in heaven. I do it b/c it's important.

You're too predictable. You need new material!
- I'm not Christian.
- Your gotcha games are very predictable. For example, your game of insulting people and then when they insult you back, even mildly, you call them a hypocrite.

Get a life....

I need to "get a life?" lol

A religious person who can't make a move w/o first consulting some fairy tale is telling ME I need a life?

love the irony

Who am I insulting? I wasn't name calling. I simply pointed out truths. Show me evidence that proves God is real? or Jesus for that matter?

Come on. You can't give me more than that? Call upon your God to make your smarter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

I call bullshit.

If you're that self-aware, you have empathy.

Please don't tell me how I do and do not think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

Does it have to be religious rules? How about societal rules, like do not kill, do not cheat, do not dump your garbage in the street, do not go 60 in a 30 mph zone?

How about the secular rules under Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao? Because that worked so well.

How about religious rules that make women second class citizens? How about religious rules that ban a woman's right to choose? just to name two . . . for now

[Anonymous]

Troll playbook play #41: when you're caught in an embarrassing blooper (totalitarianism), immediately pile on distractions by pulling up 3-4 old posts from a page or two ago.

Seen it a million times. SMH

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

I call bullshit.

If you're that self-aware, you have empathy.

Please don't tell me how I do and do not think.

You got angry here, buddy.

That tells me you feel. If you feel, you have the ability to be empathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Troll playbook play #41: when you're caught in an embarrassing blooper (totalitarianism), immediately pile on distractions by pulling up 3-4 old posts from a page or two ago.

Seen it a million times. SMH

troll playbook play #41.5, pull out troll playbook ploy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

I call bullshit.

If you're that self-aware, you have empathy.

Please don't tell me how I do and do not think.

You got angry here, buddy.

That tells me you feel. If you feel, you have the ability to be empathetic.

And to feel the loving presence of God -- or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

Does it have to be religious rules? How about societal rules, like do not kill, do not cheat, do not dump your garbage in the street, do not go 60 in a 30 mph zone?

How about the secular rules under Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao? Because that worked so well.

They were't secular rules -- they were totalitarian rules. The US has secular rules, which overall, have worked out much better than religious or totalitarian rules

it is the totalitarian rules, in a secular or religious state, that cause the problems. England has a state church - the Church of England - but other religions are allowed exist.


Yikes. Totalitarianism is compatible with both secular (communist Russia) and religious (Iran, ISIS) regimes.

It's perfectly possible to be both secular AND totalitarian rules.

Unless you can point us to religious bases for Pol Pot, Stalin and company.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

Does it have to be religious rules? How about societal rules, like do not kill, do not cheat, do not dump your garbage in the street, do not go 60 in a 30 mph zone?

How about the secular rules under Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao? Because that worked so well.

They were't secular rules -- they were totalitarian rules. The US has secular rules, which overall, have worked out much better than religious or totalitarian rules

Yikes. Totalitarianism is compatible with both secular (communist Russia) and religious (Iran, ISIS) regimes.

It's perfectly possible to be both secular AND totalitarian rules.

Unless you can point us to religious bases for Pol Pot, Stalin and company.

it is the totalitarian rules, in a secular or religious state, that cause the problems. England has a state church - the Church of England - but other religions are allowed exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

I call bullshit.

If you're that self-aware, you have empathy.

Please don't tell me how I do and do not think.

You got angry here, buddy.

That tells me you feel. If you feel, you have the ability to be empathetic.

Who said I was angry? I merely told you that you can't tell me what's going on in my mind.

Besides, there's more to Christianity than empathy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

I call bullshit.

If you're that self-aware, you have empathy.

Please don't tell me how I do and do not think.

You got angry here, buddy.

That tells me you feel. If you feel, you have the ability to be empathetic.

Different poster here. You have SUCH a need to think you're getting under peoples' skin. I've seen this from you before. Why are you so very desperate for validation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules".

I call bullshit.

If you're that self-aware, you have empathy.

Please don't tell me how I do and do not think.

You got angry here, buddy.

That tells me you feel. If you feel, you have the ability to be empathetic.

Different poster here. You have SUCH a need to think you're getting under peoples' skin. I've seen this from you before. Why are you so very desperate for validation?

Because on-line is the only place validation is so easily available