Why is there such a racial/ethnic disconnect with TJ Admissions?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What do you get with a GED? The equivalent of a high school diploma. Why bother?


I know some students that have done just that and they attend now Mary Baldwin.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What do you get with a GED? The equivalent of a high school diploma. Why bother?


I know some students that have done just that and they attend now Mary Baldwin.


PP here -- more on Mary Baldwin's Early College program.

http://www.mbc.edu/early_college/

The Program for the Exceptionally Gifted is for students 13–15 years of age who will bypass all or some high school grades.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:To OP,
If you go to kindergarten class with kids from different race and ask every kid in class to count to 100, you will find, proportion wise, more Asian kids can finish the task.
If you go to a market in China or Korea, you will find that old lady, looks totally uneducated, can rapidly add or subtract how much you need to pay and how much change you will get back from her. You may need a calculator to do it.
Not all Asian kids are attending TJ. There are many Asian kids struggling in school.
There is a bell curve for every group of people. It just happens that more Asian cares about attending TJ.


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Anonymous wrote:Part of it is almost certainly cultural. I want my smart, high a heaving 6th grader to do well. But, as a third generation Jewish American, I know that there is plenty of time to excel. She can go to a great school from our base HS. And, if you are going to science, guess what? Where you go to college does not matter...grad school matters.

I do not want my dd commuting 1 hr each way, having 4-6 hrs of hw per night.

By comparison, high achieving people in India or Korea have success defined by admittance to the right hs...rejected for the top hs, and your chance at a high achieving life is much lower.



"It really is a mindset and in saying this it is not intended as a value judgement.

My son went to TJ. It was a long trek for him and on top of this the rigorous academic requirements at TJ had him working some long hours especially in his junior year.

He went on to medical school and is currently doing his residency at one of the most prestigious programs in the country and will be done soon.

He says that TJ was the best thing that happened to him. He literally breezed through his undergrad. He said it was a lot easier than TJ from an academic standpoint in terms of the pressure .... and he completed his undergrad in three years!

Given where he is today, ask him whether he has any regrets about the long commute and the academic demands that TJ made on him and he would give an unqualified response that TJ was a huge help to him in getting where he is today. Could he have done it in a different academic environment? More than likely he could have. But that does not take anything away from the role TJ played in getting him to where he is today.

None of the above is meant as a brag ..... after all, I am posting anonymously. It is merely intended as a perspective on how some parents and their children view the downsides (commuting, new friends, academic pressures) of going to TJ."


If he is doing residency now that means he was class of 2006 or 2007. TJ seems much different in 2014.


In what ways does TJ in 2014 seem "much different" than TJ in 2006 or 2007 to you?
Anonymous
Pp probably means too many Asians are at TJ now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Pp probably means too many Asians are at TJ now.


I would imagine there are Asian students at TJ today who will end up in med school residencies some day.

My question for the PP would be whether her son, the resident, has any plans to come back to this area and serve people in local communities. I would feel better about how TJ has dictated so much of the planning in FCPS in recent years if the benefits were inuring in some manner to local residents, as opposed to simply benefiting a small number of students at the actual or potential expense of others. There are many affluent parts of the country with well-educated parents and bright students where a special magnet is not considered necessary.
Anonymous
There are many TJ graduates working in the DC area as engineers, computer scientists, physicians and patent attorneys.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:There are summer camps, classes, test prep, etc., for kids as young as 5 to be prepped for the NNAT.

Do an internet search for Study Concepts Inc. in Chantilly as one example.


I would eliminate TJ and reduce one major incentive for such nonsense.


TJ is not responsible for all the evil. AAP is responsible for any NNAT prep, WISC prep etc. Actually, most AAP posters will make it clear they are not interested in TJ and will actually discourage their kids from applying to TJ so you can stop blaming TJ for NNAT prep.

On that note, it is hypocritical that prepping/appealing/gaming for AAP is ok while prepping for TJ is treated as a sin.
Anonymous
Of course TJ is the cause!

To get into TJ, it is best to get into an AAP center.

To get into an AAP center, it is best to score high on NNAT and CogAT.

Eliminate TJ and reduce the incentive to get into AAP.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Of course TJ is the cause!

To get into TJ, it is best to get into an AAP center.

To get into an AAP center, it is best to score high on NNAT and CogAT.

Eliminate TJ and reduce the incentive to get into AAP.


Most AAP parents go out of their way to make it clear they do not want TJ so according to them, TJ has absolutely nothing to do with being in the AAP. Your argument is like saying let's get rid of all the top colleges such as HYPSM so that we get rid of all incentives to get into magnet high schools. Does that make sense?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course TJ is the cause!

To get into TJ, it is best to get into an AAP center.

To get into an AAP center, it is best to score high on NNAT and CogAT.

Eliminate TJ and reduce the incentive to get into AAP.


Most AAP parents go out of their way to make it clear they do not want TJ so according to them, TJ has absolutely nothing to do with being in the AAP. Your argument is like saying let's get rid of all the top colleges such as HYPSM so that we get rid of all incentives to get into magnet high schools. Does that make sense?


Where have you seen those survey results?

I registered my DD for Kindergarten in April, and there was another parent with her child for registration, and the parent specifically asked the principal about advanced work to help her child get to TJ.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course TJ is the cause!

To get into TJ, it is best to get into an AAP center.

To get into an AAP center, it is best to score high on NNAT and CogAT.

Eliminate TJ and reduce the incentive to get into AAP.


Most AAP parents go out of their way to make it clear they do not want TJ so according to them, TJ has absolutely nothing to do with being in the AAP. Your argument is like saying let's get rid of all the top colleges such as HYPSM so that we get rid of all incentives to get into magnet high schools. Does that make sense?


Where have you seen those survey results?

I registered my DD for Kindergarten in April, and there was another parent with her child for registration, and the parent specifically asked the principal about advanced work to help her child get to TJ.



This is what AAP parents claim in various threads:

"Frankly, I do not know what my DD will be interested in when she hits HS, and I do not want her going to TJ."

"TJ is a great school, but it does not matter after finishing HS"

"For my DD, who is in 4th grader AAP, I think our base school (Madison) is probably fine."

"I would argue HB Woodlawn does a better job preparing students for the way college curriculums work than does TJ."

"it will significantly increase her commute...She would walk to Madison vs. a long ride to TJ."

"I would think that AAP is more important for a kid than going to TJ."

"Who wants a ticket to TJ? Some parents may want this but many do not. I would never send my kid there."

"If you were, you'd know that most parents are NOT looking at TJ."

"In our sixth grade AAP class of around 80 kids, only five of them have any interest in applying for TJ."

"I attended a magnet high school --- I personally would not want that for my children. On the other hand, DH attended a normal average high school and was in all honors/AP classes. His high school experience seems much more well rounded."

"Or they're just not interested in attending TJ. Shocking, I know, but true."

"There are a lot of bright kids who don't find TJ very appealing, for a host of valid reasons."

"My boys are very smart (test ahead, etc), but I want a normal HS experience for them. I grew up in this area and TJ is a pressure cooker and not 'fun'. I want kids to be with neighborhood friends and have some fun along the way in HS."

"Well-rounded is a more important life skill."

"My friend's daughter was not even remotely interested in TJ."


Anonymous
16 random comments. You do know there were about 3,000 applications to get in this year?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:16 random comments. You do know there were about 3,000 applications to get in this year?


The number of applications to TJ has been declining.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:16 random comments. You do know there were about 3,000 applications to get in this year?


Hardly a "survey."
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